HAG BUFF O_O

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Wanna make a video about hag buff suggestions . if you have any idea on how to buff the hag to make her more fun to play pls tell me

Runiver · May 2018

The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Runiver said:

The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.

We can't really tell until we test it

MeowLux · May 2018

Bringing her movement speed to the speed of normal killers would be a pretty nice buff. Possibly make it so that her add-on "Rusty Shackles" is just a base thing, the add-on removes the hag trap jumpscare and doesn't give any notification for survivors that they activated a trap, which would make it more of a jumpscare than anything, because if the Hag decides to appear then you'll get hit out of nowhere becoming a much more intense jumpscare. The vaccuum removal as Runiver said will be a huge buff for her for sure.

Runiver · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.

We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.
We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.

We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.
We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

You see the point is even if that come up still hag isn't as good as killers like billy , nurse , huntress . I'm talking about a change that can actually make her playable in front of so many good survivors out there . honestly when I play against hag I think I'm the killer . first I try to find her on map then the fun begins . I juke her for ages . especially when it comes to maps like coldwind farm . so even if vacuum is gonna change that's not gonna turn her from ship to worshiped O_o

Runiver · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:
The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.
We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.

We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:
The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.
We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.

We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

You see the point is even if that come up still hag isn't as good as killers like billy , nurse , huntress . I'm talking about a change that can actually make her playable in front of so many good survivors out there . honestly when I play against hag I think I'm the killer . first I try to find her on map then the fun begins . I juke her for ages . especially when it comes to maps like coldwind farm . so even if vacuum is gonna change that's not gonna turn her from ship to worshiped O_o

I consider Hag to be as strong, if not strongest than Huntress.
I play her regularly at rank 1.

She's just hard to play and VERY hard to learn.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Runiver said:
@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:
The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.
We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.

We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:
The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.
We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.

We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

You see the point is even if that come up still hag isn't as good as killers like billy , nurse , huntress . I'm talking about a change that can actually make her playable in front of so many good survivors out there . honestly when I play against hag I think I'm the killer . first I try to find her on map then the fun begins . I juke her for ages . especially when it comes to maps like coldwind farm . so even if vacuum is gonna change that's not gonna turn her from ship to worshiped O_o
I consider Hag to be as strong, if not strongest than Huntress.
I play her regularly at rank 1.

She's just hard to play and VERY hard to learn.
Runiver said:
@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:
The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.
We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.

We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:
The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.
We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.

We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

You see the point is even if that come up still hag isn't as good as killers like billy , nurse , huntress . I'm talking about a change that can actually make her playable in front of so many good survivors out there . honestly when I play against hag I think I'm the killer . first I try to find her on map then the fun begins . I juke her for ages . especially when it comes to maps like coldwind farm . so even if vacuum is gonna change that's not gonna turn her from ship to worshiped O_o
I consider Hag to be as strong, if not strongest than Huntress.
I play her regularly at rank 1.

She's just hard to play and VERY hard to learn.Runiver said:
@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:
The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.
We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.

We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:
The vacuum removal is actually gonna gonna be a huge hag buff tbh.
We can't really tell until we test it

Well, from the images they showed, you can already tell it's gonna be pretty big for her.

We'll see if they actually change it tho, we'll test that tomorrow.

You see the point is even if that come up still hag isn't as good as killers like billy , nurse , huntress . I'm talking about a change that can actually make her playable in front of so many good survivors out there . honestly when I play against hag I think I'm the killer . first I try to find her on map then the fun begins . I juke her for ages . especially when it comes to maps like coldwind farm . so even if vacuum is gonna change that's not gonna turn her from ship to worshiped O_o
I consider Hag to be as strong, if not strongest than Huntress.
I play her regularly at rank 1.

She's just hard to play and VERY hard to learn.
Hag - huntress O_O . Dude don't even say it . hag is considered calss c character , huntress is a class a , hag is just to slow and takes a long time to set up you can never compare her to huntress . if you are surviving rank 1 as hag I must admit you're the luckiest person I've ever met . in front of survivors who know what they're doing even billy doesn't stand a chance . looks like every 1 forgot "depip squad " .

Runiver · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
Hag - huntress O_O . Dude don't even say it . hag is considered calss c character , huntress is a class a , hag is just to slow and takes a long time to set up you can never compare her to huntress . if you are surviving rank 1 as hag I must admit you're the luckiest person I've ever met . in front of survivors who know what they're doing even billy doesn't stand a chance . looks like every 1 forgot "depip squad " .

I'm not even one of the best hag player out there. I'm just pretty decent with her and started learning her a few months ago.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
Hag - huntress O_O . Dude don't even say it . hag is considered calss c character , huntress is a class a , hag is just to slow and takes a long time to set up you can never compare her to huntress . if you are surviving rank 1 as hag I must admit you're the luckiest person I've ever met . in front of survivors who know what they're doing even billy doesn't stand a chance . looks like every 1 forgot "depip squad " .

