[Perk buff suggestion]: Slippery Meat

I already don't like the idea of the perk being better against exactly one Killer.  I would rather not have it be better against exactly two.

KissyKissy said:

When someone suggests a reasonable buff to an underpowered perk: "Wont work", "Uselesss", "Way OP", "Doesnt Make Sense."

If the Dev's actually put the exact change in the next patch: "Great move!", "Finally!"

I would not be happy if the devs did this exact thing.  And not because I main Pig.  I would feel the same way if Tinkerer was buffed to say "The speed of searching Jigsaw Boxes is decreased by 15/20/25%."

SpitfireOrMichina said:

Lol, are you guys serious???
I'm talking about a perk buff which is actualy weak. I'm not talking about nerfing the Pig. But i guess you guys cant make the difference. Ok so, if i'm following your logic, Calm Spirit is litteraly TOO op because it disable the entier Doctor power. But, who play Calm Spirit? Who play Slipery Meat? Uh? Nobody, that's right! Another thing. How it doesn't make sense? Remind me the name of this perk please. S L I P P E R Y M E A T. What make this buff senseless when you have to put your arms in a box trap, bleeding by shaking your arms and have a chance to find the right key.

I don't like things that are not Killer add-ons that still directly interact with a Killer's power.  As far as I am aware, the only thing that should augment a specific Killer's power is that Killer's add-ons.

How about make it to where the pickup animation is 2 seconds longer if they have this perk?

Better for flash saves?

they are traps, since can be used to hunt survivors by tunneling this traps, that have your hands trapped inside, the Pig trap its not only the bomb but a whole system for what you have to go to that trap boxes that will cut your hands and make you scream and giving away your position to the killer, that boxes are part of the system to trap the survivor and denie it its silly.

The whole franchise of saw movies its about a killer that set traps. The lvl of delusional you are reaching to protect your killer its epic, i know the Pig suffered a big nerf with that bomb traps not exploding in the head of survivor at the exit gates, but the Pig traps are traps, same than Hag traps, Freddy traps, Trapper traps, Felix from Re:Zero anime or Astolfo from Fate. All them are traps and if you dont take care you will fall in that traps.

The pig its another killer that use traps to kill and what not make sense its having a skill to survive to traps and it dosnt seems afect to Freddy, Hag, or the Pig but only the Trapper, thats an obvious case of a perk that got outdated since only the Trapper set traps on that time, but now lots of killers use traps and that perk must be buffed.

No, please, no

No more indirect nerfs to Pig and it's already ridiculously easy to escape from a Bear Trap. If I had a dollar for the amount of times I as a survivor or seen survivors get out on their first try or second, I could buy a boatload of auric cells.

A 25% escape chance would ensure Trapper would always have to run Honing Stone if Small Game became popular. Which while unlikely considering the four meta perks are set in stone, it's still a perk that would hard counter his entire power

I repeat you yes they are traps, The pig its a traps playstyle killer, the whole franchise of movies of Saw are about the diferent traps the killer use, and that boxes are part of the trap, and are also traps by theirself because you have your hands trapped inside, because they hurt you and make you bleed like traps do, and when you scream you give away your position to the killer, so they are traps to spot you and kill you, with a small chance to find the key wich is totally irrelevant since even Trapper traps have that small chance to escape of the trap.

Also dont juzgue ppl for their name, better look on my steam profile and the hours i played this game. And about ghost face i just want say its a p2w killer that wasnt releassed with a counter survivor in the DLC, so has no counter, and if struggle at rank 1 its something no one cares cuz ppl that pay for p2w items or chars just care about win 100 matches downranking on prupose, they dont want to be a free to play nurse that sufer agony during 3 prestiges and 20 ranks to be OP, they pay to get easy kills, and thats why ghost face being a very uncharismatic killer its getting sold so well, ghost face works perfectly to that p2w function, and needs a nerf because p2w its something i dont want in my game and ruin the whole game just because few kids want pay to onshot low lvl survivors, its a silly business model and the best way to kill your own game.

What you are doing here its like see the movie of saw and when the girl its tied to the chair, with a bomb-bear trap in the head, you say the chair its not a trap cuz....its a chair...and the bomb its not a trap cuz...its a bomb lol go tell that to the girl suffering it lmao

@GhostfaceneedaNerf Lemme break this up so I can specifically answer parts of your argument, couldn't do it earlier since I had been on my phone.

I won't even get into how bad your grammar is. You're welcome.

"I repeat you yes they are traps, The pig its a traps playstyle killer,"

The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own.

"the whole franchise of movies of Saw are about the diferent traps the killer use, and that boxes are part of the trap,"

The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies, and if this were like the movies then the Pig would have a 100% kill rate, as she never fights fair.

"and are also traps by theirself because you have your hands trapped inside, because they hurt you and make you bleed like traps do, and when you scream you give away your position to the killer"

They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.

"so they are traps to spot you and kill you, with a small chance to find the key"

The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance, a good survivor could easily do the boxes without getting found via missed skill checks.

