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STOP complaining about SWF
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@Beardedragon said:
what do you even mean?
you have 4 guys on the map, the killer chases one guy for maybe 30 seconds before he decides its not worth his time and goes for survivor hunting. the killer often makes the mistake of not knowing when to chase and when not to.
Experience/perks/and which Killer
and if you take too much time chasing, or running around and is unable to find survivors, the game is over. the game can be over in like 7 minutes.
It can but not every game is like that. If you are getting looped. They either are more experienced, know the map better or are you using exploits to the map design for their advantage. Cut your losses break off the chase find someone else.
in 7 minutes, the killer needs to have killed 4 guys in order to claim total victory? 7 minutes, 4 guys, all have DS? how does that add up? and you cant just pretend that DS is a small thing that does little. the distance you can cover from DS is as far as sprint burst is given how long you're stunned.
NOED and Bitter Murmur counter Gen Rushing. So would Blood Warden. If they are SWF they will try not to leave someone behind.
it doesnt and most major streamers knows this. they win because the survivors ######### up and makes major mistakes sometimes. now i get that a victory for the killer isnt really only all 4 dead, its more than 1 dead, but 1 dead survivor is more of a victory to the survivors than a victory to the killer.
Depends on your idea of a win. If i get 4 stacks BBQ and hooked everyone twice. I don't care if they tbagged me till their knees get arthritis.
getting hooked doesnt even kill a survivor which im fine with but with the speed generators can be repaired with? 3 hooks before a death is way too much for how short the games are. by the time the survivors leaves they've pretty much cleaned the stage for totems also.
If you get a SWF group bring a Mori green or pink. Don't camp patrol and cut the numbers down.
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Omg someones better than me they must be SWF
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@Doom_Punk said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
exactly. when i play against good groups and i can see them run prestige guys and all that, i tend to get between 0 and 1 kill. the game is over in a breeze. if i can 2 kills, its because they go overly altruistic and messes up, so one more guy ends up on the hooks.
its usually not because i actually rocked them, they just ######### up. i have neither Ruin or any of the good "extend game" perks so its over.. very quickly
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@Beardedragon said:
i have a pretty clear view of how you play the game by seeing you on the chat. i bet you teabag people too, and if you get tunneled or camped on a hook, you will definitly let the killer know in the chat afterwards.
that confrontational attitude of yours, definitly finds its way in to your gameplay style.
Actually quite the opposite but thanks for the assumption.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@TeambossFloze said:
@Doom_Punk said:
Sure, I'll just pretend like 3 minute games are fun and balanced and the way the game is meant to be.I'll act as if getting trolled by 4 people that have 16+ perks is completely okay as someone playing on my own.
The game was much better without SWF. Like, seriously, who honestly plays this game with friends just to have fun, because there are much better games to be playing with friends. People group up to make the game easymode.
I quite enjoy playing killer, coming up against a really crap SWF team and hooking them all within 3 minutes. My cup of tea is still hot !
I don't mind if they're not that good, but when you take good Survivors + SWF, that's going overboard with bad balancing.
This is ridiculous.
"If the survivors are bad, that's fine, if they're good I want more buffs"
LOL
Well, yeah, cause then SWF isn't a problem.
I'm sure you've thought to yourself that DS isn't a problem if the Survivor is so bad you catch them 10 seconds later. I don't think it's a problem if they suck.
I'm addressing the problem. SWF or DS in the right hands can really break any semblance of balance this game has.
The difference is the killer has already gone through all the effort of catching someone D Strike is ridiculous but it's also not defendable by my "get better" comments as you've already bested them you shouldn't have to do it twice to get the hook.
You can't beat a perk by being better that you have no control over.
However - if you're a good killer you can 2/3/4K an SWF team - but most aren't willing to try and only dodge lobbies until they think they have a match they are guaranteed a 4K.
I remember when killers used to dodge because of P3 clothing like it meant anything.
Wow, no #########, it's almost as if I didn't know DS was an issue. What else is new?
You CAN 2/3/4k an SWF team, I still do despite how boring it is, but is it still balanced? Nah, they had the advantage, they didn't use it as well as they could have.
I speak of the top level of playing, I don't care for noobs that die as a 4 man SWF team. That doesn't mean much for balance if 4 noobs get wiped in SWF vs. 4 pros. It's not impossible to 4k in that situation, even against pros, cause pros still make mistakes from time to time.
Most of the time, they likely won't.
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@Doom_Punk said:
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
Absolutely untrue. A skilled group of survivors can and do lose against an equally skilled killer. Gens are not too quick if the killer is running the right perks to slow it down or screw with it. For example have you ever faced a Doctor with unnerving presence, overcharge, and hex ruin? See how quick you get your gens done there.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Doom_Punk said:
I'm talking about good players, not bad ones. If 1 Killer wins against you cause you slipped up too much but 99 don't in a 4 man SWF team, then it's still a problem.I'm talking about good players, too. Good players can and do lose against a good killer. That is also a fact.
If they mess up, yeah. What else is new.
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@Paddy4583 said:
Omg someones better than me they must be SWFThat is the mentality here. That and the only reason a killer wins is if the survivors make too many mistakes. No such thing as a genuinely skilled killer.
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@Doom_Punk said:
If they mess up, yeah. What else is new.
What kind of bizarre logic is that? A killer doesn't automatically win because the survivors make mistakes. The killer can and frequently does win because they are genuinely good. Fact, not opinion.