"Class C" in your opinion. For a lot of experienced killers, she's actually considered as very strong when properly used.
I'm not sure about my "luck" when I can consistently 3-4k at rank 1 with her.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1396334019
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1396334261
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1396334527
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1356662886
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1356663063
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1356662469
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1352802601
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1381428150
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1376122832

I'm not even one of the best hag player out there. I'm just pretty decent with her and started learning her a few months ago.

From survivors score in the screenshots it completely obvious that in all of them but 1 survivors didn't actually do anything . so as I said in front of people who know what they're doing .

Runiver · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
SNIP

In front of actual survivors, no killer stands a chance except maybe for Nurse with NOED, the only thing that actually killed the Depip squad.
Tho, these guys were more than decent, usually 2k+ hours and a lot of them with (legit) Legacy.

You can try to deny the facts all you want tho. Everyone is free to have an opinion, after all.
And yes, some survivors get "ruined", as Hag is actually good at NOT LETTING PEOPLE GET AWAY FROM HER, which can lead to some people having pretty poor scores overall. Having a bad rounds doesn't equal being a bad player.

But as I said, think what you want. I'd be glad to have a Hag buff, like most hag players around.

Lavernne · May 2018

Since it is so easy to destroy her traps with a flashlight, it might not be so bad to increase the port range to the triggered traps (or even omit completely).

@MeowLux said:
Bringing her movement speed to the speed of normal killers would be a pretty nice buff.

That would also be nice.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
SNIP

In front of actual survivors, no killer stands a chance except maybe for Nurse with NOED, the only thing that actually killed the Depip squad.
Tho, these guys were more than decent, usually 2k+ hours and a lot of them with (legit) Legacy.

You can try to deny the facts all you want tho. Everyone is free to have an opinion, after all.
And yes, some survivors get "ruined", as Hag is actually good at NOT LETTING PEOPLE GET AWAY FROM HER, which can lead to some people having pretty poor scores overall. Having a bad rounds doesn't equal being a bad player.

But as I said, think what you want. I'd be glad to have a Hag buff, like most hag players around.

Its not just about " depip squad" with the survivors score on the screenshots it means that they didn't even repair 2 gens and get the hatch spawned . that means altruistic survivors . I have a lot of game where i don't get to even move away from hooked person because someone s right beside me . those type of survivors don't count for judging a killer being strong . from all screenshots you have there is only 1 of them that can possibly be a good example of survivors which we can't really tell because of the fact we don't know what happens in that mach and which map it was .

Techn0 · May 2018

Hag>Huntress.
Huntress is extremely overrated because she can stop some loops. She still gets destroyed by any tall loop, the auto-haven trucks, low movement speed, nonexistent tracking ability. She has a good chase on some maps but, honestly stopping some loops does not make a killer A tier.
Hag on the other hand has the superior map control due to her traps, a much smaller window to hide especially with monitor and abuse, the ability to get a free hit on a fairly large number of loops. The only thing huntress is better at is time management and chases on a select few maps. Hag is the better killer she just takes much more time to learn.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Techn0 said:

Hag>Huntress.
Huntress is extremely overrated because she can stop some loops. She still gets destroyed by any tall loop, the auto-haven trucks, low movement speed, nonexistent tracking ability. She has a good chase on some maps but, honestly stopping some loops does not make a killer A tier.
Hag on the other hand has the superior map control due to her traps, a much smaller window to hide especially with monitor and abuse, the ability to get a free hit on a fairly large number of loops. The only thing huntress is better at is time management and chases on a select few maps. Hag is the better killer she just takes much more time to learn.

So tell me hag in coldwind farm

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

HIPSTERLION said:

Techn0 said:

Hag>Huntress.
Huntress is extremely overrated because she can stop some loops. She still gets destroyed by any tall loop, the auto-haven trucks, low movement speed, nonexistent tracking ability. She has a good chase on some maps but, honestly stopping some loops does not make a killer A tier.
Hag on the other hand has the superior map control due to her traps, a much smaller window to hide especially with monitor and abuse, the ability to get a free hit on a fairly large number of loops. The only thing huntress is better at is time management and chases on a select few maps. Hag is the better killer she just takes much more time to learn.

So tell me hag in coldwind farm

Each killer has its own weakpoints . bringing the fact that tall loops counters huntress doesn't have anything to do with hag .

Runiver · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

SNIP

In front of actual survivors, no killer stands a chance except maybe for Nurse with NOED, the only thing that actually killed the Depip squad.

Tho, these guys were more than decent, usually 2k+ hours and a lot of them with (legit) Legacy.

You can try to deny the facts all you want tho. Everyone is free to have an opinion, after all.

And yes, some survivors get "ruined", as Hag is actually good at NOT LETTING PEOPLE GET AWAY FROM HER, which can lead to some people having pretty poor scores overall. Having a bad rounds doesn't equal being a bad player.

