this is what swf harassment looks like.

@Beardedragon said:
no.

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@Beardedragon said:

still no and if you cant comprehend it, your brain has failed you. killers complain because theres a balance issue that eats away at the game.

playing killer is a stressfest since generators are done so fast, playing survivor isnt really a stressfest, its more relaxed.

Killers TEND (note the word tend) to complain about balance issues. Survivors tend to just be toxic in general by the tactic the killer is using.

Still yes, and if you can't comprehend it, your brain has failed you. Killers complain because they think there is a balance issue, when there isn't. A competent killer can clean the map. A competent killer can have every survivor escape and still walk away with more blood points than all 4 survivors.

Playing survivor against a competent killer can be just as much a "stressfest", but I don't view facing a good killer as stressful, its fun. If you're finding playing killer stressful, then I'll say what the killers say to us "whining survivors" - git gud.

Or better yet, stop playing killer altogether. You're supposed to be doing this for fun. If its a "stressfest" for you, then its idiotic to keep doing it.

@Dwight_Fairfield said:

@Beardedragon said:

still no and if you cant comprehend it, your brain has failed you. killers complain because theres a balance issue that eats away at the game.

playing killer is a stressfest since generators are done so fast, playing survivor isnt really a stressfest, its more relaxed.

Killers TEND (note the word tend) to complain about balance issues. Survivors tend to just be toxic in general by the tactic the killer is using.

Still yes, and if you can't comprehend it, your brain has failed you. Killers complain because they think there is a balance issue, when there isn't.

Playing survivor against a competent killer can be just as much a "stressfest", but I don't view facing a good killer as stressful, its fun. If you're finding playing killer stressful, then I'll say what the killers say to us "whining survivors" - git gud.

Or better yet, stop playing killer altogether. You're supposed to be doing this for fun. If its a "stressfest" for you, then its idiotic to keep doing it.

i intended to make a long post explaining why you are wrong, but since you hit your head as a child, like son goku from dragon ball, i came to the conclusion that my time is wasted on you.

you dont know what balance is even if it hit you in the face with a bat, with a note on explaining it. and then you go on to post how "right" that post was and how whiny killers are, when most of the killers have a pretty valid reason to be upset, because this game is not properly balanced.

but sure, go main survivor and tell yourself how good you are for winning. its not a balance issue, you're just that good. and most great streamers that complain about balance issues about the killers, who we can see also have high ranked survivors, are just plain ######### when they talk about balance being too heavily in favor of the survivors.

why not.

@Dwight_Fairfield said:

@Beardedragon said:
you dont know what balance is even if it hit you in the face with a bat, with a note on explaining it. and then you go on to post how "right" that post was and how whiny killers are, when most of the killers have a pretty valid reason to be upset, because this game is not properly balanced.

but sure, go main survivor and tell yourself how good you are for winning. its not a balance issue, you're just that good. and most great streamers that complain about balance issues about the killers, who we can see also have high ranked survivors, are just plain #########.

why not.

Is that the best you can do? Some pathetic childhood insult? You know someone has lost the argument when they resort to the personal insults.

Thanks for the suggestion, I think I will go play some survivor. This exchange has really put me in the mood for it.

because when you use a post thats meant for toddlers to explain the mood of killers, thats not an insult? its an insult to all the killers who want a balanced game. you spit in their face with that post.

@Dwight_Fairfield said:

@Beardedragon said:

because when you use a post thats meant for toddlers to explain the mood of killers, thats not an insult? its an insult to all the killers who want a balanced game. you spit in their face with that post.

No, that's an analogy about the nature of the complaints about SWF. Saying I'm too stupid to understand something because I was hit on the head as a child, that's a personal insult.

no its not. its an insult. but you dont even understand the math here. with each person having to be chased 3 times, caught, and hooked, by the times 5 generators and a gate has been opened. it takes 70 seconds for 1 generator, and most survivors knows where the generators are since maps arent procedural.

the time does not add up for the killer to win except with specific few killers. then we add all the perks like DS, sprint burst and other stuff to lengthen the chase.

