New Freddy too Reliant on Addons?
Am i the only one who thinks this? I mean a whole different ability (dream snares) for using addons. It seems to me they're gonna do what they did with trapper and a few others, where they leave the base killer very weak but very strong when using addons. I'm not so sure...
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If Behavior's following their trends, baseline Freddy is going to be really underwhelming. Perhaps.. passable with add-ons, yeah.
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I still think he will be better than before, but i think he will be quite strong with addons (at least above average with purple or pink ones). They seem to love making killers that are never balanced as they're too weak without addons and too strong with them ):
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Again, everyone keeps underestimating Freddy. He's really good in the current meta. He flat out denies Borrowed Time and unsafe unhooks. After next patch comes in on Tuesday next week, he's going to be unstoppable. Freddy will not have to deal with MoM!
Next Tuesday, Freddy becomes a true nightmare. Thank you MoM nerf!
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I don't think anyone with thousands of hours in the game and a known history of getting to rank 1 with every killer is underestimating Freddy. I don't even think players with just hundreds of hours of play are underestimating Freddy. I think Freddy mains who've invest hundreds or thousands of hours exclusively into Freddy are more willing to overlook glaring flaws in favor of a strong gimmick that can be turned against them at crucial moments.
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Most of the killers are too reliant on add ons.
The Spirit is the best example of why I find this frustrating. She is only in the top 3 when using add-ons. Which everyone just assumes she'll have? This is why I find balance discussion and tier lists for this game frustrating. Because the spirit is a significantly worse killer without add-ons that basically needs them to be viable. But everyone acts as if she's god-tier better than Hillbilly who I must point out is one of the few killers not completely reliant on their add-ons to do well.
So making new Freddy too reliant on his add-ons to be able to do anything would just be par for the course for them sadly.
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If they add dream snares, he's fine at base.
@Redd take it from a Spirit main who plays her at high ranks without addons, she's not addon reliant. If you think that, you're terrible with her. That's me putting it simply. And she is far better than Billy, you're again, probably not good with her.
I used to think she was addon reliant, she's just really hard without addons, but still definitely better than Billy and close to Nurse. You're wrong about her. A better example is Myers.
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We are going to have to agree to disagree here. She's better than Billy at loops but I consider her (vanilla of course) a whole lot worse at patrolling, which I personally consider to be the more important of the two things if you don't have any add-ons to make you broken.
There's no arguing that there isn't even a 4th place worth mentioning though, so there is that.
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@Redd we'll agree to disagree then. Btw there is a 4th place worth mentioning, that was Billy :P I consider Hag to be 3rd because in my opinion, she is stronger than him for everything. Mainly because she has more map pressure and snowball potential. She's not as fast, but her traps definitely give her as much mobility as him. Then her chasing is better, she's slightly better at controlling the map and pressuring gens, and she has the best snowball, joint with Myers.
For me it's Nurse>>>>>Spirit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hag>Billy.
Btw, Spirit is worse at patrolling I agree with that, but she snowballs better than Billy and has the best chasing in game, so it's kind of irrelevant tbh. Idk, I want to discuss tierlists with you, you seem knowledgeable and I like to debate with people who think differently, talk on my wall if u wanna keep debating.
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If I remember correctly in the anniversary stream they said they're not sure if the powers will be separate via add-ons or if they'll include it in his base kit.
So they're still working on it, it's not final.
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I don't find relying on add-ons too bad, honestly. Most killers are really good even with common add-ons, which are cheap and easy to find in bloodwebs.
The problem for me begins when the killer is useless even WITH common add-ons, and really needs the pink and purple ones to even pose a semi-threat at high ranks. Looking at you, Trapper.
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Current Freddy relies too much on add ons, not much would change really.
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Yes but in the most recent Q and A stream they confirmed they how now decided officially to make the snares a power given by addons to replace pallet traps
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Is this a joke or what?
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Unfortunately i believe you're right. Billy is one of my favourite killers, mainly because i don't feel too scummy playing with addons, and don't feel incredibly weak without them. I also play trapper, who is completely useless without addons, and spirit, who is decent but OP with them, once again proving that in the past year and onward, the devs have more and more been making killers reliant on addons. A big mistake if you ask me
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I agree with both you and @Redd , as i believe that she is strong without addons (i play her a lot too). However, i also believe her addons are very strong, and with them she is FAR too powerful (if the player knows what they're doing)
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If snares are restricted to add ons, he will be absolute crap without them.
"Dream Pallets" being his only ability within a chase, and the only upside of them being asleep (don't even pretend the lullaby is a real bonus) means all he has is map mobility with a long warning duration to leave the area.
60 seconds to fall asleep is an insane amount of time for a really mediocre change in power, and there's an object to instantly wake up, so it doesn't even last.
We already have a killer with fake pallets, it's a MINOR bonus from add ons and he's still considered pretty damn low tier with a power on top of that, why would 'dream pallets' be considered any better? He NEEDS the slowing snares to be considered any better than he is already.
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Pretty accurate summary
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As far as I can tell, the snares are basekit and you can switch to pallets with addons.
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yeah I acknowledge that she's far too OP with some addons. Mainly purple and pink. They need a fat nerf.
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I watched the clip, as he says "take snares and switch to pallets", which grammatically makes no sense as it makes out you have both when you don't, so i guess we don't actually know yet. Originally they wanted pallets to be the primary one, so i assumed it still was
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yeh. I really hope they start making base kits better, and addons worse
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Considering we havent seen his addons AT ALL... Lets hold off on speculating if hes reliant on them.
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