Why is this allowed to happen?
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wow that is really gameplay abuse. she isn't even that big her box shouldn't be that wide.
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inb4 Killer mains saying "It's the basement. It's the killer's lair. This is totally okay."
As if it's JUST about the basement and not the fact that her body can block that much space ANYWHERE on the map
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Might be a bug
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It's not a bug. Killer hitboxes are just that big. In fact survivor hitboxes are pretty chunky too. This person just decided to bodyblock in the basement. It's a crappy thing to do, but bodyblocking isn't a bannable offense on either side. You did have one person who was out of the basement who could have just pushed gens so technically the game isn't being held hostage. This is like the perfect storm of "I think we did a pretty good job so far".
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this happens quite often though. the killer can just sit there and block
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the survivors stuck in the basement could not leave to end the game, so it sort of is keeping the game hostage.
Post edited by Tydie on9 -
You're gonna see this a lot once Endgame Collapse comes out. "It's the basement, if you're in there its YOUR fault"
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Honestly, it's dumb that some people are trying to defend this. They need to make the hitboxes smaller for killer.
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It's not considered holding the game hostage as the other survivor can do gens, holding the game hostage means there is no way for anyone to end game and the only option is to dc, in this scenario it would only be applicable if they were the last two alive.
She could also be doing this for example if she had NOED and was waiting on it activating to down both of you quickly.
It may be considered scummy gameplay but its not bannable or holding the game hostage.
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I'd be down with reducing killers hitboxes so this cant happen. Makes looping them that much harder.
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Its allowed as long as survivors are on a timer, like bleedout, hook, Borrowed Time, and so on. Its scummy, but a legit strategy. Its only reportable if its to hold the game hostage
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No one is going to say that. Stop diving killers and survivors even further.
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I'd also say this is no hostage, you have several other spots where you can body block one or more survivors. Think of the dead ends in Lery's, where you often can find totems. Or several rooms with just one door and no windows. Pretty dark to hide in it. But if the killer finds you...
Same on the typical hatch spawn in Preschool map, the U-shaped tire piles in Autohaven and and and. It's the killer's (rather scummy) choice to block. Plague can take an unfair advantage of it, all other killers would just benefit if they run NOED, but give up the game on it. As said, only if ALL survivors are trapped, they are taking the game hostage.
Reducing the hitbox would only fix this one on the basement. But I think this is more a kind of bigger threat. It is common to not loop around the basement when injured, to get to know where the basement is early in the game and to work in teams on basement gens.
Just waiting for requests to implement a second exit to the basement because insta unhooks are so goddam dangerous without BT...
edit: btw. have you seen videos where survivors body block killers? Making end game chases impossible or crouching behind a killer to trap them in gaps and stuff? Or healing downed survivors against Freddy cuz he can't do anything against it? That's all legit from survivor view and regarded good play. Even though this really looks super silly when spectating this from a neutral position.
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A better option would be to break killer's collision if they stand still for more than 25 seconds. Then they could do it to wait out BT but can't hold you hostage like this.
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Not yet. There are people who say this and that's what's really sad. I would tag them but name and shame is not allowed.
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just putting this out there; the killer got temp banned for this because it was deemed holding the game hostage :)
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Did you report them? This is actually breaking the rules.
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What's stopping the killer from tapping the keys to avoid that then?
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@Deadeye You mean the Survivor who can be downed and killed is somehow blocking the killer...? This is against the rules 'cause the killer is holding the game hostage. A survivor isn't holding the game hostage by body blocking. You can hit them and get out. The only time in this sort of scenario that a survivor is breaking the rule is when you can't get to them. You can't kill and move on the game that way.
Survivors can't kill the killer therefore they can't slap the killer to get free or down them to get free. This feels ridiculous to have to explain, but apparently some people need it explained to them.
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There is no killers saying this is okay too just hold the game hostage with it, It is and has been confirmed to be okay to do to wait out BT timers however so you go right ahead and spread your nonsense.
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Yeah I’ve had a lot of Billy’s and leatherfaces do that to me
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That's an obvious lye cuz they do not ban for a 46 second clip, they themselves have stated you need to show them a video of the full round and they have to done this for alot longer than 46 seconds but that's common sense at this point :P
Which is why folks like you keep posting less than a minute clips.
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Not for waiting out a BT timer, it is'nt :P
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In theory if they move then there is a chance they will allow you a chance to slip past on either side. Even if they do it perfectly, if you just press against them the whole time they will only be able to go backwards, eventually getting to a point where they aren't blocking you anymore. Also they have to stay there and do it continuously and perfectly if they intend to keep you trapped. Since killers will just sit there AFK it means that most instances where this occurs will be eliminated as no one will want to actively troll someone that hard. Some people might but at the very least this would solve 99% of hostage situations.
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Better question...what are multiple survivors doing in the basement after endgame starts?
It's so dumb to defend this but once again...why are the survivors there when the gates are open?
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At the moment, it's taking the game hostage because the game won't end for the survivors if the killer just blocks them and the survs can't do anything. (The EGC will change some things when a timer is ticking.)