But as I said, think what you want. I'd be glad to have a Hag buff, like most hag players around.

Its not just about " depip squad" with the survivors score on the screenshots it means that they didn't even repair 2 gens and get the hatch spawned . that means altruistic survivors . I have a lot of game where i don't get to even move away from hooked person because someone s right beside me . those type of survivors don't count for judging a killer being strong . from all screenshots you have there is only 1 of them that can possibly be a good example of survivors which we can't really tell because of the fact we don't know what happens in that mach and which map it was .

So when survivors get 10-16k they didn't repair 2 gens ?
Your logic is kinda flawed.

Techn0 · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
HIPSTERLION said:

Techn0 said:

Hag>Huntress.

Huntress is extremely overrated because she can stop some loops. She still gets destroyed by any tall loop, the auto-haven trucks, low movement speed, nonexistent tracking ability. She has a good chase on some maps but, honestly stopping some loops does not make a killer A tier.

Hag on the other hand has the superior map control due to her traps, a much smaller window to hide especially with monitor and abuse, the ability to get a free hit on a fairly large number of loops. The only thing huntress is better at is time management and chases on a select few maps. Hag is the better killer she just takes much more time to learn.

So tell me hag in coldwind farm

Each killer has its own weakpoints . bringing the fact that tall loops counters huntress doesn't have anything to do with hag .

The point is huntress has so many weaknesses compared to hag. Hag sucks on coldwind sure but, she excels on the majority of the other maps. Huntress has something on almost every single map that messes with her. Coldwind has the loops around the hay bales, Auto-haven has the trucks, etc; Huntress simply does not have the ability to succeed in a game with lots of stealth players, she can't win on certain maps unless the survivors royally mess up. Huntress is absolutely horrible at everything except chases but even then some loops can ruin the match for her. She's extremely overrated.

MeowLux · May 2018

@Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
SNIP

In front of actual survivors, no killer stands a chance except maybe for Nurse with NOED, the only thing that actually killed the Depip squad.
Tho, these guys were more than decent, usually 2k+ hours and a lot of them with (legit) Legacy.

You can try to deny the facts all you want tho. Everyone is free to have an opinion, after all.
And yes, some survivors get "ruined", as Hag is actually good at NOT LETTING PEOPLE GET AWAY FROM HER, which can lead to some people having pretty poor scores overall. Having a bad rounds doesn't equal being a bad player.

But as I said, think what you want. I'd be glad to have a Hag buff, like most hag players around.

TL;DR Mint Rag + Rusty Shackles combo can win you games even though exits are powered and only 1 guy dead. I'd say Hag is pretty decent from that experience.

I played 1 game of Hag with the best add-on combo (Mint Rag and Rusty Shackles) against rank 10 survivors due to a mori daily. (I used to main Hag when she came out, now I never play her.) I put on Ebony Mori due to the daily. I didn't really have good perks either. I had Deerstalker, Devour Hope, Distressing and Nurses Calling. It also was Groaning Storehouse...
I trapped my hex totem and proceeded to get looped for a few minutes. Gens were popping real quickly. I get a hook off put a trap under the hook and my Hex totem gets destroyed. Exits are powered so I put 2 traps on each exit. I get to mori the guy I hooked and get another on the hook. I catch somebody trying to open up an exit due to Shackles. Hook her too takes a bit both get unhooked mori them both and injure the last guy he runs off. I trap the hatch and areas near it. Catched last guy and mori'd him.
Then the guy who was about to escape hatch who I catched got salty and said that Hag is broken. There was also 3 SWF group who said that Hag was completely fine. I mean like yeah, if you play her effectively she is amazing, but she is easily destroyed by competent survivors. I know only 1 game doesn't say much, but for a person who doesn't play Hag at all anymore and doesn't even have amazing perks on her, I'd say she's a solid killer. You might not care about my game experience, but it was an interesting game with that add-on combo.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

SNIP

In front of actual survivors, no killer stands a chance except maybe for Nurse with NOED, the only thing that actually killed the Depip squad.

Tho, these guys were more than decent, usually 2k+ hours and a lot of them with (legit) Legacy.

You can try to deny the facts all you want tho. Everyone is free to have an opinion, after all.

And yes, some survivors get "ruined", as Hag is actually good at NOT LETTING PEOPLE GET AWAY FROM HER, which can lead to some people having pretty poor scores overall. Having a bad rounds doesn't equal being a bad player.

But as I said, think what you want. I'd be glad to have a Hag buff, like most hag players around.

Its not just about " depip squad" with the survivors score on the screenshots it means that they didn't even repair 2 gens and get the hatch spawned . that means altruistic survivors . I have a lot of game where i don't get to even move away from hooked person because someone s right beside me . those type of survivors don't count for judging a killer being strong . from all screenshots you have there is only 1 of them that can possibly be a good example of survivors which we can't really tell because of the fact we don't know what happens in that mach and which map it was .