Same as how I don't chalk up every survivor win simply because the killer made a mistake. Sometimes a survivor plays better with genuine skill. Sometimes a survivor gets lucky. Its not a clear cut case of just making mistakes.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
"Will get 2 at best" well, no #########. It's almost like you're not supposed to 4K every match or something.
At best, 2.
Most of the time, 1 or none, and he depips. Reliance on fuckups if not Nurse, as per the usual. You can make no mistakes, but if they don't, ######### outta luck, you lose.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Beardedragon said:
i have a pretty clear view of how you play the game by seeing you on the chat. i bet you teabag people too, and if you get tunneled or camped on a hook, you will definitly let the killer know in the chat afterwards.
that confrontational attitude of yours, definitly finds its way in to your gameplay style.
Actually quite the opposite but thanks for the assumption.
you know its easy to say you dont here, but i still think you do.
but thats fine. i dont know how to make part quotes so i cant really make a good detailed response to your.. response of my post. but i see what you write there, i dont agree though.
like the most prominent thing i will say is, that when you level up or just arent 50, you aint gonna be able to run Hex ruin on a tier 3 perk. nither will you have bloodwarden, or all that shinenigans.
so all these "this is how you counter Gen rush" tactics, they dont work for casual killers. at all. we dont have all this. where as i can play meg, which i do, and have a perfectly fine and calm game just sneaking about, rushing off when i get attacked. i still get caught after some time because im a filthy casual, but still. it usually takes at least 30 seconds before im even caught. if i run DS well thats at least 30 seconds times 4 this guy has to catch me. then lets add that to all the rest of the survivors.
also Ruin counters gen rush sure, but not so insanely much that the game still cant be over rather fast. BBQ and chili shows you where people are, it doesnt stop Gen rushing in general. if you go hide when someones hooked, you can always find another generator or come back.
they are counters, but cant you agree that the time it takes in general, is too fast? like if you dont run these perks, which casuals dont have, then the game is over in a flash.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Doom_Punk said:
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
Absolutely untrue. A skilled group of survivors can and do lose against an equally skilled killer. Gens are not too quick if the killer is running the right perks to slow it down or screw with it. For example have you ever faced a Doctor with unnerving presence, overcharge, and hex ruin? See how quick you get your gens done there.
A majority of the time, the Survivors will win, cause again, and again, and again, I have to repeat what you're not getting through your head, is a reliance on them to mess up, despite you not messing up.
Lol Ruin, what a joke, gone in 20 seconds or skillchecks that I can hit, even at 13 FPS on maps like Shelter Woods, to make it not matter.
Yeah, I have, and it only works if he's hugging 3 generators. That's the strength in that build. That's 1 Killer with 1 specific build out of 12 available. I barely run across Docs as it is.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
"Will get 2 at best" well, no #########. It's almost like you're not supposed to 4K every match or something.
oh look, another survivor that has to have sassy comments
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@Doom_Punk said:
A majority of the time, the Survivors will win, cause again, and again, and again, I have to repeat what you're not getting through your head, is a reliance on them to mess up, despite you not messing up.Lol Ruin, what a joke, gone in 20 seconds or skillchecks that I can hit, even at 13 FPS on maps like Shelter Woods, to make it not matter.
Yeah, I have, and it only works if he's hugging 3 generators. That's the strength in that build. That's 1 Killer with 1 specific build out of 12 available. I barely run across Docs as it is.
What you're not getting though your head is that there is not a reliance on messing up. That's your belief, and I say its BS. I don't rely on the killer messing up to win, I rely on my own skill at trying to survive.
If ruin was such a joke, then why does nearly every killer run it? Or do they just enjoy wasting a perk slot on a useless perk?
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@TeambossFloze said:
@Doom_Punk said:
Sure, I'll just pretend like 3 minute games are fun and balanced and the way the game is meant to be.I'll act as if getting trolled by 4 people that have 16+ perks is completely okay as someone playing on my own.
The game was much better without SWF. Like, seriously, who honestly plays this game with friends just to have fun, because there are much better games to be playing with friends. People group up to make the game easymode.
I quite enjoy playing killer, coming up against a really crap SWF team and hooking them all within 3 minutes. My cup of tea is still hot !
I don't mind if they're not that good, but when you take good Survivors + SWF, that's going overboard with bad balancing.
This is ridiculous.
"If the survivors are bad, that's fine, if they're good I want more buffs"
LOL
Well, yeah, cause then SWF isn't a problem.
I'm sure you've thought to yourself that DS isn't a problem if the Survivor is so bad you catch them 10 seconds later. I don't think it's a problem if they suck.
I'm addressing the problem. SWF or DS in the right hands can really break any semblance of balance this game has.
The difference is the killer has already gone through all the effort of catching someone D Strike is ridiculous but it's also not defendable by my "get better" comments as you've already bested them you shouldn't have to do it twice to get the hook.
You can't beat a perk by being better that you have no control over.
However - if you're a good killer you can 2/3/4K an SWF team - but most aren't willing to try and only dodge lobbies until they think they have a match they are guaranteed a 4K.
I remember when killers used to dodge because of P3 clothing like it meant anything.
Wow, no #########, it's almost as if I didn't know DS was an issue. What else is new?
You CAN 2/3/4k an SWF team, I still do despite how boring it is, but is it still balanced? Nah, they had the advantage, they didn't use it as well as they could have.
