Everything we complain about has counter play.

Still, you shouldn't be forced to run a specific perk just so you can counter a bullshit item or add-on, especially when you don't know if they are gonna be used.

*loads into blood lodge vs omega blink nurse* Quess I should just learn to hide and break the chase.

You get stunned for 5 seconds. There’s no reason to be so afraid of being stunned for 5 seconds

Neither will 2 minutes of giving up chases

A strategy that speeds up chases. Giving up chases doesn't speed up chases.

Downs are a requirement to get gen pressure unless you're doctor. And someone on a gen doesn't have any reason to not be watching for you in order to be ready to run if you chase them.

Letting a Survivor go to chase someone else is the equivalent of throwing away the time you just spent chasing them. It's a losing strategy since the next person you chase will just do the same thing the first one did (or should anyways) leading you right back where you started. You have to eventually commit to a chase in order to get anywhere.

Explain. How does letting someone go help you down someone.

The time between letting someone go and chasing someone else is time that no one is being pressured. The person you were chasing can just hop on a gen immediately. And when you start chasing the next person then you are now yet again chasing and thus only pressuring a single survivor. You are thus worse off than if you just kept chasing the 1st survivor to begin with.

You're missing the point. Survivors are functionally identical. If you are struggling with 1 survivor then whatever they did to make you struggle the other 3 survivors can do too.

So you ought struggle with all 4 survivors. The only reason why this wouldn't be the case is if one or more of the Survivors is just bad by comparison, and relying on that is no good way to craft a strategy.

If you trapped where they ran then just chase the initial survivor to that spot in the first place.

Situations where that isn't possible also involve more than 30 seconds of setup for the first hit, let alone a down.

If you got a hit this way it was because you found a weak link, not because the strategy itself is effective.

If you keep trapping gens as Hag, you gonna get hard countered by smart survivors and Urban Evasion users, so I'm telling you to change this strategy.

No. The issue isn't that survivors hit traps.

The issue I'm bringing up is that if the strategy only works on certain survivors then it follows that good survivors can just not act like the certain survivors it works on and thus can counter the strategy.

If it doesn't depend on that sort of thing and instead depends on for example the outcome of a mindgame then you shouldn't need to change targets. You can just do whatever your strategy is on the first survivor.

I know? You don't need to switch targets for that though. You can just down the first person to begin with, no need for this dubious juggling shenanigans.

You still haven't explained how that helps. The person I'm currently chasing will just hop on a gen and leave me no better off than if I just kept chasing the initial person to begin with. Likely worse off since the person on the gen is most likely further away.

How exactly do you down them faster. You just asserted that they can't run the same loops without actually justifying that claim.

And it doesn't matter if the gen is at 50% unless you are going to immediately kick it, which won't get you very far since now they have a ton of distance.

Otherwise it doesn't matter since the important thing is the total number of charges put into the 5 gens with the most progress. It isn't until mid-late game where specific gens are more important unless you're doing a specific strat or are playing Freddy. It's not like it matters what order the gens are done in outside of a 3 gen strat ect.

You said to abandon every chase if it lasts more than 30 seconds, but what if all survivors can stall ghe chase more than 30 seconds ? You can't abandon everyone.

On PC, there are certain set ups that cannot be countered.

Example: Nurse with overpowered add ons. There's nothing survivors can do except die.

Example: Spirit with overpowered add ons. There's nothing survivors can do except die.

Example: Wraith on Haddonfield. There's nothing the killer can do except lose.

So no, not everything has counter play. And both sides are fully justified when they complain about these overpowered aspects of the game.

Yes, when they loop me at unmindgameable loops and bullshit buildings, I get very outplayed by survivors. And if I leave a chase, other survivors can loop me into these areas too.

I don't talk about Hag and Trapper, I talk about killers in general. Not every killer can counter these buildings/loops. Even Trapper can't, because his traps are #########.

No...not every killer can counter loops. Nurse, Spirit, Hag, and Trapper (sometimes Huntress) can counter loops. Trapper isn’t an issue to most survivors because he has zero map control. Hag is countered by flashlights. Huntress has zero map control.

I see A LOT of bitching about Nurse and Spirit because they counter loops, have a lot of map control, and have have high chase potential.

It’s a lose-lose scenario because players complain about Spirit and Nurse being uncounterable because they have so much going for them. Then you have players complaining about some killers being far too weak.

I feel you because I know the feeling being looped to an oblivion playing Leatherface and Wraith. Some structures (Ormond, Crotus Prenn, ANY building on Haddonfield) need to be reworked.

As of now, if you HATE being looped to hell...all I can say is to play the higher tier killers because there isn’t much else you can do except hope you don’t get an awful map :/

QUIT TUNNELING TO AVOID DECISIVE!

/s

Whoooosh!

I'm not a fan of Enduring not working against DS/Head-On, particularly when good (in before 'this never happens to meeeeeee, reeeeee') SWF are using Double/Triple stun-locks to all but guarantee a gate opening in the Endgame.

I love being unable to do anything for 9s-11s during the most crucial part of the trial.

:-)