Does Noed Need to be Changed???
So a Youtuber Named The King made a video talking about changes he would make to No One Escapes Death, but i wanted to ask you guys, what do you think, after being where its been for 2 years does it really need to be changed?
My Video Response:
My personal Stance on Noed (Survivor main with over 6000 hours) is that it isn't that strong nor do i actually think its a perk that rewards bad play. In the current state of the game, it is very possible to have 3 gens popped as you down you first survivor. doesnt mean you did anything wrong as a killer. Its Just the other 3 players that you weren't chasing just did everything right. The Devs themselves say they balance around 2 escaping and 2 dying every game, meaning more games then not all 5 gens should be getting done, so you should get to use almost every game unless you are doing EXTREMELY well. that being said, having No one escapes death in a 2v1 scenario can be all you need to clutch a 4k before the last 2 get away if they play too cocky around the last gen popping which i think is fine and exactly what the perk is for. NOED Will not give you a 4k at 0 gens with all 4 survivors still alive unless ALL 4 players make a mistake, and if that happens that's on them, for their misplay. there is counterplay to it. Spread out, get the totems, go for different doors, YOU HAVE OPTIONS. I personally think its fine where it is. You can stop it from even turning on with Perks and items, and it is a fair punishment for going for gens and ignoring all else in the game, like hook saves or totems. I don't think every killer needs it, but it also does a great job of keeping M1 killers like wraith competitive with Hillbilly, Ghostface, or Meyers.
As for the change you proposed @TheKing , I dislike it as well because it would reward tunneling towards the end of the game, as apposed to say a perk like BBQ that incentivizes you chasing people you haven't hooked for more blood points at the end of the game, spreading the chases out among all the players. also i get that it sucks to juke the killer all game and get hit with noed (I've been that guy more times than i can count), but saying you should be safe from one of the killers abilities just because you hid all game doesn't makes sense. you then punish the people who know how to run the killer, and reward players for hiding and using Urban Evasion all game late game. DBD is both Hide and Seek, and Cat and Mouse, that change would blatantly punish players that are used to more of a cat and mouse gameplay loop. And lastly the movement speed is nice for the killer but FAR form over powered. Its a little edge at the end of the game, that last for maybe the last 2-4 minutes of the game at most.
In closing I get the gripes with NOED but TBH as a survivor player, I think Its been in the best spot its ever been. You can counter it in so many ways, and it mere existence promotes players doing totems, thus slowing down the game and promoting a healthier meta game. I disagree that it rewards bad play because based on dev balance goals it should get activated in every game(Meaning all 5 gens should get done see the 2 die 2 escape goal from earlier), and is the perfect "Oh #########" perk that can clutch a close game into your favor, and again it can be countered.
His original Video: https://youtu.be/1IOWDPpB_HI
Comments
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If I had a dollar for every post about NOED...
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A thousand times this. I can't begin to count the amount of times I see someone praise a YouTuber as if their outlook or opinion means more.
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Wait like a lot of you guys do on this forum regarding truetalent? lololol
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Can't say I've watched him so no, gonna say I don't do that.
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that being said though, what do you think about the perk, should it be changed or is it fine?
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He is quite good, from what I've seen of him.
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thats why i brought the question here to ask you guys what you think... so how do you feel about noed?
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From my knowledge, though limited, he suggested specifically the change that made it so Legion couldn't spam until he hit someone with FF, correct?
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I think NOED would be fine if it went back to tier 1 and 2 not having exposed, limiting the number of brand new killers running around with it in rank 20. Otherwise it's perfectly fine as is.
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Meh, I, personally, thought it was a bit ridiculous that he could just keep swinging until he hit you.
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Personally NOED doesn't bother me. Break totems before the last generator not a problem. It still seems to be an issue for many and is treated in toxic manner.
The biggest complaint is Gen Rush so instead of a totem one hit down speed burst perk do this:
5 generators completed the gates power/Adrenaline/Hope/ kicks in survivors start to celebrate. You go to open the door it won't power some notification will randomly pick 3 generators that become unblocked one of them needs to be completed to reactivate the gate.
Rancor activates at the 5th generator complete and stays active until the obsession escapes or is moried.
Left Behind could be reworked for just this scenario since it is currently useless.
Deja vu which is also pretty worthless could highlight the 3 unblocked generators for the rest of the trial.
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If must have you mean a majority of Killers run it? @AzdrubaelVect a large majority already do.
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make NOED hag's teachable and make ruin a natural perk so that new killers can control gens easier
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then make noed hag's teachable and third seal a neutral perk, also did u just say ruin is a crutch? that perk gets found early and even if it doesn't get found you can tap the generator or hit a great skill check, unlike 5 tokens of devour hope, you dont need to cleanse this totem
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Noed is balanced. Leave this perk alone
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It's only as strong as survivors make it. There's not reason to nerf it. I don't see NOED that often in high rank play as a survivor. It seems to affect green and yellow ranks the most, and they usually don't adapt to it at all. I've seen NOED lead to disaster one time in the last month. Once. And that was because we A: didn't cleanse totems, and B: had two teammates that were immersed Claudettes that seemed completely uninterested in opening an exit gate (rank reset is super fun).
Survivors can cleanse the totems. Super easy to clear them out between 4 of you. You can also refrain from performing a cavalry charge at the hook if a survivor gets downed by NOED. You can just leave and minimize the losses.
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Noed is only op if your to stubborn to negate it. No excuse is good enough to have it activate and still think its unfaur.
