Why not make 3vs1 the standard game mode?

@Tsulan said:

@mcNuggets said:
Survivors can be stronger than killers, true, but killers can be stronger than half strong survivors, they just have to adapt the game, so the goal of an survivor is not anymore to waste time of a killer, instead GET AWAY FROM THE KILLER EFFICIENTLY.

Running to the next pallet and waiting there is NOT getting away from the killer efficiently.
It´s just to waste his time.

Eww.. That's my point.

@Kuris said:
We know it takes, at max, 80 seconds to do a gen (excluding thanataphobia). Lets assume you find 1 survivor in 10 seconds. Other survivors have found gens that spawned close to them

There are now 75 seconds left on 3 gens. You run through 3 pallets, you are looped the three times and then swing, not respecting, and are stunned. You've wasted 20 seconds looping, you are stunned for 2.1 seconds (without enduring) You break the pallet, taking an additional 1.8 (with Brutal Strength III).

There are now 3 gens, on or about 50 seconds.

Second pallet, repeat the same process.

There are now 3 gens, on or about 25 seconds.

Finally, you are ran around the killer shack for 10 seconds. They do not drop the pallet, they mess the loop and you down them in an optimistic 10 seconds. You have a 2 second pickup animation after the over 1 second cooldown from hitting.

13 seconds left on 3 gens.

Luckily, the killer shack has the basement, you walk down in 5 seconds, you hook over a period of 2 seconds, and walk back up in another five. You leave the killer shack, 3 gens are completed or about to be.

This doesn't A LOT of factors of the game, though. Like travel distance between starting point & generator, time spent creeping away from gens when the killer comes too close, time spent trying to organize your team without (and sometimes with, even) communication. It also boils a chase down to just numbers, which isn't an exact science.

Basically you're running numbers and ONLY numbers, and forgetting that survivors are people and not machines who are very, very rarely, going to follow this formula.

@Kuris said:

@hill_o said:
If you're chasing someone for 2 minutes, you probably need to stop chasing them and go and find someone else/patrol generators.

1 minute 20 seconds*, thats the time it takes to complete a gen.

Not to forget that is a HUGE timewaster. What if the next survivor you find is also able to evade?

Then you're out of luck and that's kind of a throwaway round.

I get that it's frustrating, but that's how it is on the survivor side sometimes to? Everyone slugged before two generators are done is also really aggravating, but I don't think the solution is "take away every survivor advantage", especially not if we're already nerfing all the exhaustion perks.

@mintchapstick said:
This doesn't A LOT of factors of the game, though. Like travel distance between starting point & generator, time spent creeping away from gens when the killer comes too close, time spent trying to organize your team without (and sometimes with, even) communication. It also boils a chase down to just numbers, which isn't an exact science.

Basically you're running numbers and ONLY numbers, and forgetting that survivors are people and not machines who are very, very rarely, going to follow this formula.

You're right, it also doesn't take into account that they could have DS. Or that they could get flashlight saved. Oh, and they ONLY used 3 pallets. And didn't use the killer shack pallet because they messed up in my scenario. what if they didn't?

Oh, and yes, at high ranks, survivors will follow that formula, and they will be less likely to creep away from a Gen when they can clearly see the killer is occupied.

ALSO, I did forget it can take less than 80 seconds, maybe one has a brown toolbox with addons, marginally faster. Maybe another hits all great skill checks, thats even faster.

I 100% guarantee you, anything I missed on the survivors side of things, can be made up for again.

@Tsulan said:
hill_o said:

@Tsulan said:

 @hill_o said:

If you're chasing someone for 2 minutes, you probably need to stop chasing them and go and find someone else/patrol generators.

Great idea! I find the next survivor and he also loops me for 2 minutes.

Then i switch targed for the third time, ignoring the other 2 loopers and ohh no, he also loops...

Maybe i´m more lucky with the last survi... ohh gates are powered and they escaped.

"gg ez"

I mean that definitely sounds frustrating but at the same time, maybe you just have to get better? I'm not trying to 'git gud' you, because that's stupid and obnoxious, but if your strategy isn't working maybe it's time to try another strategy instead of waiting for the game to change. Lots of people reach rank 1 as a killer the way it is right now.

Those people reached rank 1 with Billy or Nurse.
Then survivors complain that they only encounter those killers on high ranks.

Have you tried killer yourself? Because "that definitely sounds frustrating" sounds like you haven't experienced this yourself.

I'm trying to reach rank 1 with Freddy. Which is hard mode. 

I split my time 50-50 killer survivor, so yes I have tried it. However, I don't play a ton and I don't go above rank 10 (intentionally). I agree that it's stupid that some killers are much more buffed than others. I don't think the solution is 1 vs. 3. I think you're interpreting the fact that my rank doesn't bother me as me not playing, but that's not true. It just doesn't bother me.

And you're right-- that is hard mode. You also chose that, you don't have to use Freddy to rank up. Anyway, aside from that, they're buffing him soon? So it seems like that problem in particular is being worked on.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

That's a no from me.

It's pretty rare to win a 3v1 as survivors.

I'm sure it's fun for players to be able to dominate and feel good about winning in a game of whack-a-mole, but for balancing or actually making the game better, let's not.

I'm sure those killers would be just as happy with an AI mode. God knows the game queue would be bad enough if a chunk of survivors stopped playing.

@Tsulan said:
Been playing since 2016. The only time i experienced a 45+ minute que, was when David King was released. Everyone stopped playing killer. All played survivor.
Killers only have 5 minute queues, when a new killer is relased and survivor mains want to play the killer in ranked for whatever reason.

The game has been survivor sided for 2 years now. The upcoming changes are a beginning, but i don´t expect that they are game changing.

I still get 20 minute queues, but only when I'm SWF and partially due to dodging. But hey, if the devs decide that group multiplayer is not the game they want, then what can I say?

I personally don't think 3v1 is the way to go BUT the survivor need either more objectives or for their objectives to be harder. This would match up to the killer much better

@Skorpanio said:
More objectives = More time for me to kill em
Sinse they get done with about 2-3 gens each game, more objectives would slow that down even more.
And I would have a ez time playing The Nurse.

And I would finally have a Leatherface match that goes well.

@Tsulan said:

@IronWolf115 said:

@Skorpanio said:
More objectives = More time for me to kill em
Sinse they get done with about 2-3 gens each game, more objectives would slow that down even more.
And I would have a ez time playing The Nurse.

And I would finally have a Leatherface match that goes well.

Or a Freddy match!

Lol yeah very true!