time to buff the plague finally?
the data sheets have finally shown it - the plague is one of the worst killers. not like the community didnt know it but now its offical. so, can we remove the stupid insta heal now? its just too much. being injured should also mean something, like a repair debuff. since she is a dull m1 killer who can be looped to death survivors have no reason to heal. change it already, its time.
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Even if they put some more effects on add ons. All she has at the moment are 95% "slightly/moderately/considerably tweaks cooldown/charge time" etc. She has no added effects to vomit, only her URs give her anything that isn't in her base kits, nothing she has really shifts how she plays from "puke til broken, M1, wait to see if you can get corrupt."
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Plague is good tho.
The majority just doesnt know how to play her right.
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not at high ranks since she is only an m1 killer
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Vomiting on a generator should start regression and trigger perks such as Overcharge and Pop Goes The Weasel
Generally there is no situation where you want to vomit on a generator with progress and not also kick it, so you lose time twice (kick animation + vomit charge and cooldown)
Generator regression is not a particularly strong or oppressive mechanic so giving a killer a stronger version of it should be fine
Ranged generator regression is also an interesting mechanic to have in the game
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The ominous "You just don't know how to play X right!" that's seen in basically every multiplayer game
Feel free to enlighten us, what is this wondrous correct playstyle that almost no one knows about?
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many people who learned how to play her in the PTB announced that her "small" nerfs were far more detrimental than her buffs, and would hurt her gameplay substantially vs good survivors. Just like was predicted, her power is fine vs bad to mediocre survivors, and bad vs focused or coordinated ones. All she needs is to deal with loops slightly better than she does now, as that change practically neutered her power in chases.
She's a lot of fun and her power is a great concept, it just needs a bit more viability for how the game is actually played.
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After Trapper :)
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Yeah, I chalk it up to to lag/hitbox but it’s annoying
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She's still relatively new so alot of people don't have meta perks on her yet. You cant trust the kill rate of a new killer
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Shes the only killer whose half power relies on survivor if they want to give him corrupt or not theres no penalty to remain sick
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Also, it would be nice if you could switch back to vile purge while corrupt purge is still active.
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The stats were taken from the 1st to the 7th of April, 5 days after her release.
If you take that into consideration it's like saying any killer who would be strong in that same time period after release in the future needs nerfed, you don't want to go down that route again as Freddy is a prime example of jumping the gun.
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Data is probably skewed though. Plague is a new killer and the data points were taken from 4/1 to 4/7 so chances are it's not an accurate representation for her. I'm sure most players were playing with off meta builds because they were prestiging her and such.
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I never understood the instant heal if you cleanse.
You shouldn't heal, you should stay injured.
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Would make no difference whatsoever. People would just cleanse even less against her.
There's already little to no incentive to cleanse against her. The thing with Plague is that no one wants to cleanse until one person does, then everyone has to.
I personally don't think she needs any more buffs than any of the other non top tier/M1 killers. If you don't cleanse against her, she eventually plays like EW3 Myers. When you do, she becomes easier Huntress. Poeple just need to stop trying to play every single freaking killer the same way.
Also the stats are from shortly after her release. They mean very little when it comes to her viability.
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Agreed. She has one of the best Lore in this game, best design and a Unique ability, I'd like to see her much stronger and scarier.
It's sad.
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Apple should be baseline if anything. Just so then she can force you to cleanse without an add-on.
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I still think that the best buffs suggested were to give survivors the Hindered status every time they vomit for the duration of the vomiting, and give them a 6m AoE that infects anything within its radius while they vomit. That way she'll be more of a threat to fully infected survivors in chases but not too OP, and survivors will spread the sickness around the map more without having to directly interact with each other or objects first. This would encourage survivors to cleanse at fountains, create a more plague-like feel for how the sickness gets around, and reduce the workload on her since she currently has to infect practically everything herself.
Other than that, it would be nice if she was reverted back to her PTB self where she slowed down when charging her purge, went back to 115% movement speed while holding it, and slowed down again for cool down. As she is right now, the 3 different slowdowns using her Purge make looping her easy for survivors and remove much of the pressure she used to be able to apply. That change they made to her brought her down a peg from near-viable to simply mediocre.
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Actually the insta-heal isnt bad. if she could hold her vomit without movement penalty, like on the PTB, she would be much more viable.
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getting the vomit on them isnt the problem, the problem is that vomit doesn't prove a threat to competent survivors.
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She was JUST released and you think they'll BUFF her after killing her? That's not BHVR style dawg. Minimum 2 years wait time lol. That's why I didn't even buy her.
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I personally think its the "fully heal on cleanse" what's bringing her down.
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Yeah that is pretty stupid AND it's way faster than just being healed by someone else. Broken? Who cares? Rush the gen and get the free heal later.🤷🤣
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Plague doesn't need a buff, people don't know how to play her yet.
I actually would nerf her speed movement while charging the puke tho. I think it's necessary. She is way too fast and stoppable.
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@Andreyu44 I have played her loads since her release and got her to p3. I can say she is weak.
1. She is over reliant on add-ons. You need those effectiveness add-ons.
2. No reason to cleanse. It's a one hit down but survivors who can loop will still beat you easy.
3. If survivors aren't broken, they don't spread sickness. This is really bad if you want to spread the sickness.
4. Slower while holding Vile purge. Corrupt purge I understand but not with Vile purge.
I don't I'll play her anymore unless they buff her some way.
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Puke on hooked survivors and in gens so you will have the game won already. You gotta force them to cleanse.
If you are getting easily looped that doesn't mean the killer is weak... Esp when she can snipe with her ability lul
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Use the red vomit and get 4k ez
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and when there is no red vomit? (survivors not cleansing)
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Survivors always cleanse even in red ranks... You have to force them to do it in a way or another.
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That's the issue which is being discussed here. There is very little incentive to cleanse. Most strong survivors can loop effectively, and as she's a basic M1 killer without corrupt purge, that's not a real threat to them, even being broken.
There is no debuff for being sick, no slower repairing or slower movement, you're JUST injured and that's not really a great power overall.
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Do you guys have an easy time vs EW3 Myers?
It seems like you do, because if no one cleanses, that's exactly how she plays.
I don't know what survs you're versing, or how bad you are at countering looping, but vs an okay killer they EVENTUALLY will need to cleanse. Doing it early is extremely stupid, but eventually they will.
And once one person cleanses, EVERYONE has to, because it's unviable to remain injured at all times vs her Corrupt Purge.
Out of all the M1 no mobility killers, Myers is the only one who's better than her. People just need to STOP PLAYING HER LIKE ALL THE OTHER KILLERS. Infect everything early, eventually they'll all be broken. Don't overcommit to chases. Yes, you'll need something to delay the game, probably Ruin. Most killers do. Most killers struggle with gen rushing and looping, it's not a problem exclusive to her.
Adapt ffs.
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Can the vomit animation prevent you from Vaulting? Dropping Pallets?
You know, like Doctor's shock.
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right! just break the pallet stupid killer!
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