New Legion is top tier
BHVR please don't give in to the crying on reddit, and these very forums about the new Legion changes. These actually deal with the problems that made Legion a chore to deal with, and improve his play style beyond belief.
Only changes I'd make is M1 not draining power build, maybe a small reduction on the black out effect from the stun, and pallets shouldn't absolutely drain the entirety of FF. Other than those few changes I think the new Legion is spot on.
Actually did a pretty good job so far.
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*grabs popcorn
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*grabs soda and popcorn*
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*Le surprise* I’m maining legion once the changes go live.
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*Grabs donut flavored popcorn with dr.pepper cream cheese dip*
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Hey buddy. May I have some popcorn? I'm broke
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@LCGaster Yes, I share now :)
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Thats some nice bait ya got there.
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The new Legion is amazing unless you play him like the current live version of legion. If you spammed FF hits, and tunneled one survivor then you're going to have a bad time. If you actually play Legion how it's intended you are going to slay. I've been getting consistent 4Ks on PTB all day, and the changes feel absolutely amazing. The map pressure is very real my friends....
Not remotely baiting.
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@LCGaster You're mean! >_<
*takes back popcorn*
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So is it any good? can you give more details?
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EDIT - Accidental double post
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Well where to start...
Tracking is vastly improved even without bloodstains during FF because of the increased terror radius. You can actually mind game pallets due to the speed increase fom 110-115%. Deep wounds isn't worthless even though it was a common thought to think that it would be due to the changes. People NEED to heal it, or they'll go down. It does what it's intended to do, which is to slow the game down and apply a bit of pressure. You get a free first hit from it as well which is huge. Even though FF speed has been slightly slowed down, the longer duration actually helps you chain hits from survivor to survivor fairly easily even if they are a decent distance away from each other. It also helps to cover ground in order to apply map pressure to the survivors.
If you really want to play the FF spam hit play style there is still Franks Mixtape, but it isn't as efficient as it is on live. Which quite honestly is the way it should be if you're going to get a guaranteed down.
The only adjustments I'd like to see is M1 not draining as much FF charge. Maybe a slight reduction to the black out effect from FF stun, and not draining full FF charge if you eat a pallet stun.
Overall however the Legion changes go a very long way to making them both a more effective, and less frustrating killer to face.
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Dang, people to quick to judge. Just wish they kept Pig's ability to kill survivors during End Game Collapse. So, let's eat (Not Pineapple) Pizza!
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I just played as him and it's very smooth and the flow is easy to use since that's how i played him when he 1st came out. What I just used was Stolen SketchBook and Cold Dirt and the bonuses are disgustingly good.
I tried out some of what i saw across different streams where people were generally doing well. Surveillance is really good, BBQ for the points and the occasional aura reading, Spirit Fury (totally unexpected on him), Sloppy.
With the changes there's a whole bunch of new ways to play him/her and some interesting new perk combos judging by what I've seen so far from watching both sides play.
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Another who has actually seen the light. It's absolutely refreshing, and I'll be really disappointed if BHVR caves to any of the actually tear shedding.
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Our microwave died yesterday =( we can't make popcorn or burritos.
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Buy some popcorn kernels and use your stove.
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I like most of the changes and agree with your list of changes you'd like, though I'd add to that that the pallet vaults are too slow (and laggy? I think) and having to wait for a full bar for FF could be changed (half seems fair to me).
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@TreemanXD I hope you have popcorn for me. :I
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*Hits invisible Lol button"
*The nurse float away..*
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@fluffybunny *gives a bowl of donut flavored popcorn*
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This is why stuff doesn't get fixed in this game, because of troll posts like this...
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@fluffybunny The pallet timing does feel weird now, but I'm not sure if it's a bad change or if the animation just needs a bit of tweaking now that it's slower. I'd be alright with them keeping it if they adjust the animation, but I certainly wouldn't mind them bringing back the old speed.
@Mellow7 Instead of just crying foul, and accusing me of trolling why don't you actually constructively comment on my points and tell me why I'm wrong? As it is, it looks like you are a troll more-so than myself friend.
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@Mellow7 I don't think they're trolling. They gave their own perspective and even gave some feedback for change. When I played Legion, it felt really nice and smooth, too. Of course there are things I hope to be addressed before it goes live, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate what I see as some positive changes (movement speed, increased FF time).
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Devs: *Increase Legion's movement speed, implementing numerous nerfs and useless changes in the same time*
Desperate Legion Mains: OH my god they are top tier right now!!!
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Undervaluing faster walk speed, and longer power duration. Obviously it's not Nurse/Billy tier, but they are high to mid tier now which is better than they are on live.
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Once again instead of constructively commenting on my points, and explaining why I'm wrong, you just insert "le epic maymay". Big yikes friend.
