If Nurse dosnt get nerfed after the freddy rework then i dont know what to say.
You have done a lot of work on the Freddy rework so now should you have more time to do other stuff like nerf and buff other killers so. If i don't see a nurse nerf in the patch after the mid chapter update will i swear to god.
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Oh look. Another post complaining about nurse. One of 3/4 actual top tier viable killers.
Also, ik you didnt say it but its implied your next post will be a goodbye since they're not gonna nerf her. So.
Bye!
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@Carpemortum He didnt say hes leaving, just that he didnt know what to say so...maybe he just is telling us not to expect a followup posting.
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I literally said "I know you didnt say it, but its implied."
Did you like, see bye and respond on that alone?
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Nerfed to what? No teleporting? Not existing? Inquiring minds want to know...
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I'm agree with half the nerfed MoM had
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What with mom had happend was maybe not the best solution someone can come up with, but to nerf a killer wights far more as just a perk.
Imagine they would nerf survivors and with that I mean survivors, not their perks. Their default vault speed, movement, repair time and so on and then we could speak eye on eye, because that it is everytime when survivers outcry to nerf a killer (of course not, if the thread is only about a killer perk).
So fascinating a perk maybe is, it is nothing compared to a full redesign of a character/s what survivors like to see over and over again by every killer who could be a potential threat.
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I'm predicting it now.....
Nurse will be brought up to 110% speed, but her blink power will be given up to 3 uses with a cooldown simular to what you see on Legion or Spirit.
It's totally going to happen, you watch.
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You forget to start with "killer main here"...
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kIlLeR mAiN hErE nUrsE vErY oP nErF pLS
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its funny you all talk about nurse nerfs when on release she had 3 blinks and you could go to 7 aka good luck escaping
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It's funny how you all circle jerk trying to be biased and discuss balance but fail to see how much Nurse can be OP, yet simultaneously speak of balance and say SWF is OP and if Nurse can beat them that's balance, newsflash no, it's not balance both are OP but you all for some reason cling so tightly to Nurse it's pathetic.
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I have never play nurse, besides dailies, but I think she is healthy to the game since the most killers for many people are no choice, if we think on high rank gameplay.
Would bhvr buff the most other killers to the point were they are for the majority of the killer-playerbase a alternative to the usual red rank killers, I would think differently.
Besides, as a pre patch Legion main, I am not a fan of reworks in dbd in general. It's one thing to nerf a ability, but bhvr has shown that they don't stop there.
No matter how op the nurse for some people is might be, I don't think that a second killer deserves the same treatment as the Legion before.
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Noone wants that treatment. However, she needs to be tuned down.
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You just want her to be loopable... That's all. If she could be looped around pallets, nobody would complain!
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Because she's not viable, she's OP when played at 70% her potential, she needs a nerf/rework honestly. Viable for her is the biggest understatement
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I can see them toning down her blinks.
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Most likely aint gonna happen
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Nurses base kit is fine. Some of her add-ons could use a nerf though. And also, any really good player can make ANY killer look OP. I've watched matches with tru3 on YouTube with him using leather face and legion that would have you screaming their "too OP" And need a nerf. If your playing survivor against nurse the same way you play against every other killer, your gonna lose almost everytime. Nurse is beatable and can be countered, but you have to play with a whole different strategy and a lot don't get that. Quit trying to nerf the couple viable red rank killers we have. Let's try buffing the not so good killers so they all stand on fair ground.
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Why can you not seem to detach the idea that OP = skilless? Genji for a time in overwatch was much too strong. He is one of the harder heroes to play well with. The overwatch devs didn't just throw up their arms and say "well, he's hard to play so let's leave him be". How insane would that have been...
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Nurse wil get nerfed. There is no other possibility.
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I'm almost convinced you're just trolling, willfully ignoring the point. I mentioned how genji was back in the first few season and you talk about...the current overwatch meta. What?
Literally overpowered has no relation to whether something takes skill or not. I'll give you another (sorry, blizzard again) example. Early World of Warcraft arena days: warlock was quite hard to play well, but when played well was stiflingly overpowering in arena play. Whether something is overpowered or not has no direct relation to whether it is skilless or not. Like, what..
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we can nerf nurse, sure.
AS SOON AS THEY MAKE OTHER KILLERS VIABLE!
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Well then your guess would be wrong. That's the current meta.
