Its 100% up to the player to choose whether he wants to use Wake Up or not. If he wants to use Wake Up, and is intentionally using bugged content (and yes, you can clearly see that it is not correct, because the Progress Bar is yellow), they can also get consequences for this.
If someone was using Wake Up before, well... Use another Perk until it is fixed.
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Why do players get banned for the dev's mistake
MasonMyers69
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I think wake up is fun to use, especially with the new end game collapse, or players who struggle to find exit gates, why should we be punished because the devs messed up?
Just disable the perk if it's a problem
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Its 100% up to the player to choose whether he wants to use Wake Up or not. If he wants to use Wake Up, and is intentionally using bugged content (and yes, you can clearly see that it is not correct, because the Progress Bar is yellow), they can also get consequences for this.
If someone was using Wake Up before, well... Use another Perk until it is fixed.
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I agree. And they already set two precedents with how they handled bugged perks and addons in the past. 1) they didn't ban for two other bugged and massively game breaking bugs: Tinkerer and Sloppy Butcher. 2) They announced the Legion blades bug and warned that bans would be carried out against them if they continued using them.
They need to put a notice Ingame for everything currently bugged, but especially Wake Up and Blades (again.)
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They shouldn't be punished for this though, why would someone not use a perk, the devs messed up again..
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Exactly.
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They do not need to do such a dumb and pointless thing to enforce their own rules. Every player already knows that it's a reportable offense to exploit bugs. They shouldn't be cheating in the first place.
People are so callously abusing it now because of the comatose way they coddled people for exploits in the past. Everyone knows they can get away with it, scott-free.
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Some people may not know it's an exploit, they may just want to use the perk
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I like your point. However, if Noed/Devour Hope/Haunted Grounds was bugged allowing instant-downs and moris. Would you feel the same way? I mean it is only fair right?
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Oh, what a coincidence not to notice 15% action speed bonus in everything, despite a bright yellow bar. What a coincidence that they only started using the perk when it became known it was broken. After using it only 1% of their games over the last year, they suddenly used it in every game over the last week. What a coincidence their entire team is using Wake Up all of the sudden.
Must be innocent. 100%.
Oh. My hand slipped and hit "Leave Match" 5 matches in a row. I didn't know!
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One thing is the devs making a mistake and the other is abusing that mistake to gain a competitive advantage.
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Another reason why it's behavior's fault. You said they started this by coddling, well again they set that precedent and it's time to be transparent about it. The moment they announce / warn of bans for it is the moment most players will stop using it. Why not do that instead of letting the community argue and get at each other's throats over whether or not people will/will not get banned for it?
All of it could've been avoided.
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I already gave you the reason why. The community is coddled because of the precedent they set and they need to change their approach.
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By announcing it. Just flat banning people without a word after we already have a precedent isn't good for Behavior either.
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Just an unintended buff to a trash perk.
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They already announced it last time. Now the playerbase thinks it is appropriate to exploit bugs until BHVR makes an announcement. We are not children needing to be warned. Every player already understands that exploiting is against the ToS. Your suggestion is juvenile as was BHVR's approach.
And it is not necessary to BAN people, hardly anyone literally means to permaban someone for using a perk. But a short suspension is appropriate and it is not going to be the end of their world.
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Just had a match against SWFs as a Ghost Face and got ######### over by OOO and then had 2 purple toolboxes with the socket swivel and rag on and both using wake-up. Match was over in about 2 minutes. Yeah. SURE IS FUN GUYS. Then had them talk ######### to me in end game chat saying ez. Yeah. If you use Wake-Up, you better get banned. I can't use Legions' bullshit add-ons, you shouldn't be able to bully me using your perks. By the way, Ghost Face and Pig just get ######### on by OOO.
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They should announce problem perks and addons whose exploits could possibly be bannable ASAP every single time. It raises awareness so people don't accidentally run said problems, it's a courtesy, it's professional, and it's transparent without leaving any doubt whatsoever.
What you call coddling is what I call common decency. But whatever
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Two reasons:
1) Fair play - dont use bugged Perks, it is simply not fair for others.
2) Common Sense - something is not working like it should? You get an advantage because something is bugged? Dont use it.
Simple as that. I have no problem playing without Wake Up, maybe it would be better to use it, but nope, not gonna do that. I sitll have fun, it is not like games are not able to win without Wake Up..
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You really think just announcing and telling people to stop abusing something will just make everyone go "OHH SNAP OHH MAN THEY ARE RIGHT" its not gonna happen my dude people will still abuse it does not matter if its the devs mistake or not you openly know its bugged and you openly choose to abuse it which falls under the exploit rule.
Its like the legion players that got banned they warned them ahead of time it was coming boom huge banwave but they still warned them ahead of time to stop doing it warning really does nothing man people dont honestly care about being warned also Exploiting should be something thats actively banned for name a video game that does not ban for exploiting.... You're not gonna find one that's still alive just saying.
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Every. Single. Time. What a farce. What should be expected is that players do not abuse bugs they discover. They report it.
Instead what we have now is ineffective hand-holding that has led to callous abuse. It is not professional to shirk your own rules, it is idiotic and negligent. By allowing players to abuse bugs to this extent, legitimate players who refrain from cheating are harmed.
BHVR has records of player behavior. They know what is incidental and what is intentional. They have established this. You may stop using innocent players as scapegoats now.
Furthermore, it is not unprofessional for BHVR to defends its game from people who wish to ruin it for others. It is expected.
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Dude you are aware they literally did that BY posting the rules go read them friend.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/19450/game-rules-and-report-system#latest
you will also see that part in the rules there you go there is your announcement
@Peanits @not_Queen @Patricia Its honestly about time you guys stop cuddling abusers and just straight ban them the rules have been here almost a year and a half people should know what not to do at this point.
