Nothings for killers anymore

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  • CaptainCastle
    CaptainCastle Member Posts: 536

    Why should we be happy with "better than it used to be"?


    The game was a joke this time last year, and now its just okay balance wise. Bandaids don't fix problems, they just make them easier to ignore.

  • Madjura
    Madjura Member Posts: 2,454

    You forgot the removal of infinites, I mean how DARE the devs, how dare they!

    All of the things you listed were massive cancer and deserved to be gutted, with the exception of "Opening up may layouts, such as Lery's and Swamp variations" because I have no idea what you mean there

  • holywhitetrash
    holywhitetrash Member Posts: 289

    pallet vacuum was never meant to be in the game and the killer was always meant to be able to use sound to help them in chase, those were bug fixes

    bug fixes are not nerfs or buffs because if you were using a bug to your advantage then you were exploiting the game

  • TheAngryPickle
    TheAngryPickle Member Posts: 73

    LULULULULUL GIT GUD BABY KILLERS BORROWED TIME FTW

  • Raizinz
    Raizinz Member Posts: 43


    Hell, I remember earlier than that when NOED was just a perk, everyone would queue up as Jake, drop all the hooks with Saboteur, run to the furthest possible point away from the basement, and then ######### that they got 4 man slugged. People don't change, their methods do

  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161

    If you wanted to block the survivors path, it's still possible to get in the way. You just can't hold the game hostage anymore. And you say all that like killer complaints didn't result in survivor things getting nerfed or changed.

  • Orti
    Orti Member Posts: 198

    @Eninya Most of your points aren't nerfs at all

    BNP= This should never be an argument for nerfing survivors it was broken af

    Instablind= don't gives the killer an advantage just removed an unfair mechanic

    palett vacuum= wen't into the game as bug and was never intended just took the devs over a year to fix

    Map Layout= The most survivor sided maps are still as they were and they never changed a map as a nerf for survivors. Changing how a map is designed isn't a nerf or buff by it self

    Moon offerings= got deleted because it was not working for newer maps anyway and the devs didn't wanted to make different light settings for all maps anymore, also this can't be count as a nerf or buff for one side. These can only be side effects of it

    Audio changes= Currently sounds are bugged anyway. Lookimng at you Spirit, also they adjusted sounds in general not only for killers. I can easily hear stealth killers like myers, wraith and pig walking and breathing

  • SunderMun
    SunderMun Member Posts: 2,789
    edited May 2019

    What change was made to the basement?


    I missed it in the patch notes?


    Also most of Legion's changes were fair, but he can be looped for the entirety of his power if there's a vault available to surivvors now. @ShyN3ko

  • NoShinyPony
    NoShinyPony Member Posts: 4,570

    @SunderMun The killer can't block the basement stairs anymore. So no waiting 15 seconds for Borrowed Time to run out.

  • SunderMun
    SunderMun Member Posts: 2,789

    Oh, I wasn't aware of this...nothing to complain about then; if borrowed time went off then that person would be tunneled if you actually went for them off the hook anyway.

  • Sheldor
    Sheldor Member Posts: 213

    The latest patch and the end game collapse are another example why these developer stumble around their offices completely clueless about game design and testing.


    While I like the idea of an end game timer limiting the time survivors can annoy the killer player its just over the edge once again that the killer can close the hatch, the survivors cant re-open it, the timer is started and exit gates spawn in the same sector just 5 s travel time apart for the killer. Automatic win, no use of any brain cell required whatsoever. Just like the fact that they introduced wallhack perk after wallhack perk for killers in a game that is supposedly meant to be a hide and seek theme.

  • NoShinyPony
    NoShinyPony Member Posts: 4,570

    @SunderMun It makes the basement a lot less dangerous. I think it would have been a better solution to change collision only after 15-20 seconds so that the tactical aspect for stopping BT wouldn't get removed.

    The main reason for this change is to prevent frustrating situations for survivors where they get trapped in the basement until the endgame collapse kills them. As a big side effect, it's a buff for BT.

    Keep in mind that the basement is supposed to be extra-dangerous and not a place like anywhere else on the map.

  • NoShinyPony
    NoShinyPony Member Posts: 4,570
    edited May 2019

    @SunderMun Well, there are also things like DS and insta-heals. Speaking as a surv main, I don't think this indirect nerf to BT was necessary.

    Edit: I forgot MoM which also helps with these situations in the later stages of the match.

