Slight nerf to DS to promote skillful play

@SpaceCoconut

Rather than nerf the timer, how about this?

Add a condition that if someone who has DS activated unhooks another survivor or completes a generator within that span of 60 seconds, then the person with DS has it deactivated until they get hooked for the 2nd time. They'll get another chance to possibly use it if the Killer picks them up to give them a 3rd final hook.

This would make the perk more fair and not let it be stacked with things like MoM, so Killers won't have to deal with ludicrous survivor tank builds.

Cant you just let the ds target slug?

Are you serious right now? With shorter timer is will be more useless than it is right now. Stop tunneling and there won't be a problem.

Hmm if killer is close to the hook or someone if farming on hooked person, it's not his fault and don't deserve to be tunneled. And don't say this bullshit. Only tunnelers complain about ds xD

I'm sorry but most people can track very easily who they have hooked or not, especially someone who has just been unhooked.

If you find the time to chase someone, down them, and hook them by the time you find the other survivor that may have DS active it'll only be active for a few more seconds, just wait it out.

If you make the timer any less than it is, you can tunnel and ds will be over by the time you've finished the chase/you'll only have to wait a few seconds after the chase is done to deactivate it.

Well SpaceCoconut, what are your thoughts on the idea by now?

It punishes people who tunnel the guy off of hook and/or can help prevent being farmed instantly

If you hate it so much, go for a different survivor or slug them for a whole minute if you are that kinda person.

It hasn't been a problem since the change.

Because it's still a team game at its base. There's a difference between not thinking and thinking about yourself. Sometimes it's tactical to sacrifice a teammate. Happens in pretty much every game where there's a team component. Don't like it? Play for yourself or join a swf.

Why do killers always do that "I'm bad and I went down etc" bs.

You know full well 95% of the time DS procs because of a tunnel, some hooks, like the basement are heavily tunneled "just get to a pallet 4Head". Sometimes you can't, you're injured there's literally nothing you can do, sometimes it isn't as simple as "you're just bad".

If your memory ain't great stop staring at a computer screen for 30 minutes, it's no ones fault your memory is bad and I pray that you get your issue sorted but ######### shouldn't be nerfed because some people can't remember the last person they hooked.

If you're tunneling, you're trash, if you're close enough to the hook to tunnel, you're usually close enough to get two hits on the unhooker and not have to worry about it.

If you hook someone, and see an injured survivor on the BBQ and chilli and someones just been unhooked maybe slug them a little. The game isn't hard.

Also, nothing says free escape like one time use, 60 second time limit, missable. -1 perk slot.

Because you did something stupid to go down again that soon. Just put on another crutch or play with people who you know will block for you. Or don't go down near the basement. As someone who plays legion, I can't tell if its an unhooked or someone not healing/just mended. Oh, and I'm mostly a survivor player (because apparently this is important in arguing here) since I spent more time with them. Wanna talk about a bug? I can aim for the unhooker and hit the hooked/just unhooked person.

DS procs from abuse. I play with someone who purposely goes down to hit the killer with DS.

Then that's how you play. Most will go for that 4k because sacrificing is the main category. I am guilty of letting people go if their team ######### them over, but I usually know I've pipped by then so it's win-win. If they're good at looping, then they should be more helpful to their team and take your attention or do gens. There's multiple components to this game that you're overlooking.

Because slugging isn't always the play to make. Let me just sit in this one area while others do gens. Once I finally leave or hook them I'm down gens or someone had the balls to pick the person up. I've been on both sides of this. It's frustrating and stupid for the killer. I've been that ######### that picks people up from the ground as survivor or gen-rush punish.

Can you at least quote correctly? I'm complaining as a survivor and killer, because god forbid someone can be both on this forum. If you can't see the alternative plays that can be made by survivors or how risky slugging can become, then have you played? Or do you enjoy playing with/against potatoes?

I love how you just assume my issue is the time. I never said my stance and yet you just love to put words in my mouth.

My issue, since you so politely asked, is that I can hook someone else and still get DSed. Then I see people arguing it's an anti-tunnel perk. By definition, this is false. Survivors are being rewarded for bad plays even when you try and go for the other person. I play for trades. I should be able to do this without being punished.

Also love how you assume this conversation is me crying. I wonder what gave you that impression. Please tell me. I am honestly confused since I haven't attacked you personally like you seem to be doing.

So weak it's still meta. Mkay. Nice cherry picking by the way, especially since you ignored about most of what I said. Since you're clearly done and set in your ways, I say good-day and maybe we can have another discussion in the future. 😁

@SpaceCoconut Even if you lower the timer it won't stop abuse. It can still trigger during the endgame when gates are already open or when survivors suicide on purpose or jump in a locker to get ds to activate.

A better fix for it would be that ds deactivates if certain conditions are met.

What I think would be fair is that ds should just deactivate completely after egc is triggered. I've had some frustrating situations where I've downed someone close to the exit gate only to know that there is a chance they might have ds which would instantly lose me the kill. Recently I've even had a situation where 2 survivors deliberately waited around the exit gate, both having ds and waiting for me to pick them up only to shank me and run out.

Another scenario where ds should deactivate is when the killer hooks another survivor. Ds being an anti-tunnel perk, doesn't need to activate since the killer is obviously not tunneling if they've hooked another survivor.