I speak of the top level of playing, I don't care for noobs that die as a 4 man SWF team. That doesn't mean much for balance if 4 noobs get wiped in SWF vs. 4 pros. It's not impossible to 4k in that situation, even against pros, cause pros still make mistakes from time to time.
Most of the time, they likely won't.
Oh, a killer finds something boring because he isn't insta killing everyone and has to work for his kills, what a shame.
I find it boring when I play survivor and I get killed because I don't get to escape.
I find it boring when I don't get to complete the objective set out to me by the game.
3 minute looping games are not fun.
Maybe to sheep like you, but to me, I want games to last longer than I can find a lobby for them.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
"Will get 2 at best" well, no #########. It's almost like you're not supposed to 4K every match or something.
At best, 2.
Most of the time, 1 or none, and he depips. Reliance on fuckups if not Nurse, as per the usual. You can make no mistakes, but if they don't, ######### outta luck, you lose.
If we're going to take the full comment into context you said when both parties are of equal skill, therefore if the killer just gets better than the SWF team they'll get more or the match will be easier. If the survivors are better than understandably it'll be harder or they get less kills.
I can say the same thing to those SWF groups. Both can improve, and in the end, it's the Survivors' game to play.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Beardedragon said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
"Will get 2 at best" well, no #########. It's almost like you're not supposed to 4K every match or something.
oh look, another survivor that has to have sassy comments
Survivor by the way.
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
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Good Job by you!
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Doom_Punk said:
A majority of the time, the Survivors will win, cause again, and again, and again, I have to repeat what you're not getting through your head, is a reliance on them to mess up, despite you not messing up.Lol Ruin, what a joke, gone in 20 seconds or skillchecks that I can hit, even at 13 FPS on maps like Shelter Woods, to make it not matter.
Yeah, I have, and it only works if he's hugging 3 generators. That's the strength in that build. That's 1 Killer with 1 specific build out of 12 available. I barely run across Docs as it is.
What you're not getting though your head is that there is not a reliance on messing up. That's your belief, and I say its BS. I don't rely on the killer messing up to win, I rely on my own skill at trying to survive.
If ruin was such a joke, then why does nearly every killer run it? Or do they just enjoy wasting a perk slot on a useless perk?
Holy ######### #########, ding ding ding ding, you just said something that I've been saying this whole time! You don't rely on the Killer messing up to win because it's up to you to mess up! Finally, you've got it, I'm extremely proud! Thank god!
Cause we have to run it. It's an essential perk. We get groups that sometimes can't counter Ruin whereas if we didn't have it, they'd blow through gens all the same. Again though, praying they can't counter it.
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SWF isn't going anywhere, but it does allow a massive advantage due to the use of voice comms. The ability to always know where everyone is, who's in a chase, who's working on which generator and where, when more then one person is going to help someone off a hook, who the obsession is, to instantly share where hexs and traps are, and even what perks the killer has when someone dies is way too powerful balance-wise. It allows the strength of multiple perks and then some. That, coupled with how fast a game can get done. Four survivors who need to be hooked three times, and possibly chased four times if they run DS, even though the chase is already extended by SB, through a slog of pallets and looping spots is bad enough if you don't play one of the three viable killers. Couple that with a high-skilled, well coordinated team, and it's lights-out.
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@Doom_Punk said:
Holy [BAD WORD] #########, ding ding ding ding, you just said something that I've been saying this whole time! You don't rely on the Killer messing up to win because it's up to you to mess up! Finally, you've got it, I'm extremely proud! Thank god!
Cause we have to run it. It's an essential perk. We get groups that sometimes can't counter Ruin whereas if we didn't have it, they'd blow through gens all the same. Again though, praying they can't counter it.
That's a contradiction. How can a "joke" perk that is worthless be an essential perk you have to use? You keep moving your goal posts and saying its a joke. Now its sometimes useful against certain groups.
Make up your mind on which strawman you're sticking with here.
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@ShrimpTwiggs said:
SWF isn't going anywhere, but it does allow a massive advantage due to the use of voice comms. The ability to always know where everyone is, who's in a chase, who's working on which generator and where, when more then one person is going to help someone off a hook, who the obsession is, to instantly share where hexs and traps are, and even what perks the killer has when someone dies is way too powerful balance-wise. It allows the strength of multiple perks and then some. That, coupled with how fast a game can get done. Four survivors who need to be hooked three times, and possibly chased four times if they run DS, even though the chase is already extended by SB, through a slog of pallets and looping spots is bad enough if you don't play one of the three viable killers. Couple that with a high-skilled, well coordinated team, and it's lights-out.Good, another one that understands the issues.
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@Beardedragon said:
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
Are you the Hall Monitor???
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Doom_Punk said:
Holy [BAD WORD] #########, ding ding ding ding, you just said something that I've been saying this whole time! You don't rely on the Killer messing up to win because it's up to you to mess up! Finally, you've got it, I'm extremely proud! Thank god!
Cause we have to run it. It's an essential perk. We get groups that sometimes can't counter Ruin whereas if we didn't have it, they'd blow through gens all the same. Again though, praying they can't counter it.
That's a contradiction. How can a "joke" perk that is worthless be an essential perk you have to use? You keep moving your goal posts and saying its a joke. Now its sometimes useful against certain groups.
Make up your mind on which strawman you're sticking with here.
