Removing certain maps from the pool until reworked?

The killer could just break chase and go after someone else. But yeah I can see why Haddonfield is a problem. It only works if the survivors have balanced landing.

The game has close to zero ######### of loops though and some of them are a one way ticket or not fast loopable, they are so few that is not even a comparison to ANY map. Basically the map last as long as there are pallets/and you know where they are/. There is also the most horrible place for basement from all maps. Basically camped from the majority of the killers if you get caught cause it is just that easy. Some of the best pallets on that map are also VERY close to that basement/which make them VERY risky/. Also gens are extremelly hard to find on bottom floor, you just have no vision on them, so you have to run around the entire map to find them. Very easy to 3 gens yourself cause you can't tell where the other gens are at any given time. Also extremelly hard to tell what pallets are already used cause you just can't see where the killer is most of the time so you have to run and HOPE there is a pallet ahead. Also hex totems are a nightmare there. Ruin, DH and the all time favourite NOED are very hard to find and NOED close to impossible to prevent. As you know killers claim it is just very to to clear all totems - well not on that map I am sorry. Even with Small Game it is just so hard cause you have 2 floors and the perks does not tell you a floor... Half the stage is very very bright, there is no grass anywhere - it is extremelly easy for a killer to follow scratches or to find ones, it is just impoisbble to lose the killer there. That's not a fun concept. Such horrible areas should not exist and make this map a breeze for killers

You can't say because you probably didn't read it. I thought myself it was way too long but there are THAT many problems on that map...

I don't know for how long you play DBD but if killers see what you just said about the balanace they would hunt you down ... If the game was balanced around SWF there would not be a million of threads of how UNFAIR SFWs are. The game is not even close to be balanced around SFWs because the majority of players are actually SOLO. It has been proven by the devs few months ago with stats. Also these 2 maps I mentioned are at the bottom for the % escapes - same stats from devs

I literally answered about that in my next post a bit below the initial post. The normal map design looks like this - a fair amount of pallets and then a FAIR amount of loops - like 5-6-7 where you can fast vault a few times like the shack loop. On this map I can think of only 2 loops on the bottom floor where u can fast vault more then once. So it is a more of a trade - more pallets for less loops. Problem is pallets don't grow back so survivors are on a timer. With other words the longer the match goes the worse it gets and this map is N1 map for slowing down the survivors with all the things I mentioned already - hexes, placements of pallets, gens, basement, lack of vision, easy for the killer to chase etc. It is just not even close / Lerys ofc being just as bad/

I don't think the amount of pallets or loops is as much of an issue right now, I think the problem lies more in the safety or strength of each loop and how maps generation can really screw killers over. There are a lot of pallets that are either non-mindgameable / rely solely on the survivor being bad, or ones that force a pallet break instead of any other counterplay. Pallets like the ones outside of Thompson house or Cow Tree come to mind for un-mindegameable pallets, and the pallets in the basement of old Badham or the ones that spawn near the basement in The Game come to mind as absolute chasebreakers. These aren't fun to play around because they cannot be played around - the killer simply needs to accept the loop and eat the pallet, no matter how much time it takes, because there is nothing else to do.

There also is the issue of certain complex buildings / "setpiece buildings" in some maps being able to spawn loops so strong that they create a "safe area" for survivors to abuse. These are things like Wretched Shop's god awful double window loop, the brick wall window loop in the Ironworks of Misery, any house in Haddonfield combined with Balanced Landing, Killer Shack spawning in certain places. There's also stuff like Crotus Penn's entire central building, or the double-window Library nigh-infinite in Lery's. These, in my opinion, are just because the devs are too lazy or unwilling to make the easy minor fixes to these buildings to make them generate in a "fair" way every time.

If every pallet was mind-gameable to the same degree, then it wouldn't really matter how many pallets were on the map - if the killer wins two mindgames in a row, they get a down. Instead, there are safe loops that demand a pallet break,and some loops, like Rancid Abbatoir's window loop, which can be game-ending if a killer is stupid enough to actually chase a survivor through. Sometimes you just have to know when not to chase.

As a note to people who go "lol xd they're not actually infinite hurr durr, you can eventually catch someone in 5 minutes if you do it right" - that's not the argument when people call something an "infinite". It's an "infinite" because by the time you catch the survivor, enough progress has been made for the survivors to effectively end the game.