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Did all good Billy and Nurse players quit?
Am I the only one that keeps running into Bamboozle Ruin Billys with insta saw or Multi / Omegablink Nurses with Ruin and NoED?
I miss those days where addonless Billys knew how to curve and Nurses that could wreck teams and it was all good, now these new generation gamers just feel dull.
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As someone who use to be a billy main i quit because of the emblem system it just spits in billy's face and laughs more then anything.
Also just to give a little insight curving use to be really really strong but survivors have learned to play against it so its not as strong as it use to be :p
Also thats what happens when the devs cater towards casuals more then veterans you have the veterans leaving and moving off dbd after thousands of hours worth of dbd and going to other games.
Ive seen a lot of Veterans i knew leave even rank 1 players a good example is Baefu from the depip squad i use to see him a TON at red ranks have not seen that dude in like 8 months.
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high rank is no fun for killers u can play like almost maximum 1500-2000 hours then u get bored of it after knowing how unbalanced this game is at high rank I stopped playing frequently too (btw was rank 1 all seasons) now I only play on rank resets makes the game fun not stressfull
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Yeah. I'm taking a break as well. I only hop back on after patches.
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People cycle out occasionally. I'm aware some people are using OP add-ons as protest, though, and people aren't preaching "don't use add-ons" (to practice and get better) as much for killers like nurse. They've found out it doesn't matter all that much, I guess.
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What exactly is wrong with bamboozle/Ruin Billy? Enlighten me
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Billy has the best map pressure in the game while also having the ability to travel to gens quickly while also having the ability to slug really well compared to other killers you dont need ruin on him to dominate ZubatLEL and RyanPez have showed that a lot.
Bamboozle is a bandaid fix for matt walkers awful map designs when all they have to do is fix windows.
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Yea the emblem system is interesting indeed for Billy, yesterday had a good 24k game with 2k, no camping just zooming from hook to other side of the map to start a new chase. -1 pip
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Yeah its a shame 3-4 months before the new ranking system just gotta bare with it but ive been enjoying ghostface alot more then billy anyways :/
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Why we need more good killers like Spirit, Nurse, and Spirit. The trinity three are able to travel long distances quickly, so people have been playing them to prevent gen rushing, but just three killers is enough, so the pros have stopped playing them. We need to up the tiers of all the killers to equal a high tier killer.
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In reality, all the players. Right now since, we can say, Legion patch or before circa, rank 1 means rank 15. There are less and less good players anymore and more casual and stupid players running these ranks. It's incredible how i still can play this game from 2016, even tho i quitted it so many times. I can understand why many strong players quitted, maybe for the game becoming more and more bad and broken, maybe for the stupid devs who are running this game or maybe for toxicity. There so many reasons why gods and godess killers and survivors quitted the game.
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Nurse and Billy may be strong but their power gets boring after playing them for awhile I honestly hate most of the killer roster and am just hoping for a killer that I actually enjoy comes out but I doubt that will happen.
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Spirit is considered better vs good survivors while Billy can snowball much harder vs decent survivors, Billy still has bad maps where he basically have to M1 and just use chainsaw to travel.
This is also considered when using addons (not prayer beads tho they are just stupid).
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I don't see the problem here. I personally prefer BBQ, PGTW, ENDURING, SF on Billy, but if someone is using ruin/bamboozle... I don't see the issue.
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It's not a issue but it does not make them good either when there are billy players who play pretty much without ruin and bamboozle and dominate survivors to the point of submission nobody is saying its wrong but it does not make you good either.
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Oh god forbid we use our addons
I play tons of Billy, but suddenly, i'm trash cause I use the addons the game gave me. Tell ya what, I use them until I have none, and at prestiege 3, the only time I go through the tree again is to get new perks.
Where are all the good survivors that didn't need toolboxes to do gens, or flashlights to help their mates?
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good billy players are still around
i rarely see good nurses, just nurses who crutch on range addons or extra blinks for easier games
there are more spirit players than either category though. that's the real problem
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Using addons is fine. It's that the new generation of killer players like to go full wheelchair mode on Billy or Nurse with addons and perks to have 0 challenge.
I dont use items or offerings as survivor as they are not needed.
I kinda agree what @miaasma said, people that spam Spirit with purple addons are even worse offenders of 0 skill.
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The most good survivors could easily play without DH, DS and Adre.. Why is Ruin/Bamboozle a bad thing now? What do u mean with "0 challenge"? You rly think Billy is a god with Addons and certain perks? Maybe on low rank. I dunno about that.
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OP, why do you assume this has something to do with the killer-players themselves? They could simply be responding to a change in how survivors are playing.