I find it useless on good groups, extremely powerful on bad ones.
That's why I say it's essential. If you don't have it, good and bad can fly through gens. If you have it, only the good get past it.
Even if the group is good and can counter it, you still need it.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Beardedragon said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Beardedragon said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
"Will get 2 at best" well, no #########. It's almost like you're not supposed to 4K every match or something.
oh look, another survivor that has to have sassy comments
Survivor by the way.
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
oh look, another killer that thinks they run the forums.
Report my comment, move on, or ignore it and reply to the others in the thread.
Survivor bY tHe WaY
of course i dont run it, im just pointing out making sassy remarks doesnt get anyone anywhere maybe except for your ego.
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@SenzuDuck said:
I decided a long time ago I was committed to finishing everyone and getting them all to P3. Luckily I stuck to that. It might not mean much anymore due to cosmetics but I enjoyed the grind. Although I wouldn't complain if they lessened the grind for new players / maxing perks on each killer.
I haven't done it for my killers but did it for 6 of my p3 Survivors. The grind of getting every tier 3 perk on them is a pain. I can only imagine what you went through.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Beardedragon said:
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
Are you the Hall Monitor???
No, im Beardedragon, the one who mains killers by 70%. but apparently i still have to tell people to not jump in to a conversation with the first thing they do is a sassy comment.
people who have all killers at level 50 tend to forget the hardship of those that dont have all perks, when they have to play this game.
aka us filthy casuals. so all this: go hex: ruin, BBQ and chili and yada yada, yea thats great. i would if i could but sadly i cant. so im stuck trying to catch survivors and kill them, within a 7 minute timeframe
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Holy ######### this thread blew up.
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@Beardedragon said:
@fcc2014 said:
@Beardedragon said:
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
Are you the Hall Monitor???
No, im Beardedragon, the one who mains killers by 70%. but apparently i still have to tell people to not jump in to a conversation with the first thing they do is a sassy comment.
people who have all killers at level 50 tend to forget the hardship of those that dont have all perks, when they have to play this game.
aka us filthy casuals. so all this: go hex: ruin, BBQ and chili and yada yada, yea thats great. i would if i could but sadly i cant. so im stuck trying to catch survivors and kill them, within a 7 minute timeframe
More like 3-5 minutes sadly.
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@Doom_Punk said:
@Beardedragon said:
@fcc2014 said:
@Beardedragon said:
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
Are you the Hall Monitor???
No, im Beardedragon, the one who mains killers by 70%. but apparently i still have to tell people to not jump in to a conversation with the first thing they do is a sassy comment.
people who have all killers at level 50 tend to forget the hardship of those that dont have all perks, when they have to play this game.
aka us filthy casuals. so all this: go hex: ruin, BBQ and chili and yada yada, yea thats great. i would if i could but sadly i cant. so im stuck trying to catch survivors and kill them, within a 7 minute timeframe
More like 3-5 minutes sadly.
yea its close to 5-6 minutes when you face an SWF group.
thats also why i tend to catch a guy when i meet SWF, then i camp him. then i get one kill and im happy. if i didnt, id be chasing rivers and would get some hooks, but never any kills.
then i get the mandatory flame afterwards because apparently, when i kill one guy, i invoke the wrath of these guys.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Beardedragon said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Beardedragon said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Beardedragon said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Beardedragon said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
"Will get 2 at best" well, no #########. It's almost like you're not supposed to 4K every match or something.
oh look, another survivor that has to have sassy comments
Survivor by the way.
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
oh look, another killer that thinks they run the forums.
Report my comment, move on, or ignore it and reply to the others in the thread.
Survivor bY tHe WaY
of course i dont run it, im just pointing out making sassy remarks doesnt get anyone anywhere maybe except for your ego.
Saying killers aren't supposed to 4K every match isn't being sassy, it's the truth. A lot of killers think they lose if they get anything less than a 4K which is absurd because then you get them here moaning that they only killer 3 people and want it made easier for them to get their 4Ks
no one expects to get 4k, but that IS what we want, in the same way that survivors want to get out all 4 alive. i expect to get 2 kills max but often only get 1. anything above 2 kills and i know that the survivors ######### up big time. its not me who excelled like a god, they sucked, and ######### up.
but in order to win the game, a killer needs like 2 kills for the entity to be pleased. however, getting 2 kills means that 2 others got out, its as much of a loss as its a victory.
if you dont win, you lose, and you're supposed to win. so yes, people want 4k, the hatch makes it close to impossible though.
(why was that hatch added anyway?)
You're supposed to want to have fun. Enjoy the game and not get tied up by stupid things like numbers and kills.
If you think getting two kills is still a loss then you're exactly whats wrong with this game. You think you're entitled to 3/4K every game and then moan about op stuff on the forum.
You're a self confessed casual player and probably haven't seen the worst of what's being offered at rank 1.
Saying that two surviving is a loss is you thinking you're entitled to a 4K, stupid in my opinion.
Tfw you kill everyone but it still wasn't a fun game.
That's another Survivor meme, acting as if we're entitled and want 4ks.
Nah, could care less, I just want some balance. Kills don't equate to how much fun I had.
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"Hey, stop complaining about SWF!!"
"Stop complaing about people complaining about SWF friend!"
"######### you buddy, I'm not your friend guy"
"Hey, ######### off pal, I'm not your buddy, friend!"