So when survivors get 10-16k they didn't repair 2 gens ?
Your logic is kinda flawed.

Its 7 not 16k . considering the fact that you get 1.5 k for save yes it does mean that .

Runiver · May 2018

@Techn0 said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
HIPSTERLION said:

Techn0 said:

Hag>Huntress.

Huntress is extremely overrated because she can stop some loops. She still gets destroyed by any tall loop, the auto-haven trucks, low movement speed, nonexistent tracking ability. She has a good chase on some maps but, honestly stopping some loops does not make a killer A tier.

Hag on the other hand has the superior map control due to her traps, a much smaller window to hide especially with monitor and abuse, the ability to get a free hit on a fairly large number of loops. The only thing huntress is better at is time management and chases on a select few maps. Hag is the better killer she just takes much more time to learn.

So tell me hag in coldwind farm

Each killer has its own weakpoints . bringing the fact that tall loops counters huntress doesn't have anything to do with hag .

The point is huntress has so many weaknesses compared to hag. Hag sucks on coldwind sure but, she excels on the majority of the other maps. Huntress has something on almost every single map that messes with her. Coldwind has the loops around the hay bales, Auto-haven has the trucks, etc; Huntress simply does not have the ability to succeed in a game with lots of stealth players, she can't win on certain maps unless the survivors royally mess up. Huntress is absolutely horrible at everything except chases but even then some loops can ruin the match for her. She's extremely overrated.

Why would Hag sucks in coldwind ? She's small and rather hard to spot. With M&A, she has no trouble sneaking on survivors. The main juking spot of half coldwind map is the shack, and the shack is a wonderful place for Hag, especially if it has basement. (Aka Rottenfields, one of her best map)

It would be nice to discuss Hag gameplay with people ACTUALLY playing her, rather than doing some theory on "what is supposedly happening at high ranks against her"

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Techn0 said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
HIPSTERLION said:

Techn0 said:

Hag>Huntress.

Huntress is extremely overrated because she can stop some loops. She still gets destroyed by any tall loop, the auto-haven trucks, low movement speed, nonexistent tracking ability. She has a good chase on some maps but, honestly stopping some loops does not make a killer A tier.

Hag on the other hand has the superior map control due to her traps, a much smaller window to hide especially with monitor and abuse, the ability to get a free hit on a fairly large number of loops. The only thing huntress is better at is time management and chases on a select few maps. Hag is the better killer she just takes much more time to learn.

So tell me hag in coldwind farm

Each killer has its own weakpoints . bringing the fact that tall loops counters huntress doesn't have anything to do with hag .

The point is huntress has so many weaknesses compared to hag. Hag sucks on coldwind sure but, she excels on the majority of the other maps. Huntress has something on almost every single map that messes with her. Coldwind has the loops around the hay bales, Auto-haven has the trucks, etc; Huntress simply does not have the ability to succeed in a game with lots of stealth players, she can't win on certain maps unless the survivors royally mess up. Huntress is absolutely horrible at everything except chases but even then some loops can ruin the match for her. She's extremely overrated.

The win rate doesn't say that . we're talking about actual numbers that say that . if you are a good huntress you never deal with pallet loop that hard that you're saying . I'm a huntress player myself .

Techn0 · May 2018

@Runiver said:

@Techn0 said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
HIPSTERLION said:

Techn0 said:

Hag>Huntress.

Huntress is extremely overrated because she can stop some loops. She still gets destroyed by any tall loop, the auto-haven trucks, low movement speed, nonexistent tracking ability. She has a good chase on some maps but, honestly stopping some loops does not make a killer A tier.

Hag on the other hand has the superior map control due to her traps, a much smaller window to hide especially with monitor and abuse, the ability to get a free hit on a fairly large number of loops. The only thing huntress is better at is time management and chases on a select few maps. Hag is the better killer she just takes much more time to learn.

So tell me hag in coldwind farm

Each killer has its own weakpoints . bringing the fact that tall loops counters huntress doesn't have anything to do with hag .

The point is huntress has so many weaknesses compared to hag. Hag sucks on coldwind sure but, she excels on the majority of the other maps. Huntress has something on almost every single map that messes with her. Coldwind has the loops around the hay bales, Auto-haven has the trucks, etc; Huntress simply does not have the ability to succeed in a game with lots of stealth players, she can't win on certain maps unless the survivors royally mess up. Huntress is absolutely horrible at everything except chases but even then some loops can ruin the match for her. She's extremely overrated.