But sure, ignore the relevant example, deflect and change the subject. Whether or not overwatch balance as a whole is not good (I agree that it isn't very good), the example is more than apt.
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She doesn't need a nerf, she needs a rework. Mainly to make her viable on console.
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I’d be fine with nerfing the nurse if he had many other viable killers..
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3 nerf nurse threads on the first site of this forum tf lol
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I could say the same thing about Legion. They don't care about us and they would rather listen to 2 sides in an infinite fight against each other about nurse.
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I am a killer only . I'm no good at survivor. But i havent put in the time with nurse to get good with her, i suck at nurse, bad. She is difficult to use, hit or miss literally. And if you miss with her, that head drop is terrible, they have all day to get far away. She is high risk high reward. But in my opinion for her to be OP would mean anyone could use her, and easily smash survivors, that simply isnt the case. Im anti-nerf, for both sides, it sucks what they did to MoM, but more nerfs isnt the answer. Buff something else maybe, but I dont like nerfs in any game.
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Nurse is fine as is. You can't bully nurse. and that's how all killers should be. A survivor should never feel confident enough to make fun of, or otherwise troll a blood thirsty death machine.
The skill wall keeps her in check pretty well anyway. Even the best Nurse mains make mistakes because she is difficult to use. And all it takes is one mistake for everything to fall apart on the killer. where survivors can make several mistakes, and still come out on top.
At this point anybody asking for a Nurse nerf should just be ignored imo.
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How about you put some effort in adapating yourself to the stronger killers like the Nurse?
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ive just had 2 games against pro nurses and let me tell all of you that she is very much indeed capable of utterly destroying everyone, if you cant do it , youre just bad
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Nurse should be more countereable, being a "god nurse" is not enough excuse to 4k every game
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It's just a case of hard to master but pays off if you dedicate. Seems completely fair to me that they 4k every game then
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You should probably go play a different game then. The devs, despite having a hard time keeping the balance, have stated that 2 survivors escaping, 2 survivors being sacrificed is their ideal for the average game (assuming equal skill).
"but killer is the power role! It should win because a killer should be scary!!!" Nonsense. Killers dominate and bully those of lower skill. If I don't play for a while after rank reset and start playing in green/purple ranks, it's not even funny how easily I can bully those survivors. If I get a Survivor I know is boosted in red ranks, taking advantage of that as a red rank killer is not difficult. Similarily, if the survivors are better than a killer they should be able to "bully" the killer. In a team game, balance is more important than some misguided notion that the killer "should be feared. Why?! Because he is the killer, of course!" This isn't real life, it's a game. Games require a certain level of balance to be fun. Keep nurse as she is, or buff other killers to Nurses' level (as many people like you have suggested) and people will just leave this game. Having your skill negated, like current nurse does to good survivors, is not acceptable in a game that aspires to be balanced.
So no, in my opinion comments like yours should be ignored.
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I doubt that on a long term many people would leave the game if all killers would be strong enough for red ranks.
Nearly every succesfull multiplayer games has classes that are "op" in certain situations.
Take the most ego shooters as example:
The sniper class will always "op" on an open field and every newb will keep dieing to them... Until they learned to avoid open spaces and move in ruins/behind hills to reach the sniper.
Same goes for lmg classes.
Or when people use tanks, artillery, or helicopters, or planes - they can one shot (multiple) players like snipers before - pretty op until someone uses rocket launchers/anti air rockets.
And I don't like to start here with the 3k strategies you can use, to let people no chance as to lose the match in strategy games like sc:bw.
If you like to have many people play your game you need to give them a challenge. Something they can beat one day and something where they can rise their own skill on.
That is not possible if you only design killers that give survivors still the time to tbag.
Besides that "balance on 2 survivors surviving a match" sounded for me always like as they would not like to put enough time into their own designed characters to make a balance "4v1" possible.
But that are just my own thoughts to that 4v1 thing and so my opinion on this point is maybe wrong.
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Having your skill negated against a 4 man squad is also not acceptable. The only difference is, it is an unusual type of swf group trying to only win. Good nurses are somewhat rare. Infinites/Semi infinites, safeloops, etc negate your skill as killer too. All of these things, including top level Nurse, need to be balanced, but it is a fact that majority of Killers are weak in the red ranks and their skill gets negated, more often or less, doesn't matter... If you were to balance all the things (map reworks, killer power, survivor perks, everything significant in general) in just one patch, you would need to skip the usual patches and ptb's for like a year or two.
