What is a "win" to you?

Wrecking a 4 man SWF sweat fest then ignoring them in post game chat for a good 5 minutes while they rage, then simply say.

'k'

And close the lobby.

"those perks are broken when multiple survivors have them together in the trial". As in, when survivor A has MoM, Adrenaline, etc., and survivor B has MoM, Adrenaline, etc., and so forth.

@Weederick blood warden tho

Ok everyone who's saying that winning is "having fun" or "playing well" or whatever. That may sound great and all but inevitably makes absolutely no sense as a wincondition. Like try applying that logic to other games.

In league of legends if I have fun then did I win? If so then does having more fun than the other team mean I should get the prize money from a tournament even if they destroyed our base every time? If so then clearly all of these tournaments are doing it wrong and everyone is lying/wrong about their win/loss records. If not then dead by daylight wouldn't be any different. And if "that's different" then prove it.

We aren’t in a tournament.

Besides the point. The point is that you can't use fun or effort to qualify wins.

The part of the games tutorial specifying the wincons. Same as any other game

Do you make up wincons for other games? Would you disagree with someone who said that destroying the enemy base in league was the wincon for that game? Or draining the other players health bar in streetfighter. Win conditions in any competitive game (as opposed to a singleplayer, sandbox or cooperative game) are objective. In fact they are what make the game a competition in the first place.

That mindset is problematic whenever you go to have a discussion. Strength and balance both are in relation to winrate (or at least expected winrate) when discussed in video games.

For example if my wincondition is to kick every generator then my ability to win a chase is completely irrelevant. And if my wincon is to stop the generators from being completed (as survivor) then prove thyself suddenly becomes negative utility while bond is suddenly almost required.

If fun is the wincon then is Nurse really a strong Killer? I know a lot of people that say they don't enjoy playing as Nurse, does that mean she needs buffs?

And what about the Skill level of different players? Since again, in the context of a video game players who are better at optimizing their wincon are by definition better at the game. So does that mean someone who gets jumpstarted every 2 seconds and enjoys it despite always dying immediately is better at the game than a player who can consistently loop the Killer for 5 gens and never gets killed but is also getting board of the game? The first guy seems to be winning more often.

Don't we NOT want fun to be the sole metric for balancing Killers/Perks?

Of course not. If fun is a wincon then fun = OP due to winning too much.

A win to me is when both side's are messaging each other with gg and laughs no hostility just love for the game and respect for one an other regardless of how well either has played nothing says win to me personally 🐷❤️

my win is on both sides if i get 1 pip .. i dont care then if i will survive or have the other people offered to the entity .. just as long i have the first pip.

Ok well then in your eyes is Nurse the strongest Killer or not?

DBD Player on Scrabble: "Yeah, I know you won, but in my eyes, I also won because I had more seven letter words than you."

DBD Player on Chess: "You may have checkmated me, but I had fun taking your Queen, so doesn't that really make me the winner?"

DBD Player on Catan: "I don't care that you got to 10 Victory Points before I did, I had fun getting my Longest Road, therefore, from my perspective, I also won."

DBD Player on Poker: "You may have taken all of my chips, but who is really the winner? I mean, I'm the only one who had a Four-of-a-Kind during the whole playing session."

DBD Player on Werewolf: "The Villager Team may have wiped us out, but we did take out your Fortune Teller on the first turn, soooo who's really the winner?"

DBD Player on Whitehall Mystery: "Sure, you may have caught me in the end, but I had fun looping you the whole time, so surely that also makes me the winner."

DBD Player on Street Fighter 2: "But, really, my personal goal was to get as many throws as possible, and given that I accomplished that goal, doesn't that mean I win, at least from how I see it?

DBD Player on Rock, Paper, and Scissors: "Ok, you may have beaten my Scissors with your Rock, but given how we both had fun, doesn't that make us both winners in the end?"

As killer 2k and up

As survivor it doing gens/unhooking etc. If I die 1st then I consider it a lost

Yes thank you

Here is what the game itself has to say about winning:

Nowhere else in the entire game is the term "win" or "goal" ever used except to refer to escaping or Killing again.

And yes this tutorial has been updated recently. It includes mentions to things like the endgame collapse and hatch closing. So if the wincons had changed since this tutorial was made then the tutorial ought to have been changed to reflect that. Since they weren't that means the wincons are what is stated here.

If I had fun, got enough Bloodpoints and generally 2-3 Kills is a great time for me.

For survivor its not getting slugged, tunneld, or camped.

For Killer, I view it as this: 0-1k is a loss, 2k is a tie, 3-4k is a win.

In the end its about having fun, which is why I like low ranks because I don't have too sweat out my a** just too get a safety pip.

If there is ever a disconnect between the 2 then that means we have a problem, since wincons dictate how the rest of the game is designed.

The fact that this game has a clear lack of what really constitutes as a win/loss helps contribute to why it is so poorly balanced.

Having fun is the goal of every single game. That doesn't detract from the fact games are competitive by nature. Even in Monopoly, you are playing to have fun, but you're always playing to win via bankrupting your opponents. Without a clear lack of achievable goals outside of the ones you set for yourself, a game truly has no purpose, and is less a game and is simply just "play."

DBD is less of a game and more along the lines of free form play. It doesn't have a clear enough foundation of what the specific goals of each side should do. The various responses people provide are evidence of this.

In other games, if you were to ask this same question, there isn't much room for debate as to what is a win/loss. Overwatch literally says Victory and Defeat. Fighting games blatantly tell you "You Lose" in big fat letters across the screen.

As far as a win condition, the closest thing you can get to in this game is a Pip. Pipping indicates that you did enough in the match for the game to grant you a point towards increases your Rank. While this is obviously absolutely meaningless at the moment, it's the closest win condition you have. A loss would be a pip down, and safety pipping is more like a draw.

Imo, BHVR should redefine their win/loss conditions.

Also. I don't think everyone DOES know the official rule. Since when I made a thread about it I had a LOT of people trying to tell me that the screenshots I posted DESPITE BEING DIRECTLY FROM THE GAME ITSELF were wrong.

Hell even @weirdkid5 just now said that the game considers piping the wincon, despite the screenshots that show otherwise.

Just here to play the game nowadays