"wich is totally irrelevant since even Trapper traps have that small chance to escape of the trap."

Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.

TL;DR

The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity.

A single Reverse Bear Trap will always have a definitive Box to go with it. It's a 1/4 chance YOU find the box, not a 1/4 chance that the box you search will have the key (meaning that the box can either be the closest one to you, or the furthest one once the bear trap is on).

This is different from the Trapper as there will always be a chance to free yourself or be freed by others.

I tell you what, I would have loved this buff the other day when a pig had double gears and I died to a trap 4 minutes into the game.

i couldnt care less about grammar since its not my mother language and i lived a long time in Scottland and no one was a jerk to me or complain about it like you do now, instead they cheered me up for talk 3 diferent languages withouth problems, not to mention many young ppl from UK talk worst than me through movile messages. Now about your arguments:

1."The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own":

That a plain fallacy, this traps are not a solution, a killer its there to kill you, not to save you,(well maybe in the movie wanted save you, but no one in this game do) The traps function its not kill, but trap, thats why are called traps, but even with that, they hurt you, they make you lose time and they can get you killed in atleast 4 ways: cutting your hands to make you scream and spot you, same than Trapper traps do, since you cant waste time healing you will leave lots of blood and get spotted again, just dont giving you the key and making the bomb explode, and last making the laugh sound to spot you while you have your hands trapped. Its not a solution to the problem, it could be before end of the world patch, but now pigs only use the bear traps to force you go to the box traps, so they can spot you and kill you, in fact bear traps dont even explode at the exit gates anymore, so they are even less of a trap than the box since they dont even trap you

2."The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies":

It dosnt matter the box are not in the movies, the traps of the movies not being in the game its irrelevant, the important thing in the movies you see ppl die through diferent random crazzy traps, they could be a box that cut your hands or a bear trap, or a shotgun that only make noise, or a bird with a bomb inside, no matter if they dont look like a trap, they are traps to kill and this game copied that lore perfectly.

3."They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.":

Another fallacy, they bring you down x2 health states if the killer use the grab, its basically an insta hook trap, the bleeding its ALWAYS temporary, and fail an skill check its a cuestion of stadistic, if you think being very good will make you never fail an skillcheck, then you never studied maths at school. If you ever played this game you would know only a friendly noob pig before "end of the world" patch would let you play with the boxes, any pig that want make a kill will inmediatly go in stealth mode, follow your bleeding and insta down you at the box trap, if want achive a kill withouth end infinite pallet looped like a noob.

4."The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance":

If you think that you should be the worst pig killer on the game, just because you dont know how to use them to insta down survivors dosnt mean they are useless, if you want learn how to do it just read point 3.

5."Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.":

i dont see the diference, in bobth case its a question of luck you manage to manually free yourself, with the trapper traps or the pig ones, in all case the pig ones are more elaborated traps and harder to get free yourself, something you cant do withouth the boxes cuz are part of the trap.

6."The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity."

No they are not, in the movie the traps from jigsaw had a chance to free yourself because he say, you can free yourself through suffer (through suffer his traps), that was his philosophy, its nothing of a solution, watch the movies again, its a soul salvation through enduring, idk if here the entity grants it, but in the movies was jigsaw the one granting liberation through pain, wich is a twisted logic and thats why police wanted jail him, because if you suffered yet the pain and maybe cutted your hands, the soul liberation its worthless.

Also as you has stated you cant free yourself withouth that box, meanning they wouldnt leave you escape withouth that boxes so wouldnt work like the trapper traps, but since they are there, you can free yourself same like with the trapper, wich means they are part of the trap, and they are basically WHAT ITS KEEPING YOU TRAPPED, so they are traps, also trapper traps always have a chance to free yourself, specially with "slippery meat" perk wich still dont make sense only afects to him but not the pig, the hag, or the new freddy, because the perk lore its about being hard to get catched on a trap, and if dosnt help you with the boxes, then its not DOING HIS FUNCTION properly.

I couldnt care less about my grammar since its not my mother language, and i lived a long time in Scottland and ppl wasnt a jerk or complain about it like you do now, plus many young ppl in UK writte a lot worst than me through mobile phone messages, so yeah...i couldnt care less, specially because they cheered me up for speak 3 languages and work like the best of them so thats the important thing. Now leaving behind the grammar nazis and insults, lets go about your arguments:

1."The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own":

Thats a plain fallacy, bear traps are more irrelevant than never since end of the world they dont explode in the exit and dont keep you "trapped". The boxes in the opposite can get you killed atleast in 4 ways: Denie the key and make the bomb explode, make the laugh sound and spot you, stop you from healing to make you bleed and spot you through your bleeding, getting catch on the trap and insta hooked. They are traps, its what keep you trapped, withouth them you would insta die or insta free yourself, the only reasson you are trapped its cuz the box, they are not a solution, THE KEY ITS THE BAIT NOT THE SOLUTION, you can actually do engines and escape with a bear trap in your head and if the killer its next to you the timmer will stop.