Simply, nurse is too risky to balance now for the sake of majority of killer players, because their belief that survivors are too op will righteously increase. These are risky times because of devs own decisions. Devs did not know much back then (you can check out their legion livestream, its in there somewhere that this 1 dev admits). Legion's rework FELT (keyword) too much to legion players, who are also a part of killer playerbase. Ghostface's slight nerf after the majority of the forums agreed on the opinion that he is fine after the ptb changes also triggered killers. Enduring actually shadow-nerfed/bugged (see how easy it is to look at it in a negative way? im talking about shadow-nerf view.) same thing. There are more examples, like Sprint burst bug after wake up bug, but i think its easy to agree that it is hard to please both sides (this includes the survivor side btw) of the game after what has been done.
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you took op meaning wrong , if sth is op it doesnt mean that everybody can play it , even if sth is hard so that not many players can play it , it still can be op .
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@Talmeer That is correct. I would not want some simple escape every game without a challenge.
For example, if left 4 dead did not have any challenge, yo would not enjoy the game fully because you dont experience getting incapacitated, or hanging down a ledge, or getting challenged by infected basically.
It would be just mindless shooting stupid zombies.
Different game, Mortal Kombat 11. You need to main 1 character for a good time to memorize their moves and gitgud at them.
You can still get challenged by other mains, and feel good when you win because the game depends on 1v1 skill.
Counter strike. If bots were mindless dummys then i would not have fun, because there is not the feeling i expect when i play terrorist or counter terrorist.
There is no fun when you shoot some soldier without getting shot back at. Why defuser and kevlar exist, if you are not going to die or lose?
Challenge exists for that reason. Take resident evil games for example. People said mr.x was easy to dodge and kill, so they made Mr.x in the remake impossible to kill and harder to dodge and constantly searching RPD...
But before that, they made resident evil 3 have a buffed mr.x, and that was the main antagonist of the game.
The antagonist is Nemesis, he is very much harder to fight against and still unkillable, and he also is unexpected. He also waits at the safe room for you
. This antagonist makes the player feel satisfied, if they were expecting to be the prey. And since resident evil games are made to make you feel like the prey, it satisfies those type of players alot.
If you don't like a game, you dont like it. A challenge is part of a game.
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nurse takes an extreme amount and skill practice muscle memory and mind games on console it's extremely hard to to turn and fps is really bad just cause you got sour over 1 game of a good player doesn't mean They should need anything good players should stomp noobs
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Frank's mix tape could dirt legion was arguably better than nurse or spirit
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es, it was. Now look at those 2 addons.
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It's impossible to explain it to them because they've never experienced playing against a good nurse themselves. They all say they play on console where nurse isn't a problem, or try to give advice on how to counter nurse while playing in green ranks. Like that one guy trying to claim that Scott Jund needs to just learn how to play better against nurse.
It's kind of like a rich kid trying to explain to someone who doesn't have enough money to afford tuition "just ask your parents to pay it!" They're living in a bubble. As are the people who think nurse is fine.
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This looks funny coming from someone who never played as nurse, or against a good nurse on PC. Believe it or not, nurse is a floating joke on PS4 compared to PC (I know you play on PS4 from your comments/posts).
Watching a few videos on Youtube is not really enough to form an opinion and participate in a balancing discussion, especially when the topic of discussion is "the nurse".
No hate towards Console players. It is just ... the nurse is not as good as she is on PC
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Hahahaha lol. Love the survivor community. Would you prefer all killers to just stand in a corner and let you repair gens. Next time I will fetch my tool box when I play nurse. Buffs yes but nerfs get outta here.
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she doesnt need to be nerfed/
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Stfu about nurse already. Must be ######### about nurse month.
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I dont personally mind the Nurse if i would change anything it would just be couple of her add-ons as I don't think she needs omega blink or more than 2.
Some of her other add-on need to be looked at as well changed due to a lot having a higher downside from what you gain.
I like versing her as I have to play differently and it changes up the game from versing the usual M1 killers.
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Nurses add ons need reworks sure but nurse herself is fine. People forget that SWF exists and also has the potentional to be incredibly OP, It's one of the main reasons why people are forced to play nurse since majority of the killers can't handle that.
If there were more viable killers your argument would have more room but seeing as there's so little killers who can actually deal with a strong swf, nerfing nurse and making that list even smaller is not a good move.
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