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@Beardedragon said:
No, im Beardedragon, the one who mains killers by 70%. but apparently i still have to tell people to not jump in to a conversation with the first thing they do is a sassy comment.
people who have all killers at level 50 tend to forget the hardship of those that dont have all perks, when they have to play this game.
aka us filthy casuals. so all this: go hex: ruin, BBQ and chili and yada yada, yea thats great. i would if i could but sadly i cant. so im stuck trying to catch survivors and kill them, within a 7 minute timeframe
Ok i get that, I was more hardcore in the past but not so much the last 3 months. I get that you can't work with every perk in the game. Even if you could sometimes against some lobbies it isn't enough. Do you play for rank or points? What is a win for you. Some of the issues are more balance then swf. Swf has it's issue no doubt but most of this is game mechanics. You are using the Pig avatar, are you a Pig main? She has terrible perks. Make your choice is the only decent one but not great. There is no synergy between the killer perks. Hex totems get smashed quickly and thrill of the hunt is garbage. why not combine all hex totems take longer to break and killer gets a notification? Nurses calling and Coulrophobia should be combined. Pop goes the weasel and overcharge combined.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Beardedragon said:
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@Doom_Punk said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
"Will get 2 at best" well, no #########. It's almost like you're not supposed to 4K every match or something.
oh look, another survivor that has to have sassy comments
Survivor by the way.
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
oh look, another killer that thinks they run the forums.
Report my comment, move on, or ignore it and reply to the others in the thread.
Survivor bY tHe WaY
of course i dont run it, im just pointing out making sassy remarks doesnt get anyone anywhere maybe except for your ego.
Saying killers aren't supposed to 4K every match isn't being sassy, it's the truth. A lot of killers think they lose if they get anything less than a 4K which is absurd because then you get them here moaning that they only killer 3 people and want it made easier for them to get their 4Ks
no one expects to get 4k, but that IS what we want, in the same way that survivors want to get out all 4 alive. i expect to get 2 kills max but often only get 1. anything above 2 kills and i know that the survivors ######### up big time. its not me who excelled like a god, they sucked, and ######### up.
but in order to win the game, a killer needs like 2 kills for the entity to be pleased. however, getting 2 kills means that 2 others got out, its as much of a loss as its a victory.
if you dont win, you lose, and you're supposed to win. so yes, people want 4k, the hatch makes it close to impossible though.
(why was that hatch added anyway?)
You're supposed to want to have fun. Enjoy the game and not get tied up by stupid things like numbers and kills.
If you think getting two kills is still a loss then you're exactly whats wrong with this game. You think you're entitled to 3/4K every game and then moan about op stuff on the forum.
You're a self confessed casual player and probably haven't seen the worst of what's being offered at rank 1.
Saying that two surviving is a loss is you thinking you're entitled to a 4K, stupid in my opinion.
I agree that 4ks shouldn't be expected every game. I also agree that getting a 2k isn't necessarily a loss. And I agree that the primary reason to play a game is to have fun. But the way the game is now, the fun is being sucked out of the killer role due to complete imbalance and ignoring it isn't going to change anything.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Beardedragon said:
No, im Beardedragon, the one who mains killers by 70%. but apparently i still have to tell people to not jump in to a conversation with the first thing they do is a sassy comment.
people who have all killers at level 50 tend to forget the hardship of those that dont have all perks, when they have to play this game.
aka us filthy casuals. so all this: go hex: ruin, BBQ and chili and yada yada, yea thats great. i would if i could but sadly i cant. so im stuck trying to catch survivors and kill them, within a 7 minute timeframe
Ok i get that, I was more hardcore in the past but not so much the last 3 months. I get that you can't work with every perk in the game. Even if you could sometimes against some lobbies it isn't enough. Do you play for rank or points? What is a win for you. Some of the issues are more balance then swf. Swf has it's issue no doubt but most of this is game mechanics. You are using the Pig avatar, are you a Pig main? She has terrible perks. Make your choice is the only decent one but not great. There is no synergy between the killer perks. Hex totems get smashed quickly and thrill of the hunt is garbage. why not combine all hex totems take longer to break and killer gets a notification? Nurses calling and Coulrophobia should be combined. Pop goes the weasel and overcharge combined.
I main the pig but i have higher level with the wraith. the reason is that i wanted his teachable perk, Bloodhound, because i cant track people otherwise. those scratchmarks dont help me ######### when im outside, but bloodhound does.
i dont intend to use her perks only, im level 36 with wraith, ive learned his teachable perk but Piggy hasnt found it yet in the bloodweb.
i want many of those, BBQ and chili perks but i have yet to level up those guys.
do i play for fun or win? both i guess. i want to win, but i do have fun playing this game, IF i dont get ######### over and trolled by SWF teams that constantly flashlights, loops and teabags. then i have fun. like i chase a guy, and he breaks line of sight and hides. i like that. that makes me think thats how the games supposed to be. but when he purposefully dont break sight just to show how good he is for running away from a casual like me, then i get irritated. (and he gets camped, screw victory).
a victory for me is 2 kills, because the entity is pleased, thus its a victory. 1 kill i personally accept but i still consider it a loss, because the entity is displeased, it says so on the screen. its a loss.
i dont know if i play for ranks or points.. both? i just try to kill people. sometimes i camp because i know i cant get kills otherwise. then i get yelled at and people call me names. then i report them. i dont do lobby dodging.
but i dont know if i main the pig honestly. ive tried a bit with the huntress and clown too, but i cant play the hillbilly. i dont know when to run and hit and when to charge the saw. and for some reason after its charged up, if i move my mouse at the first second, it makes a heavy turn so i run the wrong way. i dont know if its a bug or a feature.
ive also tried leatherface a bit, he's easier than hillbilly. but again, when do i chainsaw when do i not, i dunno.