Why would Hag sucks in coldwind ? She's small and rather hard to spot. With M&A, she has no trouble sneaking on survivors. The main juking spot of half coldwind map is the shack, and the shack is a wonderful place for Hag, especially if it has basement. (Aka Rottenfields, one of her best map)

It would be nice to discuss Hag gameplay with people ACTUALLY playing her, rather than doing some theory on "what is supposedly happening at high ranks against her"

Personally I just hate every killer on cornfield. I feel like hag struggles there but then again I'm far from a really experienced hag and I struggle there as every killer. Not a lot of corners for hag mainly, a lot of the maps are super open so I struggle to find good trap spots other then the obvious shack and cow tree.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

MeowLux said:

@Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
SNIP

In front of actual survivors, no killer stands a chance except maybe for Nurse with NOED, the only thing that actually killed the Depip squad.
Tho, these guys were more than decent, usually 2k+ hours and a lot of them with (legit) Legacy.

You can try to deny the facts all you want tho. Everyone is free to have an opinion, after all.
And yes, some survivors get "ruined", as Hag is actually good at NOT LETTING PEOPLE GET AWAY FROM HER, which can lead to some people having pretty poor scores overall. Having a bad rounds doesn't equal being a bad player.

But as I said, think what you want. I'd be glad to have a Hag buff, like most hag players around.

TL;DR Mint Rag + Rusty Shackles combo can win you games even though exits are powered and only 1 guy dead. I'd say Hag is pretty decent from that experience.

I played 1 game of Hag with the best add-on combo (Mint Rag and Rusty Shackles) against rank 10 survivors due to a mori daily. (I used to main Hag when she came out, now I never play her.) I put on Ebony Mori due to the daily. I didn't really have good perks either. I had Deerstalker, Devour Hope, Distressing and Nurses Calling. It also was Groaning Storehouse...
I trapped my hex totem and proceeded to get looped for a few minutes. Gens were popping real quickly. I get a hook off put a trap under the hook and my Hex totem gets destroyed. Exits are powered so I put 2 traps on each exit. I get to mori the guy I hooked and get another on the hook. I catch somebody trying to open up an exit due to Shackles. Hook her too takes a bit both get unhooked mori them both and injure the last guy he runs off. I trap the hatch and areas near it. Catched last guy and mori'd him.
Then the guy who was about to escape hatch who I catched got salty and said that Hag is broken. There was also 3 SWF group who said that Hag was completely fine. I mean like yeah, if you play her effectively she is amazing, but she is easily destroyed by competent survivors. I know only 1 game doesn't say much, but for a person who doesn't play Hag at all anymore and doesn't even have amazing perks on her, I'd say she's a solid killer. You might not care about my game experience, but it was an interesting game with that add-on combo.

Dude those ad ones doesn't count . it like you judge Michael be tombstone . it's completely different . you are answering yourself by saying ultimate combo . but a hag main can't bring ultimate combo every match .

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Runiver said:

@Techn0 said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
HIPSTERLION said:

Techn0 said:

Hag>Huntress.

Huntress is extremely overrated because she can stop some loops. She still gets destroyed by any tall loop, the auto-haven trucks, low movement speed, nonexistent tracking ability. She has a good chase on some maps but, honestly stopping some loops does not make a killer A tier.

Hag on the other hand has the superior map control due to her traps, a much smaller window to hide especially with monitor and abuse, the ability to get a free hit on a fairly large number of loops. The only thing huntress is better at is time management and chases on a select few maps. Hag is the better killer she just takes much more time to learn.

So tell me hag in coldwind farm

Each killer has its own weakpoints . bringing the fact that tall loops counters huntress doesn't have anything to do with hag .

The point is huntress has so many weaknesses compared to hag. Hag sucks on coldwind sure but, she excels on the majority of the other maps. Huntress has something on almost every single map that messes with her. Coldwind has the loops around the hay bales, Auto-haven has the trucks, etc; Huntress simply does not have the ability to succeed in a game with lots of stealth players, she can't win on certain maps unless the survivors royally mess up. Huntress is absolutely horrible at everything except chases but even then some loops can ruin the match for her. She's extremely overrated.

Why would Hag sucks in coldwind ? She's small and rather hard to spot. With M&A, she has no trouble sneaking on survivors. The main juking spot of half coldwind map is the shack, and the shack is a wonderful place for Hag, especially if it has basement. (Aka Rottenfields, one of her best map)

It would be nice to discuss Hag gameplay with people ACTUALLY playing her, rather than doing some theory on "what is supposedly happening at high ranks against her"

Map is big that means she can't teleport from 1 to distance

TheMatthewLee · May 2018

I miss the old Hag. She used to be really good, but at the same time, kind of OP?
Before, crouching would set off traps. The only way you could disarm a phantasm trap was by walking over it, or using a flashlight. She used to be pretty good when that was a thing. I really think they should bring that back, but it was a little bit broken, so maybe crouching has a 50/50 chance of setting off the trap, or maybe if you crouch directly on the trap, it goes off? I don't know. But I'd love for her to be fast.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:

@Techn0 said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
HIPSTERLION said:

Techn0 said:

Hag>Huntress.