Just report the player.
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But it's not if they are waiting out a BT timer so stop spreading nonsense that any small time of this is the same as 20 minutes :P
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That is a little bit too long for BT.
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Could also help with looping, I agree they should make the killer hitbox smaller.
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True but that's still not the evidence the devs want in these cases, they specifically stated that you have to record the full game and be able to prove this was done around near 20 minutes for it to be counted...why 20 minutes? Idk...It's from the same minds who used endgame as an excuse to nerf The Pig sooo... *shrugs*
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There could be multiple reasons for more than one survivor to be in the basement.
1) Someone gets hooked in the basement, gets unhooked then receives heals from their teammates.
2) Multi-hook in basement, survivor uses Deliverance to save himself then unhooks their teammate.
3) Survivors trying to body-block your path on the way to the basement to save their teammate.
4) Trying to hide and was in the wrong place, wrong time.
The bigger phenomenon is why people have been arguing for ages for a shorter hit-boxes, completely flip their opinion when stuff like the above happens.
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@AlexAnarchy I clearly wrote about situations where "the game won't end for the survivors". I don't see how you get the idea that this would refer to waiting 15 seconds for BT to run out.
Also use the @ tag if you want to let others know that you replied to them.
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I don't think it will. Killers could just tap 'W' and 'S' keys and stay in the middle of the stairs. Nothing will really change.
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If you do that you mess up killers like Spirit who actually use standing still for long periods of time as a form of mind game due to how her phase leaves a husk with her TR behind.
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Yep, and those normally happen hardly ever after the gates have been opened yup...
Never seen any of this hardly happen until EGC got announced now a few folks trying to convince others that this happens all the time~
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Who the ######### said it happens all the time #########? Where did you read that in this thread?
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Just seems to be a thing that almost every thread about EGC being bad for survivors was saying when it was first announced and how many keep using the basement hostage issue (( which is punished)) as some excuse to get the basement stairs wider or just too try and make the basement another safe haven for survivors to bully at is all.
Probably not your reason so my bad in that case but it seems so common of things to be just used this way on the forums.
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Yea that's reportable.
Sad thing here is, that it shows how huge the hitbox is... They can't even walk pass her.
It was like an invisible wall was there.
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Can we put a sudoku puzzle in the basement? If the survivor has enough time to solve a sudoku puzzle in the basement, a hidden secondary stairs should open up to let them out. This will prevent afk body blocks in the basement
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Is that the killer or the survivors hitbox? It seems like it's the Survivor hitbox, which is already huge. So many times I Vault a window and clearly land safely and they hit the windowsill but I still get struck.
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Just disable collision for both killers and survivor if they remain stationary/in the same immediate area for a certain amount of time. Make it like 30 seconds BEFORE THE EGC for killers so they can wait out BT but can't just block 2 people in the basement with 5 gens up and go afk and get 2 kills for it, and honestly I don't mind making it 2 minutes or something during the EGC as the game will end at that point anyway.
And for survivors? It could be like 20, 15 or even 10 seconds. When does a survivor need to retain their collision for longer than that? To be an "epic memer" and block other survivors in corners, that's when, which is griefing. When bodyblocking for someone being carried by the killer they will be moving around anyway so it won't have an impact there.
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30 seconds? Nah. What if I'm waiting out a RBT
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The solution is to revert killer hitboxes to how they used to be.🤷
You kill 2 birds with one stone. You destroy basement blocking AND get rid of looping!
Win/Win😎😎😎😎😎😎🤷🤷🤷🤷
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There has been plenty of suggestions to reduce the collision box of killers due to lower the impact of looping but that #########'s been ignored since forever. Reducing the collision box would solve this abuse. Just saying.
@Tydie I see you have a recording. Do you have the Nurse's steam ID and such too? You could send them to Behavior. Blocking the basement stairs are considered bannable, if they do it for the sake of forcing survivors to DC.
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You can report the Nurse after all gens are done and one exit gate is open. Now the Nurse needs to hit them or unblock the stairs. Until then she can block you off.
Or if the last survivor also hops into the basement.
Is it stupid and annoying yes.
But so long the match can be completed not bannable.
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Alot of ppl think that its allowed its not standing there and waiting for the survivor to die on the EGC its just holding hostage i agree that they should reduce the hitbox also you can get ban for doing that ive report quite alot of ppl doing it and i dont know if they got ban or not but if they did they deserved it
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This will be solved in the upcoming patch.
And yes, the developers could reduce the hotboxes of the killers; would be amazing to see how this fares in loops and how people scream then.
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How many have you reported for just waiting out a BT timer I wonder...
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How is this being solved in the upcoming patch? Are you saying survivors will not be dumb enough to be in the basement together after the gates are open?!
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This issue has popped up a few times on Reddit and someone came up with a solution that I like.
If the killer is holding still for longer than 20 seconds not doing anything, the Entity will stun the killer for 10 seconds and remove their collision. This would not be reduced by enduring.
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