The Pig just came natural to me because her bear traps can somewhat extend the game for me.
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@Doom_Punk said:
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@Doom_Punk said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
"Will get 2 at best" well, no #########. It's almost like you're not supposed to 4K every match or something.
oh look, another survivor that has to have sassy comments
Survivor by the way.
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
oh look, another killer that thinks they run the forums.
Report my comment, move on, or ignore it and reply to the others in the thread.
Survivor bY tHe WaY
of course i dont run it, im just pointing out making sassy remarks doesnt get anyone anywhere maybe except for your ego.
Saying killers aren't supposed to 4K every match isn't being sassy, it's the truth. A lot of killers think they lose if they get anything less than a 4K which is absurd because then you get them here moaning that they only killer 3 people and want it made easier for them to get their 4Ks
no one expects to get 4k, but that IS what we want, in the same way that survivors want to get out all 4 alive. i expect to get 2 kills max but often only get 1. anything above 2 kills and i know that the survivors ######### up big time. its not me who excelled like a god, they sucked, and ######### up.
but in order to win the game, a killer needs like 2 kills for the entity to be pleased. however, getting 2 kills means that 2 others got out, its as much of a loss as its a victory.
if you dont win, you lose, and you're supposed to win. so yes, people want 4k, the hatch makes it close to impossible though.
(why was that hatch added anyway?)
You're supposed to want to have fun. Enjoy the game and not get tied up by stupid things like numbers and kills.
If you think getting two kills is still a loss then you're exactly whats wrong with this game. You think you're entitled to 3/4K every game and then moan about op stuff on the forum.
You're a self confessed casual player and probably haven't seen the worst of what's being offered at rank 1.
Saying that two surviving is a loss is you thinking you're entitled to a 4K, stupid in my opinion.
Tfw you kill everyone but it still wasn't a fun game.
That's another Survivor meme, acting as if we're entitled and want 4ks.
Nah, could care less, I just want some balance. Kills don't equate to how much fun I had.
You're supposed to want to have fun. Enjoy the game and not get tied up by stupid things like numbers and kills.
This is what I said about having fun, not worrying about kills and being tied up by numbers.
"Tfw you kill everyone but it still wasn't a fun game."
play something else if you're not even having fun even if you are tied to the killsAnd yet, I don't see how running in circles and getting the gates open in 3-6 minutes is fun. I really don't get how anybody finds that fun. I can tell with YouTubers/Streamers that play Killer, they get tired of it really quick. But since most of their viewers come from DbD they've gotta play it.
HybridPanda's immune to being bored with DbD, just in his awesome personality and he really shows emotion/enthusiasm when playing, but he still gets frustrated.
I have been playing other games for a while now, but I like going on the forums and still hope this game gets in a better state. I spent so much time with it after all.
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I have fun when i dont get ######### over, swarmed, and trolled with flashlights, teabags, and looped, as the killer.
if i get through all that and get 2 kills then im happy. ive redeemed myself.however playing survivor i dont even care if i die. its so chilly to play survivor and since you're not alone, you usually dont get angry if you die. at least i dont. because if they survive i feel like its a victory still.
theres no stress as a survivor, or rather there is, and can be on chases etc, but in general, the stress is just very different as a killer.
if the game was longer, i would be way more relaxed.
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The only thing I have against SWF is they shouldn't be allowed to ghost perks post trial. Other than that I'm fine with them.
To clarify a survivor who gets sacrificed, escapes or disconnects can tell their SWF what loadout the killer has. This can ruin certain perks as you can plan for them ahead of time. Yes it is such a minor thing but it can change the outcome of a trial quite completely.
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@Beardedragon said:
I main the pig but i have higher level with the wraith. the reason is that i wanted his teachable perk, Bloodhound, because i cant track people otherwise. those scratchmarks dont help me ######### when im outside, but bloodhound does.
i dont intend to use her perks only, im level 36 with wraith, ive learned his teachable perk but Piggy hasnt found it yet in the bloodweb.
i want many of those, BBQ and chili perks but i have yet to level up those guys.
do i play for fun or win? both i guess. i want to win, but i do have fun playing this game, IF i dont get ######### over and trolled by SWF teams that constantly flashlights and loops me. then i have fun.
a victory for me is 2 kills, because the entity is pleased, thus its a victory. 1 kill i personally accept but i still consider it a loss, because the entity is displeased, it says so on the screen. its a loss.
i dont know if i play for ranks or points.. both? i just try to kill people. sometimes i camp because i know i cant get kills otherwise. then i get yelled at and people call me names. then i report them. i dont do lobby dodging.
but i dont know if i main the pig honestly. ive tried a bit with the huntress and clown too, but i cant play the hillbilly. i dont know when to run and hit and when to charge the saw. and for some reason after its charged up, if i move my mouse at the first second, it makes a heavy turn so i run the wrong way. i dont know if its a bug or a feature.
ive also tried leatherface a bit, he's easier than hillbilly. but again, when do i chainsaw when do i not, i dunno.