Huntress is extremely overrated because she can stop some loops. She still gets destroyed by any tall loop, the auto-haven trucks, low movement speed, nonexistent tracking ability. She has a good chase on some maps but, honestly stopping some loops does not make a killer A tier.

Hag on the other hand has the superior map control due to her traps, a much smaller window to hide especially with monitor and abuse, the ability to get a free hit on a fairly large number of loops. The only thing huntress is better at is time management and chases on a select few maps. Hag is the better killer she just takes much more time to learn.

So tell me hag in coldwind farm

Each killer has its own weakpoints . bringing the fact that tall loops counters huntress doesn't have anything to do with hag .

The point is huntress has so many weaknesses compared to hag. Hag sucks on coldwind sure but, she excels on the majority of the other maps. Huntress has something on almost every single map that messes with her. Coldwind has the loops around the hay bales, Auto-haven has the trucks, etc; Huntress simply does not have the ability to succeed in a game with lots of stealth players, she can't win on certain maps unless the survivors royally mess up. Huntress is absolutely horrible at everything except chases but even then some loops can ruin the match for her. She's extremely overrated.

Why would Hag sucks in coldwind ? She's small and rather hard to spot. With M&A, she has no trouble sneaking on survivors. The main juking spot of half coldwind map is the shack, and the shack is a wonderful place for Hag, especially if it has basement. (Aka Rottenfields, one of her best map)

It would be nice to discuss Hag gameplay with people ACTUALLY playing her, rather than doing some theory on "what is supposedly happening at high ranks against her"

Map is big that means she can't teleport from 1 to distance

Besides you go in cornfield then juke hag for ages . AGES !!!!

Runiver · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
Map is big that means she can't teleport from 1 to distance

The cornfield isn't bigger than other realms.
https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Realms

It's actually very average.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

TheMatthewLee said:

I miss the old Hag. She used to be really good, but at the same time, kind of OP?
Before, crouching would set off traps. The only way you could disarm a phantasm trap was by walking over it, or using a flashlight. She used to be pretty good when that was a thing. I really think they should bring that back, but it was a little bit broken, so maybe crouching has a 50/50 chance of setting off the trap, or maybe if you crouch directly on the trap, it goes off? I don't know. But I'd love for her to be fast.

That's the fact that some people just don't want to see . there's a lot of way to counter hag . hope i can bring good ideas for devs so we can make her as good as some tier 1 killers .

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
Map is big that means she can't teleport from 1 to distance

The cornfield isn't bigger than other realms.
https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Realms

It's actually very average.

Yeah and then you go in cornfield you turn into a blind man .

Runiver · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Map is big that means she can't teleport from 1 to distance

The cornfield isn't bigger than other realms.

https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Realms

It's actually very average.

Yeah and then you go in cornfield you turn into a blind man .

I don't see the difference between Hag and other killers in that regard. The lower FOV hag has is actually very convenient to see through cracks, and find crouching survivors in the cornfields, as well as see through planks in generator spots.
Not sure what's your point right there.

Runiver · May 2018

@TheMatthewLee said:
I miss the old Hag. She used to be really good, but at the same time, kind of OP?
Before, crouching would set off traps. The only way you could disarm a phantasm trap was by walking over it, or using a flashlight. She used to be pretty good when that was a thing. I really think they should bring that back, but it was a little bit broken, so maybe crouching has a 50/50 chance of setting off the trap, or maybe if you crouch directly on the trap, it goes off? I don't know. But I'd love for her to be fast.

Old Hag was terrible. Her Teleport had a stun on arrival, allowing the survivor to get some distance before you could attack.

Now, playing Hag looks like this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMspG5QwGrs&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnefmgqNvxA

Just tell me exactly what's the counters to this, because I'm actually kinda curious.

Unless you got a friend roaming over the map waving his flashlight for half the match, that is. Then yeah, it might be a slightly annoying round for her for sure.

MeowLux · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:

Dude those ad ones doesn't count . it like you judge Michael be tombstone . it's completely different . you are answering yourself by saying ultimate combo . but a hag main can't bring ultimate combo every match .

I guess you're right, but still. I've played her before and I know she is good. You need a lot of game sense to make correct use out of her. I just feel like Rusty Shackles should be a base thing for her.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Map is big that means she can't teleport from 1 to distance

The cornfield isn't bigger than other realms.

https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Realms

It's actually very average.

Yeah and then you go in cornfield you turn into a blind man .

I don't see the difference between Hag and other killers in that regard. The lower FOV hag has is actually very convenient to see through cracks, and find crouching survivors in the cornfields, as well as see through planks in generator spots.
Not sure what's your point right there.

With you saying that I became sure that you're not a hag player . these are the facts that evey hag player knows . losing a survivor is much easier with hag because she's short so if she is already needed in that way we should buff her in other ways . and that's not the only thing there is just so many ways to counter the hag .