@Mr_Jay_Stark said:
Ok this is the second post I’ve seen about true talent honestly I have nothing against this guy but can someone tell me why he still continues to play this game?!

its unbalanced we get it but to me it’s like why not just leave the game and play something else?! Like it’s been 2 years and it’s not fixed. That’s like being in a toxic relationship for the same amount of time and saying oh it’ll change. Sorry but if you enjoy playing a different game go play it.

i get it some people may say oh he’ll lose viewers guess what? Oh well I mean is it really worth his sanity?! To me his loyalists will follow him no matter what. But also these streamers need to remember if you keep giving a game attention others will be drawn to it. So in the end DBD is still getting a huge playerbase regardless of it being unbalanced 

He does play other games but he blew up with subscribers during DBD so I'd assume you don't want to jump ship on something that people pay to watch you play. YouTube/streaming is his job after all, fun starts to mean a little less when paying your bills is on the line.

@Dwight_Fairfield said:

@Beardedragon said:
how is bamboozle and hex ruin going to be a problem? considering how fast you can clear a game, you'd think some of you guys had time to destroy a few totems on the way. i know that i do anyway.

Did you seriously just ask how hex ruin and bamboozle is a problem to gen repair?

no i didnt. i asked how they were a problem for you in general. i know their effect, but you can clean totems to remove the Ruin.

the games can be super short, Ruin and other Gen regression perks is one of the few things keeping killers floating in order to delay the game enough to actually kill people.

@Dwight_Fairfield said:

@Beardedragon said:
no i didnt. i asked how they were a problem for you in general. i know their effect, but you can clean totems to remove the Ruin.

the games can be super short, Ruin and other Gen regression perks is one of the few things keeping killers floating in order to delay the game enough to actually kill people.

They're not a problem for me in general. I was making the point of how they can seriously slow down generator repair. I get why killers use them. They can and do slow down gen repair. Same with overcharge. Its not an easy ride for survivors to get gens done when killers use perks like that.

but casuals dont have these perks thats kind of the point. and the only way to be a prominent killer is to run specific perks, where as being a survivor doesnt require you to run a specific perk in order to be successful. some perks helps a TON, sure, like sprint burst and DS, but you can still end the game super fast if the killer isnt using perks that extends the game.

he HAS to use it, survivors dont.

i dont even have most of those perks and my games can be over so fast.

@Dwight_Fairfield said:

@Beardedragon said:

but casuals dont have these perks thats kind of the point. and the only way to be a prominent killer is to run specific perks, where as being a survivor doesnt require you to run a specific perk in order to be successful. some perks helps a TON, sure, like sprint burst and DS, but you can still end the game super fast if the killer isnt using perks that extends the game.

he HAS to use it, survivors dont.

i dont even have most of those perks and my games can be over so fast.

That's your opinion. Most other players say otherwise. There are some perks survivors will nearly always use e.g. self care. There are some perks killers will nearly always use e.g. hex ruin and BBQ ans chili. Both sides will argue these are essentials in order to win, or gain an advantage.

i can maybe find a stepping stone near you and say i might agree.

but how much does survivor add ons help in terms of speed, when talking repair generators?

and then how much does the perks help the killer extend the game? while i dont have the exact data, i dont think any survivor perk really helps shorten the game down insanely much, as they mostly deal with survival.

where as killers can extend the game at least some degrees when using spotting perks and gen extention perks.

Dwight_Fairfield said:

@Beardedragon said:
how is bamboozle and hex ruin going to be a problem? considering how fast you can clear a game, you'd think some of you guys had time to destroy a few totems on the way. i know that i do anyway.

Did you seriously just ask how hex ruin and bamboozle is a problem to gen repair?

@SenzuDuck said:

@Doom_Punk said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@fcc2014 said:

@SenzuDuck said:
I love how upset he gets about tbagging, that's hilarious.

I'm on the same platform and know his screen name i pray to find him in a lobby some day but i haven't been rank 20 since July of 2017 when i got it.

Oh no, he's making his character bob up and down to upset me.

