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What are the killers that are viable without add-on?
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Well, there's the Nurse.
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Good talk.
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Well..first we start with what killers are viable even WITH addons..which is like 3 or 4 if you're being very generous.
Now in those without addons..nurse.
If you're playing against bad survivors..all the killers are viable with nothing.
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What @Orion said. I’d argue Hag as well.
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Billy, Nurse, Spirit, Myers.
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Billy is even more loopable without add ons. Myers lol.... Myers is barely viable WITH add ons and some would argue he even isn’t at that . Spirit without add ons has no room of error because she doesn’t have high duration and speed in her base and it takes forever to re charge. Mind games will only take you so far in Spirits base kit IMO.
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In the Green ranks Clown is viable without add-ons. My highest rank is 8 but for a long time Clown was my only Killer with Tier 3 bbq & Chili so he was my Killer for point farming and I played him with no add-ons and did a pretty good job despite my only goal to be getting as much points as possible.
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Trapper without addons; no, you lose too much time without the extra traps.
Wraith: can be played without addons, but still m1 killer
Hillbilly: I would consider him as viable, but harder to control and lost of some power.
Nurse: Absolutely viable +1
Shape (Myers): Can be played without addons, but you really have to manage your EW3 stacking and cutting the chases or you end up as a m1 killer.
Hag: can be used without addons, I just would miss the map pressure with the reduced range. You have to be smart and consider your range and trap setting. Still m1.
Doctor: If you are a god with his shock stuns maybe. Otherwise m1.
Huntress: she is ok if you reliably can hit hatchets.
Cannibal (Bubba): if you manage to get a hook you can camp the hook for extra altruistic downs...but not really sadly...
Nightmare (Freddy): Well Freddy is Freddy.
Pig: Got gutted after EGC. If you manage to pressure the survivors you might have a chance.
Clow (Pogo): lower ranks maybe, but as soon the survivors know how to loop you he becomes a regular m1 killer.
Spirit: If you know how to play her its like playing on hardmode, but still possible.
Legion: No
Plague: Even with addons she is only mid tier. Without its hard to play her.
Yes you can win with every killer without addons if you are extremely good and/or facing potatos.
But if you want reliable wins without being depended on addons go Nurse, but she requires some learning time and skill.
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I think, only Sally, Rin, and Amanda are viable without them, as they don't suffer as much as the rest of the Killers, when they're all without Add-ons.
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Viable is a very broad word.
Nurse, Spirit, Billy, Hag, Huntress, Myers and even Plague can perform without add-ons.
If you're talking who's still STRONG without add-ons, Nurse, Spirit, Billy, Huntress and probably Hag fit the bill.
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Nurse, Spirit, Billy, Hag and Huntress.
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@Acesthetiic she still is fine without addons though. Sure you need to be careful, but she still works effectively.
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@Blueberry Spirit, Hag and Billy do fine without it.
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Against a top tier rank 1 group I disagree. I'm not talking an average run of the mill group.
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Pretty much true, hurts a little as a Myers main but it's accurate. I've used J Myers memorial every match for so long I've basically forgotten how slow stalking is without it (please don't actually remind me, I'm good with forgetting this detail), plus as you get into the higher ranks you need to be able to stalk as fast as possible because survivors get more efficient with LOS blocking. I don't tend to use duration addons though I used to use hair bow a lot when I was fresh but now it's mainly swapped for dead rabbit, at base ew3 is more than enough time if used strategically. This actually sounds like a nice challenge though, see how far I get without addons for once. (seeing as I'm not too interested in plain ranking anyway)
I agree with most above, Billy, nurse, huntress, spirit and potentially hag (although how well would a hag actually do on a large map without distance and duration addons @Poweas and @Cymer you'd have to more so establish a "net/zone" or gen protected area, right? There would have to be a lot more region control, even with where you hook survivors.)
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@Blueberry true actually, they get stomped without addons.
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Nurse, Billy, are Spirit are good even without add-ons.
Hag, Myers, and Huntress are 'viable' without add-ons but will still struggle against good survivors.
All the other killers are in a bad spot with Leatherface, Freddy, and Trapper being in trash tier.
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@Poweas Thanks for the reply, I was just wondering on maps where gens have a very high chance of being spread out like the temple map. I guess you could split the map and keep 1/3rd of it trapped and pressured forcing the survivors to step into the trapped zone eventually. I'll have to try out some new tactics with my hag I usually use her as a area defence/anti looper, I've recently started M&A on her but was going to prestige due to lack of addons and why not she hasn't got amazing perks right now anyway and gets ruin and H:DH back anyway but might wait until I get spirit levelled for haunted grounds, this would be a good opportunity for a fresh start on different ways to play her.
I really need to devote some more hours to killer though. Haven't had a full killer weekend session in a long time mostly because of the sound issues/DCs etc...😔
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Just addons, specifically? Most of the killers, imo. It's all about the killers with the least impacting addons, but effective baseline powers.
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What's the definition of viable? 4k at rank 1 against SWF team of 4?
