A potential change for D-Strike that may make it stronger, but fair

Yes it's dumb, the situation you describe should never be possible to happen but it happens all the time

Your suggestion can work but I think a better one would be that all active (usable) DS become inactive when a survivor is hooked. A shorter timer doesn't make it impossible just less likely, a specific condition / time where you know that DS is now inactive would feel a lot better

I also think that current version of DS is far too abuseable and this is decent idea. There are many ways devs could change it to make it more anti tunneling perk and I hope they will.

I though maybe chaning it to make the timer 1min and 30s but it is disabled if you start to do any interaction like healing, repair, sabo or get healed. That way it would allow you to run far away from the hook and then continue the match after you think you're safe.

In chases yes, but not in TR.

Killer can chase other survivor in the meantime.

I'd also welcome seeing it disabled if survivor attempts action like unhooking other survivor as it's silly at the moment.

Some players will abuse bodyblock and waste killer's time, as with Borrowed time. Personally I slug if I'm not sure and if you use the perk Make your Choice, you can use it as a timer.

I figured this would also prevent people from being "safe" while they unhook someone, repair a gen, ect. I see alot of ppl suggest just slugging, but many ppl have been taking to just jumping into the nearest locker if the killer comes their way to PREVENT slugging.

How about changing the stun time, according to time passed since the unhook? 5 seconds if you’re downed after 20 seconds, 4.5 after 40, and 4 afterwards.

@SensualPotato

What about really toxic players, or players with really bad connections or really good players that are an actual threat to the killer doing their job.

E.g. not that long ago i came across a SWF duo (one of which was rank 2 to my rank 12) that were running super powerful flashlights and they weren't afraid to use them whenever. This was one of the few times i'd camp/tunnel because they had made themselves a target with a mixture of toxicity/being a threat. What if they had a way to never run out of DS, i needed them gone but would end up wasting time by getting DS or by letting them go. Time is super important to a killer and can't afford to waste it.

Tunnelling is part of the game and sometimes necessary to win as killer.

The timer stopping during chases and in TR is a massive buff to the perk that it doesn't need.

Excuse me, but what you said sounds like when killer is punished for tunneling cancels out when killer is punished for not tunneling. Killer is punished either way.

Just make DS base for all survivors. Get off the hook and hit instantly? Bam stun the killer who hit you right off the hook for 6 seconds. They'll get better aim or stop camping/tunneling. Slug someone down and leave them down over a minute? Start deducting points. No survivor enjoys laying on the ground to bleed out while the killers runs off and sleeps in a corner or humps you for the timer. There's definitely ways the game can penalize toxic behavior however it encourages it.

Have we learned nothing from Legion? Mechanics based on being chased ALWAYS get abused, no matter how little the benefit. Killers will gladly moonwalk if that means D-strike gets disabled.

Slugging for a minute is an abuse now? D:

Isn't it the only sensible thing to do if somebody makes an unsafe unhook? This thing MUST be punished.

That’s what you took from the post?!

Ok let’s flip it. Is it fair that a survivor brings an anti- tunnel perk, get tunneled, and doesn’t get to use it? Nope... sure isnt, but betting you don’t care about that part of it. So what I am saying is both sides can occasionally get screwed, but overall it’s working as intended. Just deal with it, it doesn’t need any changes that might end up ruining it.

Wait, what the heck do you mean by "bring anti-tunneling perk, get tunneled, and doesn’t get to use it?"? He misses it or something?

The fact that the perk at it's core is: "Can I please get to play more than one hook" shows how bad tunneling is rewarded in the current 'meta' due to imbalance. However, you would say it is abusing DS to jump into the locker so you can stun the anti-tunneling killer. However, it isn't abuse to slug and camp until 1 minute is up to avoid the ability of the perk. Again some people seem to only be able to make judgement calls that purely benefit themselves. However, my suggestion is to remove the ability to abuse DS and makes it so you will NOT be hit with it if you do not tunnel. The only FAIR thing to do is give them the balance of their problem as well being slugged until the timer is up.

Your logic is a prime example of why I see "Oh Killer/Survivor Main biased AF." You are abusing the design of the perk. Similar to legion walking backwards it was an abuse of how the mechanic was designed.

But don't worry make a snark comment D: instead of putting any thought behind it. >.>

You are also punishing the person that was already on the hook which is essentially a gameplay timeout corner. Which even they are saying they didn't want to be unhooked, however, you can't prevent it. Which is why the concept of "Safe Hook Rescue" needs to be redefined.

I'd rather see this perk work against tunnelling killers.

At the moment when survivor gets unhooked most of the time that survivor will run to any other hook to cheaply save someone else from the hook for safe points.

He then can't get picked up for 60 seconds due to DS still being active. It isn't tunnelling, it's chasing the idiot that farms his teammate.

I wasn't snarky here. I was serious. People pull each other from the hook in completely unrespectful manner because they know they can afford that. Only way of "counter play" (more like a compromise) is down that person and let someone pick him up (because protecting him for a whole minute is just stupid). Perk works already, killer not gonna pick you up. Seriously, now we're complaining that DS leads to slugs? What, it should give armor, like mettle of man, but also stun a killer if hits you (that's basically how "locker abuse" works)? Speaking of being biased.

>Where were you when killers used to juggle survivors to avoid the old DS?

That's why it was fixed.

And? Why did they remove 35% wiggle progress condition?

I meant the fact it self that DS didn't work instantly =_= Whatever you say, my point was that it have been changed so it actives before killer can take an action, therefore "cheap tactic" was fixed.

I would prefer DS timer to be removed and instead remain active on both unhooks for a total of 2 uses 1 per hook until another survivor has been hooked at which point the DS remains inactive until your unhooked again. If you happen to be the last survivor though the perk will remain inactive or turn off.

Basically if you tunnel it affects you if you dont tunnel it's a wasted slot. It's all up to the killer how useful DS is.