Lets it actually upset him, hilarious.
Played against him the other day on Lerys he was nurse and he tunneled the [BAD WORD] out of me - listening to him brag about how good his nurse is is an absolute joke.

I've seen you tunnel him as Huntress and then complain about DS in the end chat. This was a while ago.

Karma.

Edit: Can't find it, though I swore I saw your name in the end chat.

Either way, doesn't matter. Going after the weak link = getting someone out of the game quickly. Doesn't matter who does it, player or Killer.

I know of one time I've played against him as huntress and I recall him saying I was good as someone who was watching him came and told me, I did terrible that game it was a swamp map, always bad for huntress but I don't tunnel unless you're body blocking and trying to flashligh and he does neither.

I watch my OOTubes on a flat screen TV on my couch so I probably mixed your name up somewhere. Text is extremely hard to see from there but it looked close to how your name is, just making out some letters.

I don't mind if he does stuff like that though. I think he's extremely nice most of the time, the rare times he does super tunnel or camp I know he's had previous bad games. If anybody camps or tunnels I can't care enough to call them out on it.

He's fun to watch, not the best, but he does lose it at times. And ######### Swamp, those maps are terrible for anyone

@powerbats said:

@Jplanas98 said:

@Jplanas98 said:

@ChraizE said:

@Jplanas98 said:
They need to give killers the option to reject SWF players. Let's be honest, a lot of these high rank survivors are trash without their crutch perks and friends to body block. It's not fair that if you play killer, you have to deal with so much toxicity. Swf ruins the fun of the game.

That's actually what pisses me off the most when I am high ranked killer literally the ONLY time I get a match is against a flipping 3-4 man swf EVERY time it's a freaking joke!! It's like they HAVE to swf or they'd be pure garbage as a solo player imo.

They'd definitely be garbage. Without the crutch perks, and their toxic friends, they wouldn't make it past rank 16. Not to mention SWF ruins lobbies. I've literally had to wait in a lobby for nearly 10 minutes as a rank 10 killer because I couldn't get 1 solo survivor to queue in. And the other 3 were swf.

Rofl so if you didn't have your crutch perks you'd be garbage to is what you're saying then right? I don't run ds, I tried it when I finally solo'd my way to rank 12 and didn't like it at all. Why don't you stop running bbq, ruin, franklins and any other perk you refuse to run without and then see how you do. In fact play the game without perks at all and when you do good you can brag how yo did it the pure way.

The crybaby attitude displayed is hilarious, if it isn't cheating it's a crutch perk, if it isn't pallets it,s windows, if it isn't that you find something else to whine about. They removed a lot of pallets you complained about something else, ds getting nerf well gotta complain about something else now.

SB and other sprint perks getting a exhaustion nerf, well now gotta cray about something else, sc getting enrf, gotta cry about something else. If they ever removed all survivor perks and every pallet and window and swf you lot would still whine about how unfair it is.

There's a common denominator in all this, its the same people whining non stop over and over again and each time the devs make a change to nerf survivors you all complain about something new after getting what yo wanted.

Is SWf more difficult yes, but is it impossible no and the really good killers manage to adapt or take the bad matches with the good. They're not going to remove swf or let you opt out plain and simple. What you people complaining about don't realize is you've wasted for more time dodging lobbies because of swf or because you think it's swf.

You could've played a ton more games and gotten them out of the way and yet you blame the problem someplace it doesn't belong, you choose to dodge. You're blaming a lobby for a problem that may not even exist yet automatically assume it's so because it might be swf lobby.

The complaint you won't have fun because you might have a swf lobby or you might have a bunch of randoms with fl in group. Then you dodge said lobby and whine about not having fun when it was your own decision not to play. IF you go into the game and then run into the worst then yes you won't have fun.

But what's really happening is you're just dodging because you're scared of the fact you might not have fun because you don't like the group. That's on you, not the lobby.

Not sure how ######### you have to be to assume I rely on crutch perks when I never said I did. At no point have I said I dodge SWF games, and its easy to tell if its SWF when all 4 join at the same time the instant you start the lobby. And there's so much irony in you bitching about people whining when that's the exact thing you're doing right now. "Why don't you stop running BBQ, ruin, Franklin's," all you're doing is whining about others whining. Oh and just in case you wanted to know, out of all those perks, the only one I run is BBQ.