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people are getting banned for knowingly exploiting bugs
i don't think they should get banned until the devs explicitly make a statement about it, but the idea that players shouldn't be held responsible for blatantly exploiting bugs is total drivel
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People getting banned now? What a shame because I actually need Wake Up to help me survive in the Endgame
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I see nothing related to perks and addons under gameplay abuse. And yes I expect people to stop using it after it's announced. If you don't, you have what's coming to you and you're abusing it beyond the shadow of a doubt. Looks to me like Behavior should update that piece you linked to me. Doesn't help your case whatsoever.
All I'm saying is an announcement in game would instantly fix all the arguments on the forums right now.
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You need that extra 15% to keep you going I know. (Not really played against you a bunch quite a decent survivor)
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you needs correct order first how this happend
point of what myers69 said was why they banning users causes from their mistaken
if they made it bugged they should fix it quickly first
or disable it to users not tempting it
banning them is way far from clever
i don't have wakeup but i really want to use it
its like how conscience and law different
they made new law than, thats not even verify they using intentional or just random
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Are you like trolling or are you usually this dense LMFAO?
"Exploit bugs, errors in design, or undocumented features to gain access to what otherwise would not be available or to obtain a competitive advantage"
Literally everything about that sentence is wake up.
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I really don't understand why the developers refuse to disable the problem perks/add-ons until they are fixed. Someone explain this to me.
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Dang.. was about to play some Quentin...
Guess not.. lol.
Don't want to be banned over a perk I was already using before the bug.
EDIT: plus I have literally no other good perks on Quentin... so @Peanits please tell me a hotfix is coming..
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Too busy on the hotfix/other things so unaware of the state of their own game.
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What's that you're new to the game and you're playing Quentin with Wake up equipped BANNED. OMG YOU TOTALLY KNEW WHAT YOU WERE DOING. THIS IS THE END OF YOUR DBD.
I know that's a very specific example but I think a lot of you are going all vigilante on those who happen to stumble upon using the perk.
I get why you would be frustrated that the bug exists but if someone handed you a selection of cakes and you ate the one with chocolate sprinkles on top then you are told that it wasn't yours. That's not right. It was handed to you so what do you expect. Who knows why it felt decent?.
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God forbid someone doesn't read the forums or news postings and just plays the game. There are survivors that legitimately might not even know they are doing anything "wrong". Maybe someone is trying to get the adept Quentin trophy. The OP is right. It's Behaviours job to handle stuff like this. Just ban the perk until it can be fixed. Player bans aren't the right answer for this situation.
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"I see nothing related to perks and addons under gameplay abuse."
Lol. What step are we on now...
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What about the hex ruin bug where it makes your own totems look like dull totems?
Exactly you didn't know, it's not a bug I made it up but if you didn't know and it existed How would you like a ban?
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Wake Up has visual feedback to let you know that it is active from the start to the end of the game.
Can we stop with the false equivalencies now?
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Exactly. The devs could just disable the perk until it's fixed. They did it with Mount Ormond. Easy, no more issues, no bans related to Wake Up. So simple.
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It's been three years and they still haven't managed to figure out a way to temporarily disable a perk or character in situations like this, hot fixing it is not possible?
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I feel like the only reason why the developers aren't banning for is because some players might not know about the exploit. Not everyone who plays DBD has a forum account to get the latest news.
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So I guess no-one runs a toolbox, provethyself, resilience, leader, botany knowledge, we'll make it etc according to your logic. Plus a new update = some visuals may have changed. New players are clueless too. If you get a yellow bar you are doing something wrong and you deserve a ban. Literally get real.
Plus I'm pretty sure a forum user enforcing rules is now not allowed. I don't know why but it is. Like I don't know why this is your problem, moaning about it is counter productive. The Devs know you're just spreading outrage for no reason.
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Did they say they are banning for using Wake Up?
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They've said Nothing except that they're aware of it being a bug.
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Squish that bug Queen
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I'll concede that there will be cases where users may not notice based on the visual differences.
Didn't know I was going into peoples and accounts and banning them. "Spreading outrage"? I can't give my opinion?
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We heard your opinion long ago. Give it a rest we get it, you think those using wake up should be punished. Your argument makes sense but it's just too severe what you're proposing.
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What am I proposing that is too severe?
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I don't know why the don't disable wake up perk until they fix it? League does it, Overwatch does it, many popular games will disable x item or character until it's fixed.
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Agreed. That would be the simplest solution. Rainbow is currently doing it too. Game breaking glitches on two operators and a gadget that give a competitive advantage. But they just disabled everything.
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Bans for those using it
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Well I want to clarify that I think a short suspension for only those very apparently abusing it is appropriate, alongside locking/warning about only the worst bugged features. In no way do I support a permaban of anyone.
And I think everyone else deserves an apology and small reward for tolerating the sheer number of bugs.
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I think it's funny how ppl are pretending like they don't know about Wake Up, while it's gone from being used by like 1% of survivors to a "Meta" perk in builds. that 200X boost in popularity is a COMPLETE coincidence. Unlike Legions blades which were fairly common to see used anyway, and didn't give the USER a pretty big indication that something was off, the Wake Up bug is on an unpopular perk, on an unpopular DLC. The chances of new ppl just happening to buy QUINTON, of all survivors instead of just playing the ones you start with is...slim to none.
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How about a short suspension for DBD from sales on Steam? It's their screw ups. Not the community. That sounds more fair than threatening their player base with bans every time they break something, which seems like every patch these days. It's just bad business to threaten your customer base with bans for something you put in your video game.
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