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Well done sir, this is the GOLDEN BAIT that i was looking for, i'll buy it!
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All these epic this is a troll post comments are really adding to the discussion well done! I guess I expected a bit too much from this forum thinking there'd be an actual discussion instead of just "ThIS iS a TROll PoST!" pepega responses.
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He just voiced his opinion! All y’all saying he is trolling are very immature.
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You came to the forums with a ILLOGICAL post, what did you expect?
Anyways i dont even know why im replying a BAIT poster.
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Imagine thinking a post is ILLOGICAL because it doesn't coincidence with your opinion on something. Listen friend, I think you need to learn what illogical means, I've given a fully detailed response post as to why I feel the way I do. Why not just refute the points with evidence of your own, or do you not have any?
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Would you imagine that a post that doesn't conform to your echo chamber beliefs is considered illogical. So far pretty much every game I've watched played from both sides perspective the Legion is doing extremely well.
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Thats what survivors want you to think, its part of a greater plan, some day you will understand...At least i hope so...
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Honestly I'd say that if they can fix the speed of Feral Frenzy (both movement and vaults), they'll be both a mid-tier killer and a fun one.
In their current state they're lower-mid and feel super clunky IMO, not what I'm looking for when I'm playing a killer who's whole gimmick is Fast-paced High-octane gameplay...
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Really? I only seen post saying Legion is hit or miss depending on who you ask. I am in the miss categorie, partially because frenzys vault speed is slow but can be tweaked. But mostly because i feel much slower with frenzy active.
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@Alther_Primus They're low middle right now imo and would be set with a few fixes. The FF vaults need to be increase (even just a bit), a pallet stun and M1 swing shouldn't reduce your FF, along with some other things. I wouldn't say he's low tier, though. He's feeling pretty good and I'm hopeful he'll get some adjustments before he goes live.
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I think everyone who says he’s worse than freddy are just still playing him like before, or similar to Before
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@fluffybunny That's what I said, they're lower-mid tier, they just feel clunky which isn't the most fun feeling. IMO if they revert the speed changes (slowing down the Frenzy movespeed and Frenzy vaults), and remove losing your power to a stun or M1 while your power's not even active, and they'd be a firm mid-tier.
I wouldn't mind if they tweaked the stun a bit as well, if I want to be blind for half the match I can always just go play Nurse instead.
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@Alther_Primus Oh, sorry. I thought you were saying Legion was high low tier. I think the normal frenzy is fine with the increased duration, though a little faster certainly wouldn't hurt I think. The vaults are really clunky, though. I agree.
LOL, right? I don't like playing nurse. ;w;
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The power draining from hits, and pallet stuns definitely needs adjusted, or to go completely. The stun black out also could use a bit of a reduction if not completely removed. I don't really see why it needs to exist at all when the normal stun is usually enough to disorient most middle tier skilled players. I wasn't having a problem on the PTB keeping track of people, but I can see it being an issue for less experienced players.
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TOP TIER sorry but no and no. Legion get pallet stunned get his gauge depleted , hitting survivor with m1 get 50% gauge depleted , his recharge time to replenish it fully take 20sec + do not forget that their powers can only be used with full gauge.
only that push him as m1 killer and in low tier almost worst than freddy even if i think freddy is better. at least freddy power regress gen just saying.
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Top tier might have been a little bit far, but he's certainly mid to high-mid. He's no where near Freddy, and if you think they are on the same level or is below than you are out of your mind friend.
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Personally I think he might be more towards low tier. If he was mid tier, i think he just be either low end of mid tier. Or smack down in the middle. Maybe higher within mid-tier if the speed changes were reverted.
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Spirits had this to deal with for quite some time, you get pallet stunned you lose your power bar. So either you run spirit Fury to eat that up or you play smarter and bait the slam or use Frenzy smarter beforehand.
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play against pro you'll see by yourself it's easy to say legion is great against potatoes. however frenzy duration , being more skill based , add-ons rework are great. stun duration , pallet and m1 penalty is not , full gauge to use a non-lethal power (except frank mix tape) is a non sense.
Look at the spirit she got the same gauge but a far superior power (lethal too). as for fatigue nurse have faster fatigue recovering. it take 1,25s to 4s to recover depending on how many blink you have and if you have pocket watch equipped. Legion take 4 sec by DEFAUT to recover on a NON-lethal power.
Think about it.
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New Legion is as bad as I thought it would be.
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I like what the devs trying to do with Legion but top tier is a bit of a stretch. I still think he's #########, just not cancerous #########.
Legion could do with some buffs and I agree with some of your suggestions. He actually feels like a hit and run killer now.
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I'm playing in red ranks. It's not that bad, and just a few things need to be tweaked, and I think we'll be in an overall decent spot.
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