  • Raptorrotas
    Raptorrotas Member Posts: 3,245

    How the hell ist the EGC killer sided? It's whole presentation is geared towards survivor exitement.

    In normal rounds it triggers ehen the game is theoretically over for survivors.... as a win.

    The idea that the killer has to open a door to trigger the EGC himself is bullshit, "here have an open exit, another shortcut to winning akin the hatch"

    As the last survivor its is a third chance to escape normally after THE NOW ACTUALLY FREE HATCH is closed. I feel the need to point out that'd the game be over if the survivor junped the hatch, but survivors have to get another slightly harder but nicely presented chance instead of dying instantly.


    Not even gonna bother explaining unneeded pig nerfs. Enjoy the bait/bribe cosmetics.

  • SunderMun
    SunderMun Member Posts: 2,789

    @NoShinyPony I mean, insta-heals arent common at all and DS isn't used as much as it used to be, and as for MoM...the number of times I've seen someone pull it off I can count on one hand, and I play this game, both roles, a lot.


    Honestly? BT in that situation SHOULD give the unhooked survivor a chance; that is, they should be able to at least have some form of chase rather than being locked in the basement until it's over. That is the whole point of the perk - to counter people tunneling those you unhook. I will only use it for this reason.

  • Frozenscum
    Frozenscum Member Posts: 393

    I just had game with 4 Blendettes in similar outfit hiding from me from very start not going any of objectives. When I found one and hooked her, noone went for rescue, she died, when I found second - she DCed as soon as I downed her, third made same and hatch spawned literally at 4th location, so she excaped right after 3rd disconnected. Game lasted for 15 minutes, I lost pudding offering, cause had like 7k points, game was stupid and they were trying to mock me in end-game chat.

    "Thanks" for giving hatch to survivors unconditionally and create another abuse of game mechanics.

    "Good job" devs.

  • NoShinyPony
    NoShinyPony Member Posts: 4,570

    @SunderMun I don't see tunneling as a black-and-white thing. Especially when the gens are done.

    We had a situation a couple of weeks ago where not enough people were playing killer, which resulted in bad queue times for survivors. I don't want to see more killer mains get frustrated and stop playing the game.

  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161

    @ShyN3ko The pig nerf would have been fine if they accompanied it with a buff. I understand why they changed it, but they have to understand that that was the strongest way to play her. :/

  • GrootDude
    GrootDude Member Posts: 14,110

    Once again, the sky isn’t falling.

  • Delfador
    Delfador Member Posts: 2,552

    @ShyN3ko Please don't give them these kind of ideas.

  • T0xicTyler
    T0xicTyler Member Posts: 504

    You're kidding right? This game isn't survivor-sided and it hasn't been for a while now. Anyone who says otherwise clearly hasn't been playing for very long.

  • Taelance
    Taelance Member Posts: 100

    @Dreamnomad

    You cant talk about things as buffs to killers.

    Especially not on here.

    You get bombed with down votes.

  • Taelance
    Taelance Member Posts: 100

    @mcNuggets

    Yes because how dare killers block the basement to be guaranteed a two man for going out and getting some food meanwhile they just blocked the basement.

    This had to be changed due to EGC.

  • Crythor
    Crythor Member Posts: 296

    This.

    Also dont forget a killer is 100% of his team so allways as good as he is. However survivors are only 25% of their team so if their teammates arent at least as good as themself they lower their overall strength. So you can really only compare a 4 man swf where the survivors are the same skill lvl and use voice chat to a killer or no matter how good they are they are at a disadvantage.

    BHVRS statistics dont reflect that at all. Also dont forget most people also on rank 1 are still bad.

    We could ofc go into detail much more but i didnt want to write too much or noone would read it at all.

  • se05239
    se05239 Member Posts: 3,919

    @ShyN3ko Or Nurse being unable to blink. Or Hillbilly unable to use his chainsaw.

    Its basically the same thing. The Pig didn't need to get gutted like a fish.

  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161

    @ShyN3ko I believe the issue was that everyone could leave ('cause the timer's going down) and the killer had nothing to pressure but the boxes and the survivor only had the boxes to go for. It'd make the Pig the strongest in endgame by a long shot. She'd essentially have a kill, even if people did safe saves.

    Honestly I think it'd be fine if they gave the traps buffs for in game use, like hiding the boxes until a gen goes off, making it harder to take it off first try. I believe how it works is that the boxes are chosen all at once, so it may have to be reworked to accomplish this.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    In my opinion the RBT doesnt work right.

