Nurse Balance Idea

Yes she is strong...

Map control and you can't loop her...

And yeah that's what you pick in case of 4 man swf flashlight team...

That's something I notice again and again. The salt is really big in this game. People do the dirtiest tryhard things to fck up the others game...

I see 4 man flashlight swf? Have fun with 4-5 blinks and Franklin's nurse...

Dunno if this is the way the game should go.

I man killer and I personally don't like nurse. But there were several games after those I thought:" you should get used to her... “

@yes I take a drag from my cigarette everytime I do the "....." xD lol ..... no in all seriousness I try to change/move to different points i have to make to better explain why I believe what I believe....

ohhhh kk, thx for an explanation <3 sorry if i came off as harsh, i was hangry at the time

"A killer who completely ignores survivor's only real defense and is near-guaranteed a 4k every game with even a basic level of familiarity of her ability on almost any map is broken."

I would argue that you need far more than a basic level of familiarity to 4k as Nurse at high ranks. Yes, she is strong, but she can also get bullied quite easily.

Her base kit is fine, and she can be countered with Dead Hard or line-of-sight mindgames. The real problem with Nurse is her add-ons. Specifically Omega Blink, which is super broken and accounts for 99% of the complaints about her being OP.

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Yeah, they need to be finally buffed to take account of the unjustified uber-nerfs base Nurse received 3 years ago.

OMG!!! That's my favorite addon pair too! <3

Regarding your post, the thing every survivor can do almost nothing against is predict exactly where The Nurse will end up, which was different prior to the blink changes. In order to make what is, in my opinion, the most important change to The Nurse's power, we need to look at two aspects of how The Nurse was first realized on live servers.

A) Her lethal blink animation

B) Her three base blinks

The lethal blink animation is perhaps the most important thing to understand about why survivors can have such a hard time going against The Nurse. To summarize, The Nurse had at one point a lunge animation that would 100% hit a survivor upon the Nurse's reappearance and clicking of m1. This lunge animation was not as fast as the animations for close hits currently. It was a special animation that would position The Nurse's weapon dramatically before bringing it down upon a survivor even if the survivor had dropped a pallet between the weapon and himself/herself in the meantime.

The Nurse could not near instantaneously enter cooldown after pressing the attack button and getting a successful attack, which is what we have today. It's visually worse today compared to then, and that makes it less scary in this "horror" game that we play. This is not the most important change, but it provides an example of why visuals matter.

When the pumpkin head customization came out, it was pretty clear that the eyes and smoke from the pumpkin head would appear before the rest of The Nurse. The Nurse currently has collision, the ability to attack, and the ability to chain blink before appearing. That gives very little time for survivors to react to an extremely variable blink reappearance location. This is why survivors can have difficulty playing against The Nurse. If balance changes are to be made to the Nurse, it needs to be in regards to her reappearance visuals and the feedback that gives survivors. Everything else comes after that.

The issue of her multiple blinks is not as important as the issue addressed above. Every additional blink The Nurse makes allows her to fine tune her movements and reduce the error for a potential missed attack. That means that the killer who can ignore almost any defense survivors have can prevent herself from missing any attack she makes.

In the spotlight for The Nurse, it was evident that the player playing the Nurse was not blinking the potential maximum distance every blink. Each chain blink was short, and only allowed her to further her movements in one direction. Since the addons for more chain blinks all nearly have decreased range attached to them, it is my understanding that chain blinks were merely a way to get more distance out of her power but with the ability to stop before using all the potential distance. Range addons had decreased accuracy, so it was evident that the developers thought a blink from across the map should not be able to hit a survivor spot on. The Nurse found much more use in her power than in her 115% movement speed, so the devs took that away, and players became more adept at using her blinks more and more precisely. Obviously, the issue of distance and accuracy of blinks should be addressed second, but it does not compare in urgency to the issue of little visual cues to survivors when The Nurse reappears from her blinks.

An idea I have that I will continue to propose even though all the salty people on here will continue to downvote my comments simply because they want their broken ######### in the game because they feel entitled, is a nurse rework.

Because I am a killer main and I want the game to be balanced. And the game will never be balanced if you have a killer who ignores game mechanics at no cost. You want survivor nerfs? Me too. But this is a game with 2 sides. 

My proposal was, and still is, this.

Make the nurse a 110 killer.

Rework her blinks to have charges. She starts with 2-3 base changes, and when she blinks she consumes a charge. The charges refresh over time.

Rework her add ons to not have so many fake stats in them. 

And give her an ultra rare add on that lets her have infinite charges with a limited number of chain blinks.

This would mean that you can have the nurse we have now as an ultra rare (a bit better actually since she would be 110) and you would have the ability to actually catch survivors without her blinks you can use her blinks for mobility or chases, but not both.

She would still be one of the strongest killers in the game,  boasting incredible ability in every category that matters, but you wouldn’t simply be the strongest killer at all times at all points in the game with no counterplay.

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There is nothing “unnecessary “ about a change to the nurse.

The nurse ignores game mechanics. You can nerf killer’s base mechanics to the ground, buff survivors to god tier levels, or do the exact opposite, and if the nurse remains unchanged she will continue to be the strongest killer in the game.

that is the nature of her power. It ignores game mechanics. It does not have a cost. 

And “skill” isn’t an argument I will accept. Nurses skill cap in dead by daylight may be high, but compared to almost any other game it is laughably low. Requiring skill to keep something that is legitimately broken in the game is the argument that was used back in the day defending the inclusion of infinite loops.

I want the game to be fair for both sides. Which means I don’t want old ds to be a thing- because it is legitimately unfair. However, if I am not being bias, as so many people are when countering the idea of a nurse rework, I can honestly say that the nurse herself is also legitimately unfair.

Hillbilly, spirit, these are the killers we should model killer balance around. The nurse is the strongest killer only because she is the strongest in charge, amp pressure, hook pressure, mobility, etc. she has no weakness and her counterplay is hoping that the nurse messes up. Legion was nerfed for the same reasons, except they were FAR weaker but easier to use.

Your argument that maps are the problem is a legitimate one.

But let’s say they fixed maps. What makes you believe people would stop using the nurse? Killer favored maps still favor the nurse. It’s actually quite hard to make a map that doesn’t favor her, because again... she ignores game mechanics.