Fellow Killers, what's your take on the Ebony Mori?

Your ideas are good but if I had to choose one thing I want that would help with the ebony is problem is just make it so ebonies cannot downpip you

Typically I hold off on using em, although I dont see ANY problems with yellow moris at all. I typically have a rather large supply of ebony moris which I only use when my girlfriend REALLY wants to see salt in an endgame chat... For that, I grab an iri head too, lol.

I think ebony moris might be a bit more balanced if they were reactive to what the survivors brought into the game. Initially, it starts off with the functionality of a green mori and allows you to kill one survivor. Then for survivors after that, you can kill survivors that brought a purple addon into the game after 2 hooks and kill survivors that brought an ultra rare after 1 hook.

@Dehitay This kinda runs into a problem where some of the best addons you can use arnt the purple or red ones. While this'll be useful against things like instaheals, the best toolbox is a green one with a clean rag and swivel sockets for addons, which are brown and yellow.

I use them to put certain teams in their place if I feel they have crossed a line.

Sometimes you need to remind survivors who the power role is. If they don't like that, tough.

Certain things like Mori's, instant heals, keys, and certain rare addins are there to give the player a cathartic release and wreck some unholy vengeance. Personally, I don't have a problem with such things existing in the game.

I do believe the rarity should be adjusted, however. With the lower bloodpoint costs of things, I think we see the red stuff a lot more than we should be.

Allow keys/insta heals to only be used for the person equipped with them, and I can agree with getting rid of the ebony. I'm find with green.

I disagree entirely because the moris actually make the game fair in most cases due to the survivors being overpowered, I wouldnt say I'm a killer main exactly but I do play enough to understand that it is really annoying to play against a swf group or just good players in general that know how to loop. I love playing survivor against a mori because it makes the game more of an actual challenge rather than just being an annoying survivor that just does gens or runs the killer for a living.

The game is perfectly fine with addons and offerings it's the killers themselves that need fixed honestly, characters like legion or leatherface far too weak to go against good players but then you get characters like nurse or spirit who are absolutely broken, especially nurse because there is practically no way to counter a good one other than being immersed and praying not to be found.

I get bored using it because it's no joke too easy (to be fair though i main billy, spirit and trapper and have 1250 hours). What i've started doing is hooking everyone twice and then using the mori for the third down, not the second

Edit: unless someone really annoys me, in which case enjoy the mori lol

I only use it for dailies and tbh mori dailies shoud not even be a thing.

Ebony guarantees you kill everyone as long as you don't play like a potato. It has no place in the game.

I think, that mori should be built in. At least cypress.

by built in, i mean that if survivor is dead on hook, you could mori him. That ll not affect balance (unless, you are targeting for flashlight save).

But ebony mori, as blessing should stay and work as it does now. Bone one should do the same, but for 1 person. Thats my opinion.

And tbh, i have 15 ebony-s stacked, and i dont want to spent them, cause they are kinda boring.

With the new Ghost Face update on PC, I feel that Mori's have been more common (or is it just me)? For the first 3 days of release on Ghost Face and achieving P350, I have counted atleast 50 Eboni Mori's on my path.

I believe Mori's are okay on certain occasions but the both parties should also know that everyone participating in the game is what makes it fun and if someone makes it unbalanced in any way there is always a way to counter it.

That being said, if you have a bad day or just want to stream in front of a crowd who has never seen a Mori before, be my guest and use it.

If you camp a hook with Insidious or T1 Myers, you are obviously attention driven, making the game a less of an enjoyment for others. Think of yourself like a party host, you pissed off all the guests and they don't care about the occasion anymore because you cannot follow simple etiquette or don't have a clue (ex. 4% rule).

Mori's are mentality driven and based on the state of mind of killer and survivor, that is what decides if the Mori was understandable or not.

I like Franklin’s Demise man, it can be a good time waster sometimes but it hardly “counters items” otherwise it would be a meta perk and would be used more.

But sure, I’ll go drop killer now cause you said so.

I typically have a rule only mori on death hook when you're using an ebony.

The only time I will break this rule is if the survivor is specifically going out of their way to be toxic and annoying, I mean they really have to annoy me or if I'm being gen rushed and I kinda need to get people out of the way quickly.

The death Hook rule just kind of benefits everybody.

I get more blood points.

More emblem opportunities

The survivors don't get cheated out by being killed after first hook.

The time it takes me to complete the mori is usually the time it would have taken me to get to hook anyway so it's not an oppressive force

Personally I think the Green Mori is perfect as it is and the Yellow Mori is kinda useless.

The Ebony Mori is instead an unbalanced mess which I never use because it makes it really too easy. I could use the mori only after the 2nd hook, but at that point I'd rather use Devour Hope, which you have to earn and gives a nice feel just for that (plus, it's counterable).

Personally I like this suggestion.

Ebony Moris, Keys and Instaheals are the most bullshit things which exist in this game.

Cypress Moris should be basekit, Ivory Moris should have it's rarity increased and Ebony Moris should make it where you have to hook everybody once to kill one person. (Like BBQ, hook all 4 Survivors once, you can choose which Survivor you wanna kill, hook all 4 Survivors another time, you can chose one more Survivor which will let you kill a total of 2 Survivors)

Keys: Basically make it an channel action which takes 5 seconds and if the Killer interrupts you, the channel action gets cancelled. Because the insta-escape is pretty pretty bullshit in my opinion.

Instaheals: Nerf them to make them have the second BNP mechanic. The purple one will face you wiht 3 difficult skillchecks (first skill check will heal 33 % of the bar, second will heal another 33 % and the third will heal 34 % to make it 100 %)

Syringe will work the same as the purple instaheal when you use it to yourself but instead when you use it on a downed Survivors it will make you face 6 skill checks (you heal the Survivor up 2 health states)

Remove the -25 % and - 50 % charge debuff of the Instaheal addons

Mori's are BS and should be treated accordingly.

Don't see it too often, I tried it on a tryhard Freddy build, pre PTB Freddy. Bamboozle, Haunted Grounds, Dying Light and Discordance. I had a Ebony so I tunneled the Obsession to a DC, everyone was screwed, chained shots and mori'd all except 1, I had the no skillchecks add ons.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of these ideas. That isn't to say I'm a fan of mori in their current state either. Ebony mori can be overkill and Cyprus mori can be almost useless. As offerings they take up space and generally survivors have a bad track record of respecting the mori when it is being used. As long as mori stay outside of the core gameplay loop they are always going to be viewed as something that should never happen and is both too easy to obtain.

Mori kills would be much better off being implemented into the core gameplay. I made a thread explaining how to do that and make everyone happy with, but it gets no real replies to it.

Hey, if you want to make Ebony Mori's even more rare, I'm behind that.

But I cannot get behind seeing them nerfed. Sometimes you just need to put the fear of the Entity into a team.