Whilst I always say the survivor-meta is never-changing, it does still adapt towards it's own purpose: things must change in order for them to stay the same. So survivors drop MoM, some are adopting Object of Obsession and of course they are now all 99%-ing the exit gates because that's just how badly-designed EGC is.
Ruin and NOED are mutually-conflicting perks, but given how EGC in both the cases where it activates is an absolute pain for killers, it's kind of understandable that some might be building to mitigate against both.
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As someone who used to be a P3 Billy main, I can honestly say that I don't play him as much anymore because it gets boring playing the same person. That, and I rarely play killer anymore because I don't find it as much fun as I used to.
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Its been a while since I saw a Nurse without Ruin.It appears that Nurses are most likely to run. I even see Trappers without Ruin!
I personally stopped Ruin on Nurse, but I still use add-ons (even range at time), its just funnier that way, especially if toolboxes are involved.
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I think its fair to match survivor items with addons, yet I think its just new players are still going for "4k or no k okay" no matter the cost and always bring best addons. Last month I played exactly vs one random Billy that was just good and destroyed all survivors.
Only way to get to play vs good killers is snipe streamers (Fudge / Fufumii) for example, I'm sure there are couple other good killer streamers, but they are only 2 EU streamers that I know that are just good.
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Are you trying to say that two games made you believe that Billy is better than Spirit? If so, then lol.
Billy gets looped easily by good Survivors. He can easily become a powerless Killer. Spirit's mindgames are really strong because they're able to effectively trick Survivors and end loops before they can begin. I think you're either not going against good Survivors with Billy or bad with Spirit and don't want to get better.
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I still fail to see the issue here. The perks are there for a reason. They don't have to not use add-on. Add on less Killers, not named nurse, is boring for me. Even with Billy, I'll use spark plug at the very least!
I see too many tool box and items? Ok.
Omegablink Nurse with...
Ruin, BBQ, Franklin's Demise, NOED
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Personal experience doesnt really matter a whole lot bud, i could get destroyed by the clown 8 times in a row and then juke the ######### out of a nurse in the very next match, yet nurse is obviously a thousand times better than clown right?
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There not saying Billy is bad Just Spirits better for other reasons and classified as the second strongest killer.
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There isn't a killer on the roster that isn't prone to being gen rushed against optimal survivors. The math is always in the survivor's favor early in the game. It tilts even further with the Adrenaline/instaheal meta where you can outpace hook counts by slamming gens while injured. Even against a Nurse. To say that a Nurse is bad because they run Ruin is disingenuous. Do they need it against average solos? Absolutely not. Against an optimal SWF at red ranks? It's good to have. I don't need Ruin in 9 out of 10 games on Spirit, but I also don't like losing a game in the first 80 seconds in those edge cases where 2 gens pop as I'm hooking the first person.
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If maps were not so large I wouldnt use Ruin on Spirit. Even vs half decent survivors in maps like Red Forest or Rotten Fields there is no way to get +7 hooks until all 5 gens are done.
I agree that insta heals are broken and they shouldnt exist. Last weekend I had a game where 3 survivors had Needle, very rare, but they do happen.
There is some merit on saying that in some cases games go too fast even for Billy on maps where they are forced to "M1lly" and they need to slow games down, but if Nurse has Ruin they are basically praying on weak to "win more".
Off topic about Billy. Made a post about the Billy game I had few days ago: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/75777/i-prefer-not-to-rank-up-but-#########
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Spirit does NOT outclass Billy. Billy is a constant threat all game and can be anywhere whenever he wants. Throw certain add-ons on and he's insanely strong. Only the Nurse is the true GOD of the game that makes even Billy look like a child.
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Billy gets screwed so hard by the emblem system. I've depipped on a 3k with him. A lot of the good Billy players are trapped in purple/green ranks because of that.
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There is only so much Billy can do in safe loops while Spirit can out maneuver survivors and end a chase before they even start. If maps werent so large Spirit would have everything going for her as thats her biggest weakness.
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Problems for killers right now ranking and pipping seem to be a mess from what i've seen I rarely get ruthless killer anymore. Plus it seem's like the pipping points are messed up and the objective is outdated at this point or its way too easy I think its both outdated and boring. DBD needs a rework to be honest of some kind because this is 2019 we should expect more from games.
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The system revolves around giving survivors chances. You're supposed to prevent gen rush while making the game last long. That makes no sense. You can utterly destroy a team and still not pip lol. I've been playing just enough to stay between 15-5 ranks and I just stop.
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As a killer its hard to do that when they have either perks or insane add on's that make gens go insanely fast. Ruin barely matters even when you have it and Discordance has shown survivors put two per a gen at least to get them done far faster without toolboxes or perks like leader. Killer can't do anything much less pip if the clock is against them already and devs refuse to change that for some reason.
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