"all while retaining the core vision of this Killer. "

I'm sorry, but I always feel this kind of "GITGUD" argument is super pointless. If only for the fact that it goes both ways... a killer main could also say that survivors want it easy instead of playing the game better. I do think (as everybody else) legion needs adjustments, but I do think the several nerfs were a little too much. I mean.. it's a full stack of nerfs! But again, I'm also curious to see how these changes are actually gonna play in the PTB. Maybe the increased base speed will be enough? dont think so but let's see.

I like the idea of split pressure. However, I am concerned regarding the Legion's ability to "follow up and get a down". 115% movement speed doesn't sound enough. Most of the other killers have a M2 ability that either gives them a instant down or helps them in following up (exception would be freddy). So is Legion's ability to split pressure strong enough to warrant him having no ability to help him with following up?

@DocOctober

And here's why this argument doesn't work except your fairy tale scenario.

You can throw mathematics and physics at them, but you haven't ACTUALLY SEEN the difference in ground covered in game. The Devs have. Them saying it covers more ground, and you saying "my high school math shows me thats wrong" doesn't change the fact that they know what changes have been made and how much they actually affect Legion.

"Legion longer to cover the same distance in Feral Frenzy as it did before, thanks to the significantly lowered speed"

Significantly. Because 10-15% is significant? Espacially when these numbers are already upwards of 130%? That's rather insignificant.

Same distance? Pretty sure that when the Devs test it, and sasy they can cover more ground, they actually mean that. I mean, they ARE the only ones who see how it actually plays right now.

Unless you've done some out of the box testing for them?

@DocOctober Youre using 100% and 115% to compare what, 125% and 135%? That is NOT as significant of a change, because it's ALREADY a higher value of the original 100%. it isnt a 15% drop. It's 15% LESS of a bonus that is added to it.

Try again.

Also, I WAS done, on the old posts? You keep up with stupid ######### towards Devs that actually know what is going on and I'll keep refuting your BS math.

@Ihatelife The only thing getting boring is watching people moonwalk and now get salty they cant rely on it.

Sure, we can stop. Just stop trying to say Legion is getting nerfed? Legion is fine, maybe even better now.

I'm not gonna put "end" because unlike you, I understand what a discussion on a forum is. A discussion, not some kid trying to have the last word when they have no evidence to backup the wild claims they hold onto like a lost child in the dark.

Also, "their needs a buff"? Their what needs a buff? Or They need a buff? If you're going to try and argue online, and end one at that, at least do it with proper grammar hon.

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To be fair the core vison was to be able to spread out hits on multiple survivors using the power but not downing them with it, it's why they could vault windows and pallets, see heartbeat and hut multiple people overall slowing the game down.

The change can do this if legion can go a lot further than before using their power so in essence it is keeping the core vision.

With that being said legion being able to spread out hits was down to survivors not themselves as they could just spread out, that's one of the big problems.

While the legion wasn't fun to verse they were also a killer who's power simply did not work in the game as the most effective way to utilise it was to cheese chases going against what the core vision was.

This is not a problem on the player but the overall design, quite frankly legion was a mistake and it showed the design had a complete lack of knowledge of the games players and how some wish to play as a killer.

If someone just want to kill they will find the most efficient way and not worry that the devs want them to spread the damage around and hook multiple times.

@Peanits Would you mind if I asked what the actual pressure of Deep Wounds will be now? If the timer pauses while healing, and pauses in the TR, then can't a survivor just go somewhere completely safe, and then heal? And then if the killer finds them, they'll already be in the TR, so they can stop healing and simply retain the time that they had when they began healing? Since the heal is already pretty short, what incentive would survivors have to actually treat it like a threat instead of just a short break from gens? Is the only intention on this power to now get survivors off gens for 10 seconds, unless they get chased, in which case the timer won't run down at all, and they're completely safe to heal if they escape the killer?

I understand that people keep asking these questions, but I simply haven't seen an actual answer to this so far. I've seen assurances that it'll be better in the PTB, but nobody has been able to actually say why that is yet.