The Pig just came natural to me because her bear traps can somewhat extend the game for me.
I run BBQ for the points only. 4 stacks is a 100% of my total. With the red generators and people hiding behind them you can't see them anyway at least at purple and red ranks. Save shards and hopefully the stuff you want will come in the shrine. Some killers are also more fun to play then others. Try them The Doctor if they are in tier 3 flashlights don't work and you can shock them and switch over quickly and get a free hit. Michael is fun to sneak up on people, If Freddy ever gets buffed he maybe fun again. The Nurse and Billy if you can master how they move especially the Nurse until you get to certain ranks it won't matter much what perks you run.
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@Dustin said:
The only thing I have against SWF is they shouldn't be allowed to ghost perks post trial. Other than that I'm fine with them.To clarify a survivor who gets sacrificed, escapes or disconnects can tell their SWF what loadout the killer has. This can ruin certain perks as you can plan for them ahead of time. Yes it is such a minor thing but it can change the outcome of a trial quite completely.
That is unfair but if they have experience and hours in the game they can figure out load outs.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Dustin said:
The only thing I have against SWF is they shouldn't be allowed to ghost perks post trial. Other than that I'm fine with them.To clarify a survivor who gets sacrificed, escapes or disconnects can tell their SWF what loadout the killer has. This can ruin certain perks as you can plan for them ahead of time. Yes it is such a minor thing but it can change the outcome of a trial quite completely.
That is unfair but if they have experience and hours in the game they can figure out load outs.
Yeah but that's the thing they should have to figure it out. It shouldn't be something they have 100% certainty on because someone told them.
Like I said though it's a minor thing and other than that I have no real issues with SWF. I certainly wouldn't want to see it removed. Although maybe improve the lobby so players don't need to constantly re-invite their friends though if a lobby closes or a game ends.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Beardedragon said:
I main the pig but i have higher level with the wraith. the reason is that i wanted his teachable perk, Bloodhound, because i cant track people otherwise. those scratchmarks dont help me ######### when im outside, but bloodhound does.
i dont intend to use her perks only, im level 36 with wraith, ive learned his teachable perk but Piggy hasnt found it yet in the bloodweb.
i want many of those, BBQ and chili perks but i have yet to level up those guys.
do i play for fun or win? both i guess. i want to win, but i do have fun playing this game, IF i dont get ######### over and trolled by SWF teams that constantly flashlights and loops me. then i have fun.
a victory for me is 2 kills, because the entity is pleased, thus its a victory. 1 kill i personally accept but i still consider it a loss, because the entity is displeased, it says so on the screen. its a loss.
i dont know if i play for ranks or points.. both? i just try to kill people. sometimes i camp because i know i cant get kills otherwise. then i get yelled at and people call me names. then i report them. i dont do lobby dodging.
but i dont know if i main the pig honestly. ive tried a bit with the huntress and clown too, but i cant play the hillbilly. i dont know when to run and hit and when to charge the saw. and for some reason after its charged up, if i move my mouse at the first second, it makes a heavy turn so i run the wrong way. i dont know if its a bug or a feature.
ive also tried leatherface a bit, he's easier than hillbilly. but again, when do i chainsaw when do i not, i dunno.
The Pig just came natural to me because her bear traps can somewhat extend the game for me.
I run BBQ for the points only. 4 stacks is a 100% of my total. With the red generators and people hiding behind them you can't see them anyway at least at purple and red ranks. Save shards and hopefully the stuff you want will come in the shrine. Some killers are also more fun to play then others. Try them The Doctor if they are in tier 3 flashlights don't work and you can shock them and switch over quickly and get a free hit. Michael is fun to sneak up on people, If Freddy ever gets buffed he maybe fun again. The Nurse and Billy if you can master how they move especially the Nurse until you get to certain ranks it won't matter much what perks you run.
But Fcc2014, no matter what we say right now, im still a casual. many people who play, are just casuals. they dont have all these "must have perks" to do well. so when they come up against survivors who arent even necessarily SWF but just know how to semi play the game? they get absolutely ######### in the ass.
we can talk about what a victory is, sure, but when i play survivor, most killers tend to camp. im not angry about that i know how to counter it, although the poorlad will most likely die.
they camp, because they dont have the necessary perks to otherwise get kills, since the games are so short.
maybe the end game is balanced out somewhat, IF you pick specific killers, WITH specific perks that you've grinded, WITH specific add-ons, but the rest of us dont have that.
and the game is just not balanced for us who doesnt have this. and the game is very very difficult for the killers, who are casuals who dont have all these things.
where as playing survivor is just easier. that is how i feel like it though those times i play survivor.
you are right about one thing, though, what does one consider a victory. thats probably an important part too.
but regardless, i feel like, personally, the games are too short. you cant extend the game as killer without all those perks, so its down to 6 minutes if a group rushes generators. and why wouldnt they, its their objective.
and considering how down to earth you are now, why not cut the sassyness another time. this is much more pleasant
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Yeah I try to keep that goal as well and prevent ghosting. Admittedly when I'm playing in an SWF I get annoyed when anyone starts reading off all the perks and loadout the killer has if they die. Even though I can figure it out most of the time based on the killers actions I don't want to be cheated out of my predictions so to speak. I also play a modest amount of killer so I know how annoying it is when Blood Warden for example is ghosted. Which is the exact reason why I don't use it. Everyone just 99's the gates when they normally wouldn't or they just escape if they know they can't save the hooked survivor.
