######### is wrong with tose toxic Survivor's?

I hate crybaby ragenauts who DC and get salty in postgame chat just as much as anyone else, but half of what you've described here is just smart, aggressive survivor play.

A BT user is incentivized to hook-dive, because it keeps you optimally distracted while at least two people are clear to work gens. It's still a risk on their part, but it's what the perk was designed to do.

"Gen camping" is one of the dumbest terms I have ever heard anyone use. Survivors are supposed to be as aggressive as they can be about gen repairs, it's how they win. I've fixed a gen under an occupied killer's nose many times; I'm not trying to be toxic or unduly harass anyone, I'm making a play that I believe is smart in the moment, probably because a gen is close enough that I think I can finish it. The killer's proximity is not my concern, if he's distracted.

As for infinite looping...I dunno what to tell you, man. You need to know when the best play is to break off a chase. If I'm playing killer and I see that a particular survivor is exceptional at wasting my time, I'm not going to fixate on them at the cost of everything else.

I did actually state in my reply they were being abused.

It's not an Infinite it's just an extremely long loop. You will eventually catch someone so by definition it can not be an infinite.

Any competent killer will get them it just takes a lot longer than it should for most and some deploy mind games which stealth killers are good at, cut them off, trap the window/stairs, blink, throw a hatchet, some killers just have better tools than others.

Actual infinites were removed long ago.

Read above. An infinite and long loop are different. The ones you mentioned are no where near infinites just long loops which can be ran for too long.

By definition an Infinite is a place where it would be impossible to ever catch them.

Whys is looping and gen rushimg considered toxic us survivors shouldn't feel bad for doing our job and surviving just like killers say we aren't friends so why should we care about killers feeling so Yeah I'm gonna keep being a toxic survivor

If you're chasing a survivor in what you might call a "infinitive loop" , that was your choice no one put a gun to your head forcing you to loop there.

You could have easily broke off the chase, chase someone else.

It's how this works. Sometimes you have to break chase, even when it's not in a strong loop.

You want to know why you should care? It's called having empathy. Basic human decency. There is a human being playing against you that should be respected just as you should be.

How bold of you to outright state you will continue being toxic. How deplorable...

But killers don't care about our feeling so why should we care about theirs I've tried playing respectively but it anyways resulted in me dying until i realized that the only way to survive is playing toxicly meaning doing the objective as fast as i can, looping to stall as long as possible. Like the killers say we aren't friends. until killers show humainty i won't

You think they are?

Ask yourself a question.

Can you catch a survivor running round them? If the answer is yes but it takes a long time then they are not infinites they are really long loops.

Again an infinite made it impossible to ever catch a survivor which used to be in the game but we're removed with various changes.

In my opinion there really isn't such a thing as Gen Camping. That's just playing the game. If you notice them doing it it gives you an advantage knowing they'll come back. Break the Gen then stalk it. Looping has been complained about for years. Is there actually a thing called hook camping?

T-Bagging is infuriating. It's rude and instantly angers me. It takes away from the spirit of competition and makes it toxic.

Face camping makes you give up. As a survivor, when you know your killer is a camper it makes you want to quit playing and ruins any chance of a meshing of you and your team mates.

There is no better feeling than knowing you've played well and with respect and dignity. I never get mad at a killer that's just really good. I could be the first out and give him props if he plays a good clean game.

If this is considered toxic what would you prefer I do as a survivor main? I dont taunt killers, but a lot of that seems like its the game? If I cant run fron a killer or work on generators, why am I playing the game?

Gen rushingnis completing the the objective as fast as possible. The killer equivalent of that is downing, hooking, and finding the next survivor as quick as possible. Face camping is not at all the killer equivalent of gen rushing.

Thank god you said that, I didnt know how to respond to that

Map pressure slows gen rushes but doing gens is the survivors role you can't blame them for playing the game. T-baggers are trying to get you angry so you make mistakes don't give them the satisfaction. If someone is BT hook rushing they aren't saved by their own BT so get the unhooker. It supports your style of play. Loops are sucky but you have two choices, break the chase if its going bad or anticipate their actions and position yourself. In one comment you asked if someone else played killer. Maybe you should play more survivor so you can understand how they do it and use your knowledge to improve your ability to anticipate them and up your killer game. The best players in this game do both sides.

So what you’re saying is: Trying to survive and using helpful strategies is toxic now? ok.

The only toxic things you mentioned are rage-quitters and teabaggers. I think you should learn what toxicity is. The term has been strewn about so much in the game that now I've even seen people saying it's toxic to heal at pallets.

Toxicity is being an overall #########, to the point where the behavior spreads and becomes more of an issue, I.E. teabagging and rage quitting, thus why it is called 'toxic.' People like yourself spread the stigma that survivors and killers should follow specific, made up rules and it's so annoying.

I agree with being against the giving up after being downed enough times (sometimes enough times is just once :/) as much as I agree with being against letting survivors bleed out because they ran loops on you. But I'm against literal parts of the game, I.E. perks like BT and DS, as well as perks like NOED and Franklin's, being frowned upon because they made a person inconvenienced a few games.

Some of your complaints are simply part of the gameplay. Gen rushing is a strategy. The whole purpose of playing survivor is to escape and survive. Shocker, right?. Completing generators as quick as possible is the goal when playing survivor. They allow more than one person on a gen and speed up the repairing for a reason.... They also give altruistic points for a reason.

Also, you think it's toxic when survivors repair generators while you're not in the area? Are you [expletive] kidding me? "Yeah, let me wait for the killer to come near me and see me before I work on this gen. I'll definitely get it done that way." Do you not realize how [expletive] ridiculous that sounds? Unbelievably ridiculous.

You said it's toxic for someone to unhook someone when you leave the area? Umm no. It's smart is what it is. Unhooking someone in front of a killer is an easy way to get your team mate down, even with BT. Sorry if people don't want to give you easy downs and have their team mates get tunneled to death. Also, you said you don't want to camp, and implied that unhooking survivors in front of you leaves you no choice but to camp and tunnel. I can sort of get that, but at the same time you have the option to go after the person with full health and not the previously hooked survivor.

When it comes to infinite loops, you should already know when to break the chase and move on to another survivor. It should be common sense that if you're chasing the same survivor for 5+ min, you're giving the other survivors plenty of time to complete gens while you're wasting time trying to get that down. Apply map pressure. Patrol gens and don't chase a survivor for half of the game.

Tbagging and rage quitting are toxic, but everything else you said is just you whining because you didn't win. "I just want to have fun." No. You just want to win. When you feel entitled to win, everything is toxic.

"Absolutely ridiculous" What did I say that was ridiculous? Treating somone else with respect should be a given. Also, what's obvious, is that playing the game as intended and not being a dick isn't toxic. It's a game. Believe it or not, this is not actually life or death.

I have over 100 moris stacked up and now I use Dying Light with a mori where i just tunnel the obsession. I mean, its a way to play the game, so nothing wrong with it.