R.I.P ghost face.

Tbh one of reasons I got GF was because I believed he would actually encourage stealth to one-shot gameplay. I'm likely just not able to play him 'as intended', however I do apologise if I think that he is actually trash for forcing an unnecessary skill floor in order to pick him up (like Nurse was easier for me to learn).

In fact, for the same effect as I had hoped for when GF first came out, I started to play Huntress and used Iridescent Heads instead (loads more fun btw!). Who wants to play another M1 Killer anyways?

Why should a Killer mechanic be left in the hands of the Survivors in order for it to pan out correctly?

@weirdkid5 So you're telling me, that with your advice on how to play GF 'correctly', that we can performed consistently well (i.e. pip) by playing M1 Killer the entire trial.

Why bother playing him at all? You've even just posted the amount of things you need to do in order to make him 'tick' but by the time you do that 2/3 Gens have already popped unless you're playing Potatoes (i.e. not Purple/Red ranks).

If you can't use the one-shot then why is it even in his kit, it just seems very silly to have a feature that you can literally never use because 'you aren't supposed to do that'.

Sorry if I still believe GF is absolute garbage, and so will stick to the usual Billy, Nurse, Spirit Huntress lineup as they are actually viable.

I don't recognize the nerf by itself as this massive change that has ultimately destroyed the character. Really what they've done is take a killer who's already not viable at all levels of play (primarily high level) and sprinkled a bit of salt on his grave. He would've been bad before these changes, and now he's even worse. I completely understand that the entire issue is mainly about the principle, though.

@BeanieBoyBob you do realize you can get an early hit before you even start the chase? That in itself already puts you at a major advanatge. Why waste time stalking, when you can instantly start any chase with the survivor injured and never even give them a chance to avoid that first hit?

Again, you should use his Shroud for mindgames in the chase. Gens dont pop before you down someone if you end the chase super early by turning off your red stain and messing up the Survivor, potentially making them even waste a pallet.

Wasting time by focusing oneshot is your own problem.

Uh, if you can't stay in stealth, it's because you aren't being stealthy? Im not sure what you want me to say here. You are being broken out of Shroud because you are playing super obvious and not actually being stealthy. You seem to act like no one should see you just cause you're using Shroud.

If you are being broken, it's because you being punished for not being stealthy. This isn't hard to comprehend.

You don't have to use M&A on him at all if you use Shroud properly and stop getting broken. You keep blaming the game, and now you're insulting my intelligence by saying stuff like "smart guy."

Just because you can play well with other Killers doesn't suddenly mean you know how to play GF well. That's not how things work.

If you won't even bother trying to put the advice we are giving you into play, why even comment on the forums in the first place? One other player who had problems with GF is already finding much better success by taking some of the advice I've given him.

You won't even try it, it seems, given your confrontational attitude to anyone that disagrees with your almighty knowledge of being a Red Rank Killer.

You're playing GF poorly. That's all there is to it.

How is he still loud? There is no noise that emits at 8 meters anymore.

Further more, you can only hear his clothes when he's right in top of you, and only when he's actually moving. If he's standing still and stalking, he's completely silent.

I never claim to be a DbD God. Calm down buddy, I'm not saying you're trash. Im just saying you're playing GF ineffectively. That's it. Relax lol

And PC is arguably harder to play GF because the skill of Survivors is much higher than that on PS4, and yes, I play both versions.

People use Discord and voice chat on PC too man. Voice comms destroy any stealth Killer, this is an inherent problem with SWF in general, not really GF. He just has it hard because of this.

The way you need to play GF is by sticking to the outskirts and always approaching generators from off the beaten path, even it it takes longer. If you are being exposed, you arent being stealthy. You aren't invisible when playing GF.

This means you need to actually keep yourself hidden through LoS blockers. Almost every good GF I play against doesn't actually Stalk, they use Shroud midchase to play mindgames, or if they do use it out of the chase, they only use it to quickly approach a gen to get a grab, which is always better than stalking for a oneshot.

Keep in mind I'm telling you what I've seen be effective as a Survivor. Everytime I face a GF that focuses on Stalking, it's always an easy game because the GF player is a timid little Killer that cowers away like Boo whenever someone sees him, instead of bearing down by suddenly coming around corners with 0 warning.

You have full movement speed when you are in Shroud. You should utilize it. I don't know how many times I need to reiterate it.

If you are being revealed constantly, you are playing GF poorly. Survivors will never see a good GF coming because he doesn't approach from wide angles or open areas. You can literally stalk from 48 meters away dude.

To be fair, a lot of people, myself included, think that Wraith should have 100% full invisibility at distances further than 32m from an observing survivor while Wraith is in Cloak mode.

It'd give Wraith a tiny bit more viability on maps that have mostly open areas like Shelter Woods, Farm Maps where Survivors perch on the tractor for a bird's eye view of their surroundings, Blood Lodge, etc.,

I dunno, I've been playing him and I feel like the removal of the proximity sound during Night Shroud has really helped out exposing people and getting surprise hits on them.

Also, the only reason you now hear his footsteps when playing him is because they were previously shadowed by the "loud ass whoosh" (the proximity sounds that's now removed). Not every change is Armageddon. Not every adjustment is "the mother of all nerfs". Maybe spend some more time with him, if you change your mind, that's fine. If you still have the same opinion, that's also fine! Just, maybe tone it down when there are people out there who are doing objectively fine with him.

He was always a M1 killer.