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Fed up with being ignored. Legion isn’t fun anymore....
EDIT AND TL:DR since the ignoring of the post and misinterpreting is at an all time high, allow me to clarify: I don’t care about the changes to deep wounds. I care about HIS VAULT SPEEDS IN FERAL FRENZY. I love dead by daylight and BHVR, please understand that I agree that his deep wounds needed to be sacked, he is more balanced now, but he’s just not fun when he moves this slow.
SECOND EDIT: since my post is being downvoted so the devs can’t see it by people who don’t care about legion or anyone who plays him, I'm going to make this simple for you people,
- his frenzy can’t be used until fully charged? Fine.
- A miss depletes the meter completely? Fine.
- Feral Frenzy running speed is slower? Fine.
- Deepwounds sucks now? Fine.
- Can’t use frenzy to damage deep wounds timer? Fine.
- Can’t moon walk anymore? Great!
Literally the only thing I will not stand for is the slower vault speeds. That’s the only problem I have, people. I’m not asking for a legion revert! Just wanna vault faster, that’s it!
Before this goes any further I want to emphasize that I’m not trying to belittle or demean any members of the community or BHVR, this is pure frustration from months of feeling ignored, bad choices being made, and over zealous feedback ruining the game.
My performance with legion has stayed the exact same, and I’ve adapted well to the nerf, still getting 4k’s at high ranks, but he just doesn’t feel fun to play anymore. He feels so sluggish and gross. Which is ironic considering he was supposed to feel faster than before. He just isn’t fun.
His deep wounds was made 100% obsolete and you devs know it, that’s not what bothers me though. It’s his awfully slow feral frenzy vault speeds. If deep wounds can’t be repeatedly used to down a survivor anymore, why was his stun time increased, and why especially was his parkour slowed down? What’s next you gunna give him a wheelchair?
Did you guys even play test this yourselves? Because if you did, there’s no way you felt comfortable with how clunky he is to control now. It’s like trying to do parkour underwater. I’m not going to make you admit it, but when you butcher the fun of a certain killer without making fair compromises, and then charge $10 for a cosmetic that no one will buy because he’s dreadful to play, I guess I just wonder what you guys were thinking with this.
I’m not mad, just disappointed. Deep wounds will never go back to the way it was, it’s now used to prolong the healing stage, fine. That’s okay, but destroying the very thing that made him so special? His movement?
Anyone that’s played legion at least once knows deep down that the sense of speed was awesome.
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probably gunna get a lot of downvotes from players that never play killer and cannot possibly bother to fathom that he needs tweaks. Knowing this community
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I didn’t downvote you since I don’t care for the button but people are gonna disagree with you dude. I’m a 50/50 player and in my experience he is a lot better now but I made a thread with my feedback on the negatives.
Of course he needs some tweaks, mainly deep wound going down while working on gens.
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@TreemanXD edit; misread, disregard this reply.
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I might play legion again if they give him a wheelchair 😂. Imagine rolling around in frenzy stabbing people. Maybe they can recruit from the nursing home and add grampa Simpson to the squad.
But seriously legion isn't fun to play but I doubt they care much as he isn't the only option. I figure he'll still have all the useless add ons and perks I spent BP on if they ever make him better one day. Until then I'll play different killers.
People will still buy the new skin just not as many as before the nerf.
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I'm sorry, did you say something? Really the only problem I had with original Legion (besides him ignoring just about everything survivors had to defend themselves) is he just destroys your Unbroken emblem while giving you little to no Evader in return. Much like hillbilly, it was waste of time versing him as he would just give nothing for emblems.
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And legion has little to no means of downing you without exploits pre-nerf. Are you really going to reuse the whole “no counterplay” argument that’s been debunked time and time again? He’s meant to be a chaser like billy. If they don’t give enough emblem gains that doesn’t justify making a character unfun. That’s an issue an with the emblems and not legion.
billy wasn’t changed, so again your argument that legion didn’t give emblems is invalid because billy was left 100% in tact and untouched.
Keeping legion in this state doesn't solve your problem, he needs to be changed. Put your bias aside because your individual case of poor emblem earnings has nothing to do with legion being unfun to play.
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I've only play 1 Legion game since the update, but I can agree the vault speed should have been left alone. It feels like crap now. Also I think whiffs should decrease the gauge by like 40% or something instead of the full amount.
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Lol but good sir u act like downvotes mean something
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You better not be intentionally giving me attitude with that first sentence.
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Pretty much in agreement, the vault speed nerf is the worst. Legion's uniqueness came from them giving you a sense of being fast and agile, and it felt good when you were fed up with the slow normal vault of other killers. And the FF movement speed is nearly as bad.
The only thing that HAD to be fixed was the moonwalk exploit. Other than that, the whole outrage about Legion was that a lot of players hated the concept of a killer that can almost inevitably get you, if committed. Plus, though there has always been counterplay, survivors would have had to give up the meta, and they didn't want that.
Legion is still a relatively effective killer. But man, is he boring...
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What killer couldn’t get u if they honestly wanted too?
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O.o hey that attitude of yours just got u a vote up=p
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@George_Soros I am not even sure why making him as fast as before would make him too strong. He still have to suffer a long-ass stun and cannot bodyblock while fatigued. And multiple stabbings don't do ######### anyway.
