DBD is very unfriendly to new players.

If you play a game online, it's gonna be unforgiving to new players.

This goes for pretty much every single online game I've ever played.

I honestly wish the full game would switch to the mobile version's progression. It's not perfect but it's certainly an improvement.

Honestly, it's a $20 mobile game. If you aren't a whale, you're going to be at an overt disadvantage.

Except mobile games tend to have single-player modes...

Aw You also a wow player?

I come from time to time back. Currently I playing again. The 2 new zones looking nice. But I need to say, if you 6-7+ months away from wow and you coming back, then you feeling sometimes overwhelmed by all the changes in particularly the gameplay.

Of course you don't feel the same way, when you just play the game without break times between. Then updates can't come fast enough^^.

Then they should better make a new category, because the name KYF implies something different, but that shouldn't be a problem.

Maybe they could also link to tutorial videos from streamers, if they teach new layers in those videos nothing toxic. That could also be a signal to some streamers that have encourage players to toxic playstyles in the past, because the ones who haven't do that in the past, get then because of the linked tutorial videos more traffic^^.

I feel that this is what makes SWF so important to the game. To properly get into the game, having friends who already know how to play, can give advice and carry you when you're failing horribly is almost essential at the start.

Yup, none of my friends stayed beyond free weekend because of this idiotic grind, you cant really start to play the game because shrines give you calm spirit and autodidact each week while bbq happens to be there once a year and i have never seen ruin and WGLF out there. All of this happens when you need over 1 million bp to get the unlockables on one character while if you are new you propably wont gain more than 10k per game waiting minutes for rank 20 game. This is absurd and will lead to the death of the game.

I absolutely agree with the OP.

I told the devs in multiple posts that the grind and new user experience is horrible.

If we experience a long queue time due to a lack of survivor players we need to raise the incentive to play and lower the entry level.

Right now the are finally even out the BP gain for both sides, but as every killer can tell you, even 25-30k is hardly enough to meaningful level up or main a high level of viability on red ranks.

The reason why we only see Nurse, Billy and Spirit and rad ranks is, the other killers often need specific perks, add-on and even offerings to be competitive.

Rework the blood web as highest priority and get rid of the useless tier levels of all the perks.

That would reduce the grind.

It still baffles me how you can prestige a character without even getting all it's native perks at tier 3.

Maybe if they increased the shards you get from ranking up your experience levels, would reduce the grind as well. Then you can buy more perks from the shrine each week. It now takes 7 levels from level 50 to 100 to get 1 perk in the shrine for 2000 shards. That's too much imo.

Maybe some kind of "Training Grounds" or so, simply nothin other than KYF, but being able to start it alone.

The idea with the videos is quite good, probs.

Actually, i play DBD every day, having 2k hours.

I´ve managed to get full-perk with my main survivor, Jake.

Killer-sided, i have all perks for Trapper, Billy, Nurse, Michael, Hag, Clown, Spirit and Legion. Huntress, Doc, Bubba and Palgue are P3 Lvl 50, but i dont have all perks. Wraith, Freddy, Ghostface and the Pig are still Lvl 50, not even prestiged.

Sux, with 2k hours .... And this is the problem, that keeps my friends away. When they ask me to show a match playin a special killer, and u have to answer, u dont have the perks u´ll need, after this huge amount of time i played.

Two things.

1) Unlock ALL the perk slots from level 1.

2) Remove levels from all perks - all perks are acquired at thier current level 3.

That'll let people slot what they have right away and reduce the grind for all the perks by 2/3rds

Neither is Rainbow Six Siege or Overwatch, just play for better and worse, you decide whether you wanna keep playing or not.

I'm hoping the archive they are releasing is going to be something like this. Along with releasing more lore, additional BP's for doing the little quests would help alot. But still the grind is too much and something needs fixing on the bloodweb/perk side as well.

I don't think it is a balance between survivor vs killer. It's the learning curve. While some people say survivor is relaxing and easy, they don't stop to think what goes into doing well as survivor which takes more time than many people are willing to give.

Here's a few items:

1) Need to know which gens are priority and when to do them so the killer is less likely to find you working on a gen and to avoid a three gen strat.

2) Need to hit those skills checks, often great skill checks under Ruin and deal with various perks (like Lullaby) and effects that can make that check more difficult, especially against Doctor.

3) Need to identify and be familiar each of over a dozen killers and know their strength, weakness, and power in order to have any effectiveness. What strange mechanic they may have that you need to counteract in order to not die or kill off the rest of the survivors.

4) Need to know how to last longer than 5 seconds in a chase.

5) Need to know how to mind game.

6) Need to know how to loop decently if the killer or map gives you no option to get away.

7) Need to know how to make hook saves without killing yourself or your save, especially basement saves. Number one rule of survivor should be to not get hooked in the basement.

8) When to heal when not to heal, especially while running self care.

9) How to counter bbq/chili along with whatever aura perks the killer is packing.

10) How to deal with tunnelers and campers.

11) Effectively searching for hex totems and dealing with NOED and or devour hope.

12) Develop a sense of what the killer is likely to do in order to counter play them effectively.

13) How to use your tools and add-ons most effectively. Also flashlight saves.

14) Body blocking effectively - when to do it and when not to do it.

15) How to deal with EGC when you are the last survivor. (Go in a corner and wait to die).

16) How to reduce or conceal your scratch marks.

17) Gain familiarity with maps - to know where the gens, pallets, and dead zones generally are in each one.

18) How to avoid leading a killer to other survivors giving them a chance at a snowball. (Stay away from unpopped gens and hooked survivors)

Throw on top of that if they are the one getting camped, tunneled, slugged and otherwise receiving general toxic behavior - I can see why it's a turn off to many new players.

@Talmeer I am, but not steadily like you think. This expansion, for example, I took a seven month break and just hopped back on last week for 8.2 because I had some time. Due to the catch-up mechanics, I got my main and alts geared again very quickly via World Quest rewards and Heroic Dungeons.

That's what I mean about the grind in WoW not being bad nowadays. The only grind that sucks is the reputation grinds to unlock Pathfinder for flying.

Siege is a great example of doing it right, actually. Before the Outbreak patch if you bought a character you would still have to grind out attachments for all of their individual weapons. Compared to DBD the attachment/operator grind was a walk in the park but Ubi still realized that it was an unnecessary deterrent to getting new people into the game. So in the Outbreak patch they made all attachments and the base game's 20 characters free.

Overnight the new player experience went from starting with 2 or 4 (it's been a while) ops and no attachments to 20 ops with tons of different options. And new players could buy characters and immediately, ya know, play them. You still have to learn how to play them effectively but you never feel like you're at a disadvantage simply because tool x, y or z is missing from your kit.

I easily got lots of people into Siege after this and over half of them are still playing. Letting new players just play the damn game: it works!

@Pompous_Clown Precisely!

@KillermainBTWm8 And it's a primary reason their numbers aren't declining or increasing, but merely holding steady, as per Peanits in another thread. All those recent Steam sales, not just the Summer sale. The free weekend. The numbers spiked for those times, then settled right back down again into the "holding steady" numbers. That means they did not retain the new players. Gee, I wonder why.

@Nea_Death_Experience Unfortunately, three, going on four, years into the game's lifespan, the ship has likely sailed on Behavior making those adjustments with any meaningful results.