Does borrowed time not work in the dream world?
Haven’t been able to test it yet but it came to mind while playing a match. If I remember correctly once you’re in the dream world there’s no terror radius and it’s replaced by a lullaby. However borrowed time only works when in the killers terror radius so will it never activate while asleep? Before anyone thinks I’m asking for a nerf to the dream world or buff to borrowed time I’m not I’m just curious and wondering if the devs know this and want to keep it or it was unintentional but will be part of the dream world status.
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Just because you can't HEAR the TR, doesn't mean it's not there.
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The lullaby is just a terror radius that sounds different. It's a bit harder to determine proximity so it is a bit "stronger" than having a terror radius, but other than that it functions the same.
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Well,borrowed time could activate before the rework when survivors were awake and they could only hear the lullaby so....
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Huh didn’t know it still worked with old Freddy I never really noticed tbh lol. I just thought about it reading the lullaby thing so I thought it would effect borrowed time. Thanks!
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It works. I've made BT saves against Freddy when asleep.
This is one reason why I push for the BT icon to flash when you give someone BT off the hook, so that you know you gave them BT for sure. Simple QOL change.
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@xCarrie With old freddy, the Lullaby was NOT the TR. The Lullaby and TR both had the same default range of 24 meters, but perks that affected the TR, like distressing or perks that were affected by the TR, like BT...were NOT affected by the lullaby. To give you an idea, if you were awake and heard the Lullaby while Freddy was 22 meters away from you using moniter and abuse to shrink his TR down to 16 meters and was also using unnerving presence, you wouldnt be affected by the unnerving presence until he got to 16 meters of you, even though you could hear the lullaby at 24 meters. To go with the borrowed time question, even if you could hear the Lullaby, BT would work/not work depending on the TR range, not whether or not you heard it.
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I just saw a video of otz, using I'm all ears within a chase so I'm not sure if it truly acts as a traditional terror radius.
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@Maelstrom10 Any idea if it gets affected by things like Insidious? I know OLD Lullaby worked pretty much like Huntress's hum, where it didnt REALLY do anything.
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Not to sure.. I would do some testing rn but I'm currently at work sadly. I don't believe it disappears when using insidious, meaning it's independent like the lullaby.
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@Maelstrom10 I know huntress's hum doesnt disappear, im just checking the differences between old and new freddy lullaby. If Freddys new Lullaby IS affected by insidious, that means it IS a TR, unlike his old lullaby.
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I know man, I'm saying that I think it isin't affected by insidious :P but I'll check when I'm home
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@DudeDelicious You wanna test it with me real quick? You on PC?
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Godammit why are all of us at work haha.
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I'm curious to read the results of all your tests about these topics. :)
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@LordGlint I am currently away from home and, moreover, I play on PS4, not on PC. :(
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@LordGlint I fully support the cross play!
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@Entità I was writing in a thread about it before and ppl kept insisting that all console players would just be fish in a barrel for all PC players. Ppl completely forget that their ALREADY facing ppl using a better console than them (PS4 pro), and players like Marth, who uses a controller for survivor, have demonstrated you can still do VERY well without a keyboard and mouse.
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@LordGlint Yes, I play on PS4 Pro and I accept with no doubt the challenge to face PC players.
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@LordGlint Maybe after the dedicated servers will be implemented.
Returning to the topic of discussion, according to logic Borrowed Time should always work against Freddy, because the hooked survivor is awake and hears the terror radius, and not the lullaby, regardless of whether the latter is treated like a terror radius (for the purposes of Insidious, for example) or not. The question arises as to what happens if the hooked survivor is the obsession and Freddy has the Black Box add-on, which prevents him from waking up. @Peanits Would you kindly give us your valuable technical and official answer in this regard? :)
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The hooked survivor is not the one with Borrowed Time. I'm sure it does work, but your logic is faulty and would, in fact, lead to the opposite conclusion.
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@Orion Yes, but Borrowed Time is a perk aimed at protecting the unhooked survivor, not the rescuer: shouldn't the danger perceived by the first rather than the second survivor take on importance? In the vast majority of cases, there is no difference, but I discuss in principle. The unhooked survivor is the Borrowed Time's "protagonist", or not? The rescuer is just an altruistic mate.
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The unhooker is the one who has the perk, therefore the trigger conditions apply to the unhooker. This is game design 101 and is how literally every other perk works.
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No, because they're still in the killer's terror radius, they just don't know it. On the other hand, the dream world is a separate realm.
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@Orion Also the cloaked Wraith moves into a different realm, the Spirit World, but there is an add-on that gives him, albeit invisible, the terror radius, plus a bonus in BPs. I think we need to analyze the lore according to the mechanics, and not the mechanics according to the lore. The fact remains that I may be wrong: I am only curious to explore what happens in very particular circumstances. :)
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I didn't say your conclusion was wrong, just your logic. That add-on allows the terror radius to stay in the Entity's realm. If there's a Nightmare add-on that did the same, then it would make sense. Saying that Borrowed Time should use the person who doesn't even have the perk to judge whether or not it should activate is like saying Solidarity should activate if you're the one being healed.
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@Entità Did abit of testing. The TR IS NOT the same range as the Lullaby. The Lullabys range is 32 meters, which is fixed. while the TR range can be affected by perks. The thing is, a survivor who is asleep will hear the 32 meter Lullaby instead of the TR, which may be shorter or larger with perks. BT MUST be used in the TR range to work. A Freddy standing still using insidious will still have a 32 meter Lullaby range but 0 meter TR, so BT would not work in this instance. If the Freddy stood next to the hook WITH a TR, BT WILL work, even if the survivors cant hear the TR.
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@LordGlint Thank you very much!
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That's what I expected.
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I'll keep that in mind when I get back to playing the game.
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We'll see. I get the feeling it'll be more useful than you realize.
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Approach with reduced TR, get a hit, TR is replaced with lullaby, mindgame, GG.
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