2"The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies".

If they are in the movie or not its irrelevant, the movies are about ppl dying to crazzy traps, it could be a bird with a bomb inside(in that case you sure say the bird isnt a trap right ? but a bird...) it could be a shotgun that make noise instead of shot to make the killer find you, or whatever, in all case the game captured the essence of the weird crazzy traps with that boxes and bear traps, withouth the boxes you wouldnt have the feeling of have to escape to diferent traps.

3."They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.":

Thats another fallacy, You have your hands trapped, if you get scared and try run they will cut you and you will scream, and they will slow down your escape, they bring you down x2 health state when killer use the grab, if you think being good will allow you to never fail an skill check then you never studied stadistic or maths at the school, if you ever played this game you will know you scream when fail skillcheck or the pig spawn behind you and you force the disengage with the box so thats 2 situations not 1, as you can see you are full of lies and half-trues.

Only a noob/friendly pig would let you play with the boxes after "end of the world" patch, if you would play as pig atleast 2 or 3 times, you would knew the most easy way to do the first kill its get in stealth mode, follow the bleeding of the survivor(the bear trap only works for that, to keep them away from healing) , and then use the box trap to insta down the survivor, being the bear trap an useless tool that you need just to do that, and since end of the world, kill the first survivor asap its a priority, so you better learn to do this soon as possible or trust your bear traps and get tea bagged at the exit doors by survivors with your bear traps as hats in their heads.

4."The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance, a good survivor could easily do the boxes without getting found via missed skill checks"

If you trully belive that then you should be the worst Pig killer in the game, Its basically an insta hook trap, just because you dont know how to use them to insta down survivors dosnt mean they are useless. If you want learn to instadown survivors with the box trap, just read point 3.

5."Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.":

I dont see the diference its cuestion of luck in both case that you free yourself from trapper or the pig in time, just the pig ones are more elaborated traps and have more mechanism to slow you down while trpper ones are more easy to "place and forget". In both case you free yourself manually, depends of trapper add ons you will will have more luck or less, and with the pig depends of the box you will have more luck or less.

6."The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity."

In the movies was Jigsaw the one giving the chance of salvation through pain no the entity, so again its not true what you say, maybe in the game its the entitiy, but in the movies was Jigsaw twisted logic about find "salvation through pain", and it was a twisted logic because if you pass through pain first then your soul salvation its worthless, and thats why he was a psychokiller and police wanted jail him, otherwise he would be claimed as a hero that saves ppl.

You also seems totally unaware of how Pig main killers are complainning bear traps are absolutly useless, actually box traps its you best way to oneshot survivors by grabbing them, they are not a solution but an elaborated trap, for ppl who thinks like you, the key its not your freedom but a bait, bear traps dont trap survivors anymore, but box traps do.

PS:As you can see you dont understand how to use box traps, you dont know how to play pig, and probably all survivors will escape from you with your beloved bear traps in the head, and they will go through the exit laughing at you, because you are a full of lies and half-trues that you belive yourself, you wasted a lot of time writting a bunch of crap, that only make things worst for the Pig since the mayor complain of Main killers PIg its bear traps being useless after "end of the world" patch, so next time plz talk about the topic wich is slippery meat perk, and try dont talk about what you dont know, and specially dont tell how to play to this who actually know how to do it, or just dont talk at all about what you dont understand.

I repeat you yes they are traps, The pig its a traps playstyle killer, the whole franchise of movies of Saw are about the diferent traps the killer use, and that boxes are part of the trap, and are also traps by theirself because you have your hands trapped inside, because they hurt you and make you bleed like traps do, and when you scream you give away your position to the killer, so they are traps to spot you and kill you, with a small chance to find the key wich is totally irrelevant since even Trapper traps have that small chance to escape of the trap.

Also dont juzgue ppl for their name, better look on my steam profile and the hours i played this game. And about ghost face i just want say its a p2w killer that wasnt releassed with a counter survivor in the DLC, so has no counter, and if struggle at rank 1 its something no one cares cuz ppl that pay for p2w items or chars just care about win 100 matches downranking on prupose, they dont want to be a free to play nurse that sufer agony during 3 prestiges and 20 ranks to be OP, they pay to get easy kills, and thats why ghost face being a very uncharismatic killer its getting sold so well, ghost face works perfectly to that p2w function, and needs a nerf because p2w its something i dont want in my game and ruin the whole game just because few kids want pay to onshot low lvl survivors, its a silly bussyness model and the best way to kill your own game.

What you are doing here its like see the movie of saw and when the girl its tied to the chair, with a bomb-bear trap in the head, you say the chair its not a trap cuz....its a chair...and the bomb its not a trap cuz...its a bomb lol go tell that to the girl suffering it lmao

The perk currently is really garbage. If they buffed your attempt numbers and the odds of success it might be worth using even without luck offerings.

Killer mains should be happy if more perks become good. Then it can stop being the same few perks every game survivors use.