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@Beardedragon Everyone starts out with not much. You are gaining experience as you go, anticipating where a survivor leads you and or how they juked you. It will help you both play as survivor and help you shorten chases as killer. They are Nerfing SB,DH,BL,and Lithe. That will help some. Generator Rushing will be a thing until the Devs can find a way to slow the game down. I honestly believe the emblem system created a more emphasis on Gen rush to get light bringer maybe not after 2.0 but people got use to playing that way and now this is what they do.
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@Beardedragon said:
If a killer wins it tends to be because the survivors makes mistakes. maybe you are just not that good.
Of course. It can't be because the killer is actually good. No no, that is impossible.
It must be nice to live in denial.
If both parties are of equal skill, Survivors win because of the nature of the game. Killer will get 2 at best.
Gens are too quick, chases are too long. This is, of course, as I always say, if the Survivors aren't playing well.
"Will get 2 at best" well, no #########. It's almost like you're not supposed to 4K every match or something.
oh look, another survivor that has to have sassy comments
Survivor by the way.
great, you have played killers. doesnt change that you make sassy remarks that arent needed.
oh look, another killer that thinks they run the forums.
Report my comment, move on, or ignore it and reply to the others in the thread.
Survivor bY tHe WaY
of course i dont run it, im just pointing out making sassy remarks doesnt get anyone anywhere maybe except for your ego.
Saying killers aren't supposed to 4K every match isn't being sassy, it's the truth. A lot of killers think they lose if they get anything less than a 4K which is absurd because then you get them here moaning that they only killer 3 people and want it made easier for them to get their 4Ks
no one expects to get 4k, but that IS what we want, in the same way that survivors want to get out all 4 alive. i expect to get 2 kills max but often only get 1. anything above 2 kills and i know that the survivors ######### up big time. its not me who excelled like a god, they sucked, and ######### up.
but in order to win the game, a killer needs like 2 kills for the entity to be pleased. however, getting 2 kills means that 2 others got out, its as much of a loss as its a victory.
if you dont win, you lose, and you're supposed to win. so yes, people want 4k, the hatch makes it close to impossible though.
(why was that hatch added anyway?)
You're supposed to want to have fun. Enjoy the game and not get tied up by stupid things like numbers and kills.
If you think getting two kills is still a loss then you're exactly whats wrong with this game. You think you're entitled to 3/4K every game and then moan about op stuff on the forum.
You're a self confessed casual player and probably haven't seen the worst of what's being offered at rank 1.
Saying that two surviving is a loss is you thinking you're entitled to a 4K, stupid in my opinion.
Tfw you kill everyone but it still wasn't a fun game.
That's another Survivor meme, acting as if we're entitled and want 4ks.. m
Nah, could care less, I just want some balance. Kills don't equate to how much fun I had.
You're supposed to want to have fun. Enjoy the game and not get tied up by stupid things like numbers and kills.
This is what I said about having fun, not worrying about kills and being tied up by numbers.
"Tfw you kill everyone but it still wasn't a fun game."
play something else if you're not even having fun even if you are tied to the kills
Killers want to enjoy the game, not have to run ruin at high ranks, and be able to run interesting builds that are tanked immediately because the meta and time frame just don't allow for it. Survivors have the freedom of running whatever they want, however they want, because at a base they have the kit to survive any killer, but killers will struggle significantly compared to a survivor when peerless and add-on less... which again, just shows killers are only as effective as the survivors are weak.
If you aren't good at this game as survivor, or are with teammates who haven't reached that threshold where you could not run anything at high ranks and do well, that is the only time you will lose to any killer that isn't a nurse or perhaps hillbilly. It's funny, because I know that any survivor who reads this will just be thinking "not all survivors are that good, we don't all play like that"
Well then wh6 do you hold killers to a higher standard if that's the case? We can't all be marth88, Scott, hybrid tier killers here. Some of us will get close, few may be better than them, but I don't believe there are a large portion of killers who have that skill, quite the opposite in fact. That's not even to mention that the vast majoeity of killers may not even visit the forums or utilize unspoken techniques that are neccesary for any mindgaming and agency on the killers side.
So because of this, I don't quite see why survivor mains cry day in day out about camping and tunneling, and even less so why they have such a problem with Bbq and NOED. NOED activates at a time when most survivors should already have pipped of not safety pipped, and even active, if the killer isn't keeping slugging in mind, they should be getting granted no more than another kill if any, considering totems CAN be found and broken, one survivor can still loop the killer for the time it takes to open the door in most maps or settings, and on top of that SWF will invalidate this perk before it even becomes an issue if one of them dies before the gates are powered.
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Why is this stupid post getting so much steam?
Silly. We all know SWF is a strong thing against killers... but it is needed.
Just nerf certain survivor components to make it not as strong. Which they are doing.
If someone tbags, has a stupid name, clicks a flashlight at me or hook rushes... they are toast.
Camp city.
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@Dustin said:
I also play a modest amount of killer so I know how annoying it is when Blood Warden for example is ghosted. Which is the exact reason why I don't use it. Everyone just 99's the gates when they normally wouldn't or they just escape if they know they can't save the hooked survivor.
Playing as survivor and running in to blood warden makes me think of Ralphie from a Christmas Story.
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