    I find the right key after ~1 min.

    So in the endgame, I could escape.

    @fluffybunny

    But I dont know what the devs want.

    The survivors stay in the match vs a endgame killer.

    And then the survivors fail and 1 or 2 get on the hook.

    The Pig made no mistakes, but she get punished for it.

  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161

    I've had matches where I've found the key first try and matches where it was the last one searched @ShyN3ko It's far too random imo and I don't think the first searched should ever give the key. I also think survivors shouldn't see the aura when active too, though, and that that add-on should be changed to always hide the boxes so you actually have to look. I think we could try that to see how it goes in a PTB. C:

    As for

    The survivors stay in the match vs a endgame killer.

    And then the survivors fail and 1 or 2 get on the hook.

    The Pig made no mistakes, but she get punished for it.

    I think the issue was that pressuring one person on the box is easy and everyone could just leave. She could follow a person around until their head blew up, essentially, which can be quite cheap. I'd honestly rather her just get a buff to her kit.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @fluffybunny

    She could follow a person around until their head blew up, essentially, which can be quite cheap.

    She can still do this?

    Ok not in the endgame.


    But yeah, I agree with you.

    We must test it in the PTB.


    BTW, Freddy is a endgame killer.

    Delete his ability in the endgame,too?

  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161
    edited May 2019

    @ShyN3ko

    Yes, but she could do this before and I've seen people on the forums express concern over the pig just following around the trapped individual until the helmet goes off.

    Freddy isn't really an endgame killer. His power is actually weakest endgame without the help of perks. His perks are endgame, but they did nerf his perks relating to endgame.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @fluffybunny

    I still want my endgame killer.

    Its was a little counter vs genrush.

  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161
    edited May 2019

    Do you take in Ruin? Honestly that's typically enough to counter how fast gens get done. Otherwise it's all about pressure. Going from one to the next is important and knowing when to continue chase and how to take your loops are important, too.

    Saying "I want an endgame killer" would be like saying "I want a hatch build" for survivor. I don't think it's good to go into a game, banking on everyone falling like flies and having to rely on that particular endgame. Same for killer. @ShyN3ko I forgot to @ you

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @fluffybunny

    I hate Ruin.

    I never take it, because I just hate it.

    Btw my chases are rly short.

    But 1 survivor need only 80 seconds for 1 gen.

    So my chases must be 20-30 seconds and then they cant gen rush me.

    But thats impossible, because the hit and hook animation.

    And I want my endgame killer, because I liked it.

    "Its not over,I still have my plan"

    "Lets play a game"

    Endgame pig was just a good feeling.

  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161

    @ShyN3ko Is it the totem aspect you don't like? I believe the Plague had a perk that's helpful for keeping survivors off of certain gens at the start. Discordance is also very helpful in locating where the pressure is highest.

    I heard someone suggest extending the timer while the killer is in an active chase once. I believe it was like every new chase would give survivors a debuff, that way chasing a survivor wouldn't be as restrictive. I'd be up for testing that out on the PTB, too.

    I know people suggested slowing the timer for the end game collapse and instead they just removed the power. Does it still work if it goes off before end game starts? You can still technically have an end game build. NOED and Blood Warden are really strong together, for instance.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    Ambush + Noed = You get 1

    You use 1 RBT.

    You hook him = Bloodwarden

    You get 1 or 2 survivors.

    Use 1 or 2 RBT.


    With this tactic you get 2 - 3 survivors in the endgame.

    But the gates must be open.

    And the ability must work in the endgame.

    I still hate this "fix".

    Because both abilities should work in the complete game.

    Just delete 1 ability, because the endgame starts is just a stupid "fix".

    @fluffybunny 🐇

  • fluffybunny
    fluffybunny Member Posts: 2,161

    @ShyN3ko 🐈️

    Well, what's more than likely to happen is that you would get one before the gates open, so that would leave Blood Warden for when you get your second person by catching them trying to open the door, etc. You could also bring along Remember Me and make sure to kill the obsession before the end game. I was talking more of a perk build than a killer, though. Any killer can be an end game killer with the right perks. I don't think any of the other killers would have a strong end game effect, so I can understand why they would change that.

    I think they've essentially made her helmets be a main game affect. So used to create pressure before the end game. I think that's what they're intending. She does need a buff to her traps if they're going to change that aspect of her, though, in my opinion.

    If I say anything you don't understand, let me know by the way.