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@Poweas I don’t consider her viable against GOOD survivors without add ons. She doesn’t have very good map pressure or hook pressure in her base. And with it taking so long to get your power back, its tough to see Spirit having much success. I still love her though.
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At Rank 1??
Maybe just 2 or 3 without addons, but you should have a solid perk build. And even then, only in experienced hands.
Nurse, Billy, Spirit
Huntress (maybe, in some maps)
I don't know if Hag would do well without her BS-teleport-from-anywhere stuff
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I think only the most skilled and experienced players would consistently do that, even with addons.
I would say viable is the golden 2 - 2 at Rank 1 against a strong team.
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Maybe killers that can still have fun while playing with SWF? I don't like standing there helplessly watching SWF T-bagging and finish the game within 5 mins
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@Acesthetiic I literally face good survivors and SWF all the time as her base. Sometimes use OP addons if they got 4 tooboxes, but that's irrelevant.
She honestly does fine. I agree with the map and hook pressure though. The cooldown is fine if you can quickly chain hits and know when to drop a chase.
She can be really successful but you gotta be skilled af. It's why I play her. I'm a decent Spirit but I have no challenge with addons. At least without addons the whole game is skill based and MY mistakes make ME lose.
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Nurse, Hillbilly, Pig I guess.
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Pig?
Poor Piggy, her viability is compromised even with her most powerful add-ons. I can't picture her posing an actual threat at baseline vs a good team.
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Eh, I think she is.
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nurse, billy, spirit, huntress and hag.
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It depends what you mean with viable. If you mean they can still 4k, probably only nurse, huntress, billy (but with q and e steering tec), and spirit. But if you mean that addonless they're pretty much the same than with addons, i would add pig (since all of her trap addons are now trash, and they adjusted her ambush so combat strap+video tape isnt so game changing), and hag.
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from the top of my head:
- Nurse *
- Billy
- Huntress
- Myers
- Hag *
- Pig *
- Legion *
- Plague *
- Leatherface (lets be honest: besides his speed add ons you wont really get any use out of them anyways, so you could also just play without any...)
not all of these have the same powerlevel, but id say you can play them without add ons pretty decently.
killers i do not play on a regular basis are marked with a star. i could be wrong with these. please keep that in mind.
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Honestly all killers are pretty much add-on dependent (in my opinion) but i would say Nurse, Billy, Huntress & Myers are pretty good without them.
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The only killers that really depend on their addons are Wraith, Doctor, Cannibal, Nightmare, and Clown. Everyone else is pretty alright without addons.
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When did they adjust her ambush?
Like I have a lot to say about most of what you just said, but that is the main thing I am confused about?
They changed her Combat Straps while buffing her crouching speed. I did not see anything about changing her ambush or how video tape works.
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I use Legion without add on's because what the hell is the point of Legion add on's.
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4-man hyper tryhard rank 1 groups shouldn't be a standard of comparison for anything because it's the least common scenario.
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Nurse. That's it.
Every other killer has significant disadvantages to their baseline power that can be played around by competent survivors.
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@Poweas Not upset man. And maybe you’re not either. Let’s just agree to disagree.
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@Acesthetiic I should have said that so long ago XD.
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@Poweas We both should’ve :)
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@Acesthetiic cya <3
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@poweas Wow, I guess the devs didn’t think so highly of our conversation.
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@Poweas BTW I revisited Spirit without add ons. You can’t be nice to the survivors, but she does seem to be viable.
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If we are talking about the best of the best Survivors, not even Nurse is viable at Rank 1.
Depip squad proved that a year ago.
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Huntess, Nurse, Hillbilly, are the best and really effective with base power's (And even more so with add-ons) killers like Freddy and trapper rely highly on their add-ons
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Nurse, Billy and Spirit are obvious ones.
They're mostly fair and balance in their default power. But addons are what can make them borderline broke, at least to the level that survivors are used to. Seeing as how much weaker most of the killer roster is.
Secondary killers I would say that do mostly fine without addons are; Huntress and maybe Pig.
Huntress is mostly fine as is. Pig sadly has bad addons that don't really do anything since more than two thirds of them rely on RNG.
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I would say Amanda.
Mostly because her I don't so kind of useless.
Ever since the endgame change a lot of the Trap based addons add-ons lost a lot of power and usefulness.
They still do the job at slowing down the game when used before the generators are popped add-ons or not. But without the instant activation of endgame things like tampered timer and the extra jigsaw boxes have become more useless
Ever since the adjustment to her crouching combat straps are just a lot less useful.
Besides the first initial sneak attack and using it at a couple of small loops ambush really isn't worth it so video tape and medical file though not useless aren't necessary.
Not Saying Amanda isn't viable she is at least viable though she is rather weak.
It's just that her add-ons don't tend to have that much of an impact so whether you equip them or not it doesn't make much of a difference .
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What was the point of reviving this old thread just to say this...you could have just started a new thread...?
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@Kiskashi Wow... maybe look below and notice thats not all I said? I said the first thing because the devs deleted most of our conversation. There would be no reason to start thread for this lol
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