IMHO it is way overrated. It makes absolutely no difference against good survivors because they will notice the change in your TR and realize you have M&A, which then changes their strategies. I really don't ever find myself falling for the smaller TR because if you suspect the killer has M&A you just make an extra effort to track them visually or by some other means (Spine Chill).

The only killer who gets actual tangible and consistent value from M&A is Myers, and that's mostly because of how it combos with Dead Rabbit. His TR is so small at this point that you can actually get the drop on good survivors if you understand LOS and survivor's perspective.

Hag and Spirit can get some value from it too, to a lesser extent, because they have already a small TR. But even then it can be countered by good positioning and awareness as survivor.

But for any 32m TR killer, M&A is a meme to me. Sure it may help against the 90% of survivors that are trash at the game, but against a good survivor it means nothing. I honestly laugh whenever I see a normie killer run this perk because it's an absolute waste or a perk slot.

Dude as stated objects block line of sight which makes awareness useless and geuss what gens survivors like to knock out first, the gens without cover and walls. Its like you think the survivors will always have a clear line of sight which they often dont

@Marcus Discordance can force survivors to split up to do gens. As the game goes on this becomes more and more difficult, so when there are 1 or 2 gens left to do they are basically forced to proc it. As long as you prioritize that Discord proc you can prevent them from doing gens. Surveillance is very similar, and also holds value regardless of the survivor's skill.

As for M&A + IF, yea there is value but it requires 2 perks. You're not getting value from M&A alone, it's mostly IF, and you can achieve a similar result with Distressing. Not to mention that at 40m IF is rather easy to dodge. You're going to spend a lot of time looking for the survivor because it will take you roughly 9 seconds just to get to the position where they screamed. You are actually better off not even using M&A and just going with IF, because you're not going to capitalize on someone screaming really far away, only if they are relatively close can you even find them.

BBQ still has value at high levels because of the BP boost. It is easy to dodge, but it's so common that some survivors will just ignore it and continue doing whatever it was they were doing anyway, so you can use it to keep tabs on them. So there is more value there than what you'd get from M&A. Ruin also still has value because it forces them to hit great skill checks and can slow them down a little bit if they fail just 1 or 2. At the end of the day, both of these perks have LESS value than usual against good survivors (as any perk would), but there is still something of value there. M&A has 0 value against those same survivors.

@AChaoticKiller LOL, yet survivors can see around corners because they have a third person camera. And you act like it's hard to track a killers movement, it's really not. If you know where the killer was then you can predict the path they will take because it should be the shortest path. All the survivor needs to know is that you have M&A, so the moment they hear a hearbeat they know you are much closer than you would be normally, and with a third person camera they will likely see you long before you see them. I'm telling you M&A is worthless against good survivors. It's a gimmick.

@IamFran So then if I run Boil Over, and majority of killers can't get me to a hook, what will my conclusion be? That Boil Over is a good perk. But it's not. It's a garbo perk, because any good (or just decent) killer will know where hooks spawn and/or will be taking mental notes of where they see hooks, making it useless against players that know how to counter it. DS, on the other hand, can be countered but that counter is to slug the player. You get value out of the perk regardless if the killer knows you have it because it forces them to waste time. Just because it works against a lot of players doesn't actually make it a good perk. What makes something a good perk is that it has tangible results regardless of the skill of the opponent. Hence why I bring up stuff like Pop and Whispers, because it still hurt good survivors.

@thesuicidefox dude do you even play as low TR killers in high rank like seriously enless people are out in the open your gunna get closer than normal and see them also before you post think about your point first cause i can simply say that there are no gens around corners that give you a view of the map that you imply. i would also like to point out is that killers have no stationary objective which means they can look wherever they want, enless its the beginning of the match or the killer cant find the survivors they are certainly not predictable. Also enless you suck at playing killer your not going to patrol gens the same way each time. Last thing, what you say implys that myers sucks hard since he couldnt possibly sneak up on survivors after they know its him yet every time i play him i easily sneak up on people at rank 1 even when theres only 1 gen left to repair.

I play Spirit, Hag (but not recently because I don't find her much fun anymore), GF, and Freddy (old and new) at rank 1. The only killer I found use for M&A is Hag, but there are still like 10 other perks that are better options.

What I said implies nothing about Myers. I said he's the only killer that gets actual benefit from M&A at red ranks. The rest is you assuming things.

I'm rank 1 killer and survivor. M&A will not help you against a survivor like me, and I know many survivors as good as me or better. M&A never helps me at red ranks, especially on normie TR killers. Stop trying to say it's good. I've seen it, I've tried it, it's not really that good. The chances of you sneaking up on me with M&A are null except for maybe the first time you show up before I've realized you have M&A. But once I do, then it's not going to work. Trust me.

If you're sneaking up on a survivor at rank 1, they aren't a GOOD survivor. They are probably boosted. Sorry but it's the truth. M&A is a gimmick.

EDIT: I also play Huntress, and even though she is one of my favs she too map dependent nowadays for me to have actual fun with her. I play her only for dailies or after a rank reset. Once they bring m/kb support to DBD on Xbox and/or fix some of the maps then I will probably play her more. So when you ask "do you even play low TR killers" I basically play every one of them except Myers, which I already stated is the only killer that benefits from M&A.