BHVR, DO NOT CHANGE END GAME COLLAPSE

It's pure RNG. In my personal games the gates almost never spawn close to each other. Often enough they are on the other sides of a given map.

I feel like they might make some changes. I have only escaped once as the last survivor during the EGC (only because the killer made a mistake). It feels almost impossible to escape if you're the last survivor and the killer isn't a potato. A few changes are needed.

It wouldnt surprise me if the devs decided to change EGC instead of buffing Wake Up or even rework Left Behind.

I stand by one of the exits gates and wait until the hatch closes.

By the time the killer comes I either have already open the gate or hidden until the killer leaves.

OR

Depending on how many survivors are left I start to look for the hatch ahead of time.

Furthermore, you need to stop and consider cases where you didn't even get 2 genators done, the hatch is still becoming available - you were probably already dead anyway. EGC is just making that last death faster for both you and the killer.

The biggest problem with the EGC is that the gates often spawn close together. I think the EGC would be completely fine if that is fixed.

The exit gates are fine where they are, I'm tired of survivors trying to get a get out of jail free card with EGC. Just take an L with grace, if you have bad luck then you have it.

https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Entity

"The Entity feeds on strong emotions, for example the Killer's rage, the Survivors' desperation, hope or even affection towards other Survivors. The easiest way for it to procure those strong emotions is through the never-ending trials, invoking hope in Survivors towards an escape from the nightmarish construct. The actual process of feeding itself comes in the form of the sacrifice. It is through that bizarre ritual that The Entity can extract the nourishment it needs to increase its power and sustain itself. Its eventual goal is to consume the world, and each sacrifice plays a part in that growth.

With each passing death, a little of the Survivor's soul is lost. Eventually as all hope evaporates, the Survivor becomes less and less useful to the Entity, slowly devolving into a cold and emotionless shell. These lost Survivors, whose hope has long since left them, are eventually throw into what is known as "The Void", a limbo full of such empty shells."

The exit gates are not fine when they spawn very close together. It makes escaping almost impossible (especially if the killer is Billy, Spirit or Nurse). I play both survivor and killer equal. They really need to fix it.

I don’t think the end game needs any changes and I don’t know why some people struggle to escape. I was the last survivor and one time I just waited at the gate till the killer closed the hatch to escape straight away. And another time I waited at the gate saw the killer come and leave since it wasn’t touched and then opened it to escape. The escape mechanic takes strategy and there is no need to make any major changes or touch the time. It’s honestly perfect

@Entità The fanatics you speak of are the people that ask for counter-balance when balance is given. Jigsaw's boxes were not an issue that were disputed so that argument can go in the trash, it was a request that was made and with valid reasons being that the killer is M1 and the rng could be unfair so no point in spacing jigsaw boxes too far. That being said, it's totally irrelevant to gate locations.

Saying "it's good that it's difficult but if it is impossible for bad mechanics it must be changed" is a fanatic thing to say.

@IronKnight55 @Entità I'm not going to try and offend you guys but I'm gonna say this as I'm thinking it: Do you know what it's like to be an m1 killer and load into a map that is crazy survivor-sided and then have to face optimal meta-builded survivors on it? Do you? Because if you do then advocating for gate locations to be changed because " sometimes it's impossible for someone to escape during egc lets change gate locations" would sound like a very silly 'increase our escape % (ridiculously high)' request. Same way killers can get jacked over by maps, survivors should tolerate being jacked over by how far apart the exit gates are on the map and they will be punished for it if they weren't working as an optimal team. Which is literally THE ONLY way that gates being too close together can screw over a survivor at egc: if the team didn't do well. Cleanse totems, watch for noed, survival skills/luck. And yes, I play survivor enough to know how much pettiness can go on during egc but killers have a right to play petty if they feel that's how they can win. That's why killers who say "no this is a bad idea" are saying it. And I'm speaking from a survivor and killer perspective. It would be unfair to make gates spawn further apart because in dbd, we suffer for our mistakes constantly and survivors can suffer if they didn't make egc tolerable as a team. I honestly cannot even think of a time where me or my team dying during egc wasn't our own fault for messing up at some points between the start of the game and the finish of it.

@Kurisataru The right distances are crucial for any mechanic: for hooks, for generators, for gates, for T-mazes, for pallets, for Jigsaw's boxes ... It's a general speech. Even the map itself must have a fair size: the Pale Rose and the Grim Pantry have been shrunk twice.

You talk about toxic teams, a fraction of 7% of games in which the killer faces a full team, while I talk about the last survivor who runs to the gates, when the hatch is closed. Can he have any hope if the gates are 40 meters away and the killer is fast (Nurse, Billy, Spirit, Wraith)? Can a Hag, a Pig, Myers or the Plague ever manage two gates 100 meters away? This is the point. There is no fanaticism: only good mathematics.

@Entità I said nothing about toxic survivors or even swf. I said optimal teams, they aren't synonym. Other than that I can't respond to this without repeating what I already said above. Even when you said can we have any hope with the gates only 40m away, I can just throw back to my first post you responded to which was the lore of the entity. In dbd so far we cannot make both sides have 50/50 chances of success by default. That is up to how people play the trial and killers already have the lower rate of success by default unless they play as a really good nurse/spirit/billy even if they make a bunch of mistakes, or they're lucky enough to have a team that will make tons of mistakes; which is why it is said that "killers at low ranks win more than killers at high ranks" and "it is easier to rank up as a killer fast". They just have the fortune of going against survivors who will make more mistakes. Imagine going through the trial as a scale which events pile on to each side turning one in favor of winning over the other. Survivors are not at the mercy of egc as much as some of them think. Not enough to need to increase gate distance.