Techn0 · May 2018

@MeowLux said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Dude those ad ones doesn't count . it like you judge Michael be tombstone . it's completely different . you are answering yourself by saying ultimate combo . but a hag main can't bring ultimate combo every match .

I guess you're right, but still. I've played her before and I know she is good. You need a lot of game sense to make correct use out of her. I just feel like Rusty Shackles should be a base thing for her.

Rusty shackles removes the camera shift towards the phantasm which is extremely important to her play style. The add on hinders her a lot imo

MeowLux · May 2018

@Techn0 said:

@MeowLux said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Dude those ad ones doesn't count . it like you judge Michael be tombstone . it's completely different . you are answering yourself by saying ultimate combo . but a hag main can't bring ultimate combo every match .

I guess you're right, but still. I've played her before and I know she is good. You need a lot of game sense to make correct use out of her. I just feel like Rusty Shackles should be a base thing for her.

Rusty shackles removes the camera shift towards the phantasm which is extremely important to her play style. The add on hinders her a lot imo

Not in my opinion. You can trap the exit gates, generators, totems, anything. And if they don't expect it that's an easy catch for you. In my opinion Rusty Shackles helps a lot, but camera shift does help in some situations that I know. I just feel like she should be a bit more stealthy due to her being smaller in size and having lower heartbeat too.

Runiver · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
SNIP

Yeah, I totally did not play Hags on a daily basis for several months for sure, right ?
Being short puts her at a disadvantage in some cases, but for mindgames, it's actually a HUGE advantages. ANd it also allows her to see through a lot of cracks and walls, especially the shack.

ThePloopz · May 2018

TheMatthewLee said:

I miss the old Hag. She used to be really good, but at the same time, kind of OP?
Before, crouching would set off traps. The only way you could disarm a phantasm trap was by walking over it, or using a flashlight. She used to be pretty good when that was a thing. I really think they should bring that back, but it was a little bit broken, so maybe crouching has a 50/50 chance of setting off the trap, or maybe if you crouch directly on the trap, it goes off? I don't know. But I'd love for her to be fast.

The only problem with the 50/50 things is that as a survivor you would feel cheated because you didn’t make a mistake and she didn’t make a good play to get. So to me I wouldn’t feel like she got me I’d feel like the game got me for her since it’s random whether the trap goes off or not

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

HIPSTERLION said:

Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:

Map is big that means she can't teleport from 1 to distance

The cornfield isn't bigger than other realms.

https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Realms

It's actually very average.

Yeah and then you go in cornfield you turn into a blind man .

I don't see the difference between Hag and other killers in that regard. The lower FOV hag has is actually very convenient to see through cracks, and find crouching survivors in the cornfields, as well as see through planks in generator spots.
Not sure what's your point right there.

With you saying that I became sure that you're not a hag player . these are the facts that evey hag player knows . losing a survivor is much easier with hag because she's short so if she is already needed in that way we should buff her in other ways . and that's not the only thing there is just so many ways to counter the hag .

You're just bringing up top plays I'm so done you are avoiding the facts and you answer my question with another question . hag isn't a top tier killer and every1 knows that .

Soren · May 2018

@MeowLux said:
Possibly make it so that her add-on "Rusty Shackles" is just a base thing

That would be a nerf.

MeowLux · May 2018

@Runiver said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
SNIP

Yeah, I totally did not play Hags on a daily basis for several months for sure, right ?
Being short puts her at a disadvantage in some cases, but for mindgames, it's actually a HUGE advantages. ANd it also allows her to see through a lot of cracks and walls, especially the shack.

Her being short makes it incredibly hard to play on maps like the Swamp or Lampkin Lane due to the fences being as tall as you. But I definetly agree on her being shorter makes her a lot more easier to mindgame with. I've noticed that when playing Hag before that corn wasn't even there, it felt like I could see through it completely. Although I don't suffer from corn blindness as Hag it's basically like the corn wasn't there lol. 8-)

Soren · May 2018

@TheMatthewLee said:
But I'd love for her to be fast.

She's fast in her own way, like the Nurse is. You guys should remember that you can start a chase instantly 32m away from a survivor...

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Soren said:

@MeowLux said:
Possibly make it so that her add-on "Rusty Shackles" is just a base thing

That would be a nerf.

Agreed

Runiver · May 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
You're just bringing up top plays I'm so done you are avoiding the facts and you answer my question with another question . hag isn't a top tier killer and every1 knows that .

So your final argument is "Everyone knows that"
Ok.

I don't answer your questions with other questions tho, as my questions are purely rhetorical as the answer is pretty straighforward considering the video : There is very few counters for survivors in that situation. And that makes her pretty strong compared to some killers, if not most of them, if the trap placement is good and if you plan ahead.

MeowLux · May 2018

@Soren said:

@MeowLux said:
Possibly make it so that her add-on "Rusty Shackles" is just a base thing

That would be a nerf.