Do you realize how stupid all of your arguments are. "Why don't you play with no perks" why would I? Killers are already at a severe disadvantage, why would I put myself at an even lower advantage in a 1 V 4 game (in case you forgot), just to end up playing against survivors with all crutch perks?

And maybe if you took your head out of your ass you would realize that people don't decide to complain about something else because the devs are working on fixing the current issue. These are all things that have been complained about for the longest time, and the devs haven't done anything to fix them. Fixing one issue doesn't fix the game, but instead draws attention to the other issues within the game. But of course, you don't care. You're just gonna continue whining about how everyone else is whining.

@Jplanas98 said:

Not sure how ######### you have to be to assume I rely on crutch perks when I never said I did. At no point have I said I dodge SWF games, and its easy to tell if its SWF when all 4 join at the same time the instant you start the lobby. And there's so much irony in you bitching about people whining when that's the exact thing you're doing right now. "Why don't you stop running BBQ, ruin, Franklin's," all you're doing is whining about others whining. Oh and just in case you wanted to know, out of all those perks, the only one I run is BBQ.

Do you realize how stupid all of your arguments are. "Why don't you play with no perks" why would I? Killers are already at a severe disadvantage, why would I put myself at an even lower advantage in a 1 V 4 game (in case you forgot), just to end up playing against survivors with all crutch perks?

And maybe if you took your head out of your ass you would realize that people don't decide to complain about something else because the devs are working on fixing the current issue. These are all things that have been complained about for the longest time, and the devs haven't done anything to fix them. Fixing one issue doesn't fix the game, but instead draws attention to the other issues within the game. But of course, you don't care. You're just gonna continue whining about how everyone else is whining.

Wasn't it you in this very post that said crutch perks and yes you using bbq is a crutch perk. Also you totally missed the sarcasm and the usage of the sarcasm to show the hypocrisy of your crutch perks comment. Sp perhaps it's you that have the head up the rear

SWF isn't ever going anywhere and you need to take the advice killers give survivors when there's a nerf. ADAPT !!!! I could care less about the perks and the only one whining ehre is you. Your very own posts say it all let killers reject swf groups. If that's the very definition of whining.

As far as whining the only ones here doing it are the same few who whine about swf pretty much every day with new threads despite knowing the devs aren't going to nuke 70% of their player base just to appease a small vocal minority.

But keep proving my points with the insults it just makes you look that much more foolish and you keep proving the other killer mains correct when they say adapt or git gud.

@powerbats said:

@Envees said:

Simple statistic for you. %70 of games start with 2 SWF. This gives me the right to think that in the vast majority of games there will be 2 SWF.

No guessing needed. I just assume its at least 2 swf and go looking for the 3 or 4th.

Dont even go and pretend that swf are a rare occasion of that they are figments of killlers' imagination. SWF use is in nearly every single game.

That's still an assumption really if 70% of the player base is swf that doesn't mean that 70% of games actually start with 2 ppl. That's a stretch of logic right there since realistically you're making an assumption. While it's probably a valid one without actual data from BHVR which they need to provide so we know more. Also don't try and Red Herring garbage with me it doesn't work.

Also the claim that every sef group is toxic absolute crap and all those claiming it know it but like to make up facts as they go to make their argument look better. There was an MIT study done years ago that proved that online toxicity isn't as rampant in individual peoples games as they believe. In fact games they said were toxic when reviewed actually weren't but because they'd had a bad game the following ones felt the same.

If you want me to make a stat based on it, I can.
I already did that while doing Iron Challenge for Wraith, Leaterface and to some extend on Doctor, where I did indeed count SWF numbers.
They were almost in all games.
Hell, I can go in the game right now and pick 20 games and give you the average number of SWF occurrence and how many of them are in said party at once.

If you're going to throw out statistics and pass them off as fact you had better provide evidence to support it or it's just going to be speculation and assumptions.