"Gotta Go Fast" was one of the fun things Legion had going for him before.
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@se05239 yea it's really not even about Legion being strong or not. You just blaze through the map, jumping through vaults as you please, slash relentlessly, feeling formidable and powerful... that experience is gone now. Such a wasted opportunity too: I honestly believe that it would have been possible to leave Legion's core design as it was, while making the moonwalk thing go away, changing Deep Wound mechanic to make it less annoying, and possibly tackling Killer Instinct (give it a counter).
It is what it is now, no way there's gonna be Legion adjustments anytime soon. My biggest worry is that the Freddy rework will take a similar path: I'll be very disappointed if he'll be made stronger but less special.
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@George_Soros I ain't even excited for Freddy's rework. Its doomed from the get-go as long as the developers seek to make "fun" killers. They'd need to get back to their roots and make killers like Nurse, Huntress and Billy again. Where you feel STRONG and POWERFUL with but still have weaknesses that can be exploited.
You don't feel like you're a strong killer when playing the new Legion due to how much handicaps are attached to his power.
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Am I the only one that actually likes this Legion? Vault speed was nerfed a little but not by much and the fact that you use your power to get the first hit then follow and cancel to get an easy down is fun. Not to mention Legion like Doc makes a crap ton of blood points. The original was just unplayable unless you used exploits. This one is viable even though they are just a typical M1 killer.
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Not to mention that if you find someone with Killer Instinct and that person starts running, you'll never catch them... His FF ms is awful.
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I dunno I find playing Legion more rewarding because it doesn't feel like my kills are being handed to me. I like to feel like I've earned each chase, each down, each hook and each sacrifice.
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I know, legion does not feel like they should be able to do everything a survivor can, they just feel like a killer that was made to annoy survivors now, yes he can still get a free hit but come on, deep wounds sounds like deep heal
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Nurse on PS4.
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@smappdooda Watch me, I will 4k with nurse with only blinking
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Actually, we all played it and we gave positive feedback.
There was a large part of the community that were grateful for the changes. Everything about Legion was awful, getting chased 'til death, getting tunneled, moonwalked, longer mending bar.
The most messed up thing about him was when your mending bar was depleted and you were still mending he would start a chase, stop the mend and drop to the dying state.
How broken af was that.
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@CallMeSpidey Which gives me reason to believe you didn't read all the post.
While the op mentioned DW, they more or less were focused on movement speed instead of a mechanic that shouldn't exist.
I gave my feedback, I was happy with some, and not happy with some as well. But can we just all agree slow Frenzy and Vaulting feels awful? Keep the damned stun but honestly I want FF to be great again.
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You don’t speak for anyone but yourself. YOU GAVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK. Read the whole post and try again.
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@DarkWo1f997 They did it, they nerfed mettle of man!
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link?
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The vaulting and FF ms nerfs honestly were too much when it came to the Legion changes. Part of the fun of Legion was that mad dash style of play he had. It made playing him exciting. I have played 3 games post Legion nerf and honestly, without even a minor movement buff, I probably wont play him again. It killed what was unique and fun of the characters.
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Honestly I think Legion is in a fantastic place right now and I've never had so much fun with him. Easily my second favorite to play now.
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It is being discussed
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While I agree his vault speed is a little slow, claiming this completely ruined Legion, even asking "Did you guys even play test him?" is passive aggressive and should be dismissed with how many straws you're trying to grasp.
If you don't want to worry about vaults, run Iridescent Button and Bamboozle.
If ya can't get IB, Enduring/Spirit Fury.
Add BBQ onto that and you got a pseudo meta build.
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Because cookie cutter M1 Killers are super exciting and fun.
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You can thank all the exploiters. I have people that swear legion got a buff. Go figure.
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He's a killer with a sprint ability. He was a survivor with a knife from the start.
But he's a bloodthirsty survivor in a more balanced and balancable state. Which was the intention of the rework.
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There was some things in the rework that I think they took a lil to far. The biggest thing that needed reworked was deep wounds imo. Sucks to lose your whole bar on a miss, maybe like half would have been good, or had some add ons that would reduce the miss depletion. And not being able to see the deep wound timer makes new Frank's mix useless, I still dont know how it works. But all in all I still like them I just still think it needs some more tweaking.
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Still had three people dc against me when I played legion so I think he is fine
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I’m a PS4 nurse main, I can still catch you.
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Old habits die hard.
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If he was meant to be that boring, people would just play Nea.
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Welcome to last November when all Survivors were nerfed with the Lighting changes.
Devs didn't care what we thought.
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@TreemanXD you are like a unicorn 😮 I never see nurse's on ps4
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Didn’t realize heart to heart light hearted criticism was passive aggressive. You’re just choosing to be sensitive about it and take it that way. I already said I don’t mean to demean or belittle anyone, and that I love BHVR and DBD.
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Hit the nail right on the head. +1.
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You sure? Cuz last time I checked they listened to that feedback, wasn’t that revealed to be caused by another slight engine upgrade? And they listened about legion as well. They even made pallet stuns easier AGAIN.
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