I understand where you are coming from, but I'd like if it was atleast lower tier in rarity so it would be more common to use for people who want to use it. (If add-ons are supposed to make you stronger then ######### is the scarred hand for or even the speed limiter for Hillbilly?)

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

MeowLux said:

@Soren said:

@MeowLux said:
Possibly make it so that her add-on "Rusty Shackles" is just a base thing

That would be a nerf.

I understand where you are coming from, but I'd like if it was atleast lower tier in rarity so it would be more common to use for people who want to use it. (If add-ons are supposed to make you stronger then ######### is the scarred hand for or even the speed limiter for Hillbilly?)

Exactly XD .Its like 1 hot shot challenge XD just don't remove it I want to make a video for that challenge lol.

Runiver · May 2018

@MeowLux said:

@Soren said:

@MeowLux said:
Possibly make it so that her add-on "Rusty Shackles" is just a base thing

That would be a nerf.

I understand where you are coming from, but I'd like if it was atleast lower tier in rarity so it would be more common to use for people who want to use it. (If add-ons are supposed to make you stronger then ######### is the scarred hand for or even the speed limiter for Hillbilly?)

Scarred hand is an artefact from the old meta where infinites were a thing, so blocking them with a phantasm would actually be rather beneficial.
Tho, devs didn't calculate that the downsides would be too huge. Similarly to her previous teleporting animation that was way too slow.

They were just scared about creating a Nurse 2.0. And did not have the balls Ash had when he created the Nurse. (Ash was gone on the developpement of Deathgarden by the time the Hag DLC came out. No wonder the killer is actually strong right there.)

Soren · May 2018

@MeowLux said:

@Soren said:

@MeowLux said:
Possibly make it so that her add-on "Rusty Shackles" is just a base thing

That would be a nerf.

I understand where you are coming from, but I'd like if it was atleast lower tier in rarity so it would be more common to use for people who want to use it. (If add-ons are supposed to make you stronger then ######### is the scarred hand for or even the speed limiter for Hillbilly?)

Okay, I see your point now. About rarity, I don't know what to tell - her brown addons are stronger than her green ones lol. Scarred Hand is a joke, I would love a revamp of her purple / pink addons so that they're just straight up buff - like for this one: phantasms have now collision, and that's it - no speed reduction, you can still teleport, etc.

But to go back on topic. A several buff ideas I had:

Dead Fly Mud and brown necklet AT LEAST in her base kit. She should be the queen of map control, especially since she WASTES time building her power.
She can teleport during her attack cooldown animation. Doesn't shorten the animation, but helps her to catch up faster.
Increased post-teleport lunge, regardless of your momentum (like the old Nurse)
(Optional) Makes the trap face the survivor by default if you insta-teleport
Fix her bugs (lol)

That would make her closer to Nurse in the tier list.

HIPSTERLION · May 2018

Soren said:

@MeowLux said:

@Soren said:

@MeowLux said:
Possibly make it so that her add-on "Rusty Shackles" is just a base thing

That would be a nerf.

I understand where you are coming from, but I'd like if it was atleast lower tier in rarity so it would be more common to use for people who want to use it. (If add-ons are supposed to make you stronger then ######### is the scarred hand for or even the speed limiter for Hillbilly?)

Okay, I see your point now. About rarity, I don't know what to tell - her brown addons are stronger than her green ones lol. Scarred Hand is a joke, I would love a revamp of her purple / pink addons so that they're just straight up buff - like for this one: phantasms have now collision, and that's it - no speed reduction, you can still teleport, etc.

But to go back on topic. A several buff ideas I had:

Dead Fly Mud and brown necklet AT LEAST in her base kit. She should be the queen of map control, especially since she WASTES time building her power.

She can teleport during her attack cooldown animation. Doesn't shorten the animation, but helps her to catch up faster.

Increased post-teleport lunge, regardless of your momentum (like the old Nurse)

(Optional) Makes the trap face the survivor by default if you insta-teleport

Fix her bugs (lol)

That would make her closer to Nurse in the tier list.

Thanks for sharing your idea . I hope we get a good buff on her to makes her more balanced

TheLegendDyl4n1 · August 2018

@HIPSTERLION said:
Wanna make a video about hag buff suggestions . if you have any idea on how to buff the hag to make her more fun to play pls tell me

i think a good buff would be to make her move 99.99999999 percent slower and then remove her from the game..... JK maybe increase her traps

Judgement · August 2018

TheLegendDyl4n1 said:

@HIPSTERLION said:
Wanna make a video about hag buff suggestions . if you have any idea on how to buff the hag to make her more fun to play pls tell me

i think a good buff would be to make her move 99.99999999 percent slower and then remove her from the game..... JK maybe increase her traps

You necro a two month old thread to ‘jk’ something?

HAG BUFF O_O

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