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Add a totem counter and NOED is balanced.
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No.
Boom!
MYTH BUSTED!
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NOED is a design failure. It needs to get changed to a perk rewarding the killer for doing well instead of failing. But most people wont accept any changes cause theyre biased.
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Why every time i have too see that ? WHY ?
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@xxshinobazuxx Well as for my actual opinion? Get rid of the speed buff and its completely fine, don't really think its needed and Im a killer main. Hell NOED isn't needed at all on any killer it just helps less experienced killers.
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The game ain't over till all survivors are dead or escaped. Up until that point, NoEd doesn't reward failure. It's just another perk to be used. Much like keys, adrenaline, insta-heals for survivors are just tools to use.
Call me bias.
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Their opinions do mean more than your avg joe.
They reach more people then your avg joe.
They are able to influence more people than avg joe.
Why are streamers paid for ads again (playing certain games) ? and youtubers, their opinions matters more.
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Just ignore him. In my opinion he is one of the worst Youtubers in this community (right next to Ochido). As in regard to your post, I agree that No One Escapes Death is fine where it is. Sure it could have done without the buff so all tiers grant the one hit down, but this buff also gave the perk tiers 1 and 2 a use. There is plenty of chance for you to counter the perk and if you choose not to take the extra precaution, then your consequence is to deal with it. One of the biggest reasons people keep trying to get this perk changed is because they want to be able to focus on gens all game while someone else runs the killer with no secondary objective. People want that easy escape instead of having to work for it.
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If anything make the exposed part innate on all killers, at that point totems become a second primary objective that the game needs. And killers wont be shamed for using the perk anymore.
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*bruh moment*
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It doesn't. The only thing that needs to change is survivors' attitude toward totems.
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I'm tired of seeing people talk about noed like it shouldn't be the way it is becuase it's a no skill perk. Noed is designed for comeback play during the endgame, increasing the difficulty for survivors.
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No. Killers have noed survuvors have adrenaline
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Reaching a wider audience doesn't mean your opinion is worth more, it means your opinion is heard more. They mean very different things. Streamers are paid for ads because they're influential and it's an easy way to target select audiences. That's not the same as ones opinion being worth more. At the end of the day they're just people playing a video game. It doesn't make them better at the game and it doesn't make them know more.
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I didn't see anyone praising Tru3 on this forum.
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How about certain conditions for noed?
Like noed doesn't activate when 2 survivors are alredy dead?
Cuz when there are 4 of them still alive you need little boost in getting those kills.
But what if only 2 survivors are alive, and they manage to get that last gen to pop.
Or you get same amount of insta hits equal to hooks you got?
Thoughts?
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Yes, it needs to be reverted back to how it was originally.
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NOED doesn't need to be changed at all. It was changed from its original released form to have built in counter-play that the survivors could quite easily achieve. As a result it rewards killers for survivors either being lazy and not cleansing totems, or it rewards the killer for the survivors gen rushing.
If survivors hate NOED that much, then its really simple. cleanse totems. At least theres counterplay to NOED unlike many survivor perks. i.e. Adrenaline.
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Exactly, if anything he'd make the game piss easy for killers if everything he said was implemented into the game
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Should stay the way it is
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Well said. I concur. It's fine where it is and doesn't need to be changed. I never saw it as unfair myself because as you said it can be countered and stopped. I would say the game now should focus on abilities and their add ons more than anything.
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Reaching a wider audience does make your opinion worth more. Because it is heard more.
It is literally why high viewer count streamers get paid more then those with less viewers.
It doesnt matter if they are good or not at any particular game, your avg joe dont have their platform thus he is worth less compared to someone who has the ability to reach thousands, if not tens of thousand of ppl at the same time.
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If you cant grasp the concept that your opinion being heard more doesn't make it more important, then you're clearly beyond reason. Have fun idolizing regular people with some notion that they're more important.
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When it was this way it was a perk that still had a near zero percent usage. Noed's value and power is the exposed status not the movement speed boost. The movement speed doesn't matter in the endgame much at all which is why they kept changing the perk for the course of the first year of the game till they got to having exposed. Being faster during endgame, but still needing to chew down two health states mean that the perk didn't do you much good for the first two tiers. Another thing is when the perk was like that it wasn't a hex perk which meant it was impossible to prevent.
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Noed is fine
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Are you trolling or serious rn?
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Ok let me know when EA knocks on your door wanting to partner with you and shower you with money to play their games for your audience.
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I'm sorry you think that makes a person's opinion important.
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It is pretty much agreed upon by most people, you're the one in the minority here.
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Gonna be honest, haven't seen anyone backing you up on this. 12 year olds worshipping noob3 means very little
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Yeah no, echo chamber fan boys don't make an opinion more important. They're all the same level of importance, just not exposure.
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Most of us roll our eyes when someone uses a youtuber to prove a point.
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Actually, after looking at these posts and your previous post declaring that NOED is killing this game (with no proof or data to back you up) I believe that you are the minority in this case.
A top streamer having an opinion, does not make that opinion more important or right. An opinion is subjective, it only matters more if it is the same as yours. Are you likely to change your mind because a streamer with more viewers has an opposing opinion?
Also whether anyone wants to partner with a streamer, does not validate their opinions. Unless they are streaming something offensive and potentially harmful to their business, a company will throw their lot in with anyone who can draw more customers in. It's not a mark of their opinions relevancy, it's to do with revenue.
Popularity does not equate to being right. It's simply one voice with a talent for entertainment. (For some)
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