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Time to add a being chased indicator to survivor portraits on the HUD?

Seems like a really easy way to help balance the solo vs swf experience.

Basically similar to the entitys arms around the obsession portrait indicating when they are chased

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  • Raptorrotas
    Raptorrotas Member Posts: 3,249

    The problem is that the game is not balanced around that amount of information.

    Yes, obviously you can lessen the gap between solos and swf that way, but it'll boost balance in favor of survivors a lot. "Current status hud", ping-tools, default VC ingame, lots of possible (good) solutions. Even a killermain like myself can see that.

    Another huge factor would be the devs habit of only doing one thing at a time:

    Imagine having to play unadjusted killer for X months with all survivors you meet having the power/info potential of a blendette depip squad. (Start at X=1 and increase it, let's see your "thats unbalanced bullshit" tolerance)

    Third problem would be how to buff the killers, you see the threads in the forum, not even the killermains are united in how to approach this. "Killer mechanics" , each killers "ability and addons" , would the devs dare to tweak perks or survivor stats. This step is a clusterfuck in the community, imagine it happening for the devs.

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,277

    "Even a killermain like myself" reads only half of what I have written. I wrote once the gap is closed (information given are the same), it can be balanced around that.

    At the moment you cannot get a 100% balanced game. I mean, it will not ever be possible to be 100% balanced, maybe if Nurse gets removed, because you cannot balance any abilities to the Nurse Ability. Like, Trapper will never be as effective as Nurse, so 100% Balance is not achievable.

    But the only thing that helps currently with balance is changing Survivors. But you cannot simply buff Killers to SWF-Level, because Solos would be screwed. You cannot balance on Solo-Level either, because than SWF would be way to powerful.

    So IF the gap is closed, THEN all Killers can be buffed to SWF-Level. But I doubt that this will happen.

  • JawsIsTheNextKiller
    JawsIsTheNextKiller Member Posts: 3,367

    When playing killer I would also appreciate the hud showing who I am chasing as sometimes it can be difficult tracking who is mad, who is sick and sometimes, because of lack of information, I will accidentally tunnel (or accidentally not tunnel) someone.

    Balance is baby steps. Reducing the enormous solo to swf gap is a prerequisite of tackling survivor to killer imbalance.

  • LawrenceGordon
    LawrenceGordon Member Posts: 77

    Bond.

  • justarandy
    justarandy Member Posts: 1,711

    This is the most important thing what is needed for solo survivors. And the best part: it doesn't buff swf groups at all.

    Anyone who is against that is 100% biased towards killer, no doubt.

  • avilmask
    avilmask Member Posts: 599

    I always for changes that make solo closer to swf. As a killer, I also often would like to know, whom I'm chasing. Little hook icons near surv portraits also would be nice, for easier reminder, what hook stage it is.

  • Carpemortum
    Carpemortum Member Posts: 4,506

    Your argument hinges on the fact that all swf squads are 3/4 man pro squads.

    Which is like, 2% of games.

  • PrincessPoop
    PrincessPoop Member Posts: 919

    A chase indicator is a great way to help bridge that swf and solo gap. Peanits himself said he likes the idea and wouldn’t be against its implementation so maybe we will see it one day?

  • Carpemortum
    Carpemortum Member Posts: 4,506

    And right after, tons of threads about the "genrush problem" because 3 survivors know they're safe to do WHATEVER they want.

  • Exerlin
    Exerlin Member Posts: 1,352

    Good idea! The indicator could be similar to the entity claws around the obsession, but would be a smaller, different icon that only appears while in a chase.

  • Nos37
    Nos37 Member Posts: 4,142
    edited August 2019


    You don't have to be a "pro" survivor to scream and yell when the killer's chasing you. I've watched plenty of casual streamers in SWF voice chat. Happens every time without fail.

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  • ClogWench
    ClogWench Member Posts: 2,582

    The idea is to bridge the gap between solo and swf, and THEN buff killers to be able to keep up with SWF without throwing solo players under the bus. Try thinking of the bigger picture for once

  • LegendCZ
    LegendCZ Member Posts: 61

    It might sound stupid ... But can we get ping system like Apex Legends has? You can ping that here is generator, i need healing, killer is there etc. etc. Pings would not spawn on a map, and can be obstructed by environment ... I mean. As others said, without good info for solo survivors, game cant be balanced around SFW and gen rushing. Because solo survivors dont have as much of an advantege.


    Or simply add in-game voice chat or normal chat? Would work too? With chat message shortucts?

  • BlueFang
    BlueFang Member Posts: 1,379
    edited August 2019

    Just run Bond, Empathy, or Alert, jeez. There's a already a free chase mark notification with the obsession. Considering information is one of the most valuable things in the game You should have to sacrifice a perk slot in order to gain such information. SWF break the game using third party equipment which is why they are hated, just as a 5 blink nurse is hated.


    Otherwise if this change is made than Surveillance should be made baseline


    I'm pretty sure everyone would enjoy basekit Surveillance on a Nurse

  • Jago
    Jago Member Posts: 1,742

    Yes :)

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    SWF is not cheating get over yourself or GIT GUD!


    HUD icon that show someone Healing, breaking a totem, working on a generator etc could be beneficial to both sides.

    It would be worth testing in a ptb.

  • ClogWench
    ClogWench Member Posts: 2,582

    Maps can be used to ping things with certain add-ons but the ability to shout out locations wouldn't make sense unless the killer was alerted to you shouting.

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @Nos37 oh i understood you.

  • Bongbingbing
    Bongbingbing Member Posts: 1,423

    Honestly Indicators of every survivors current actions would be a huge step to closing the gap between SWF and Solo.

    Sadly, I don't think we're even close to seeing an attempt to close that gap yet if ever.

  • Carpemortum
    Carpemortum Member Posts: 4,506

    Except your post specifically says "weaker than swf" and "cheat or exploit with voice comms to gain an advantage".

    Heavily implying they're good swf.

    Because as we all know, most swf teams, in voice, are not pro swf teams and will not make a difference wether or not they're "cheating".

    Which is what I was referring to. The fact that your entire post was based on all swf being "pro" swf.

  • LegendCZ
    LegendCZ Member Posts: 61

    Which again would make SFW in advantage. Because of third party. It cant alert the killer as it would be disadvantage again.

  • Nos37
    Nos37 Member Posts: 4,142
    edited August 2019

    @Carpemortum If a killer was legitimately wallhacking, but still couldn't catch survivors because of being outplayed at loops, that killer should not be banned for cheating?

    Why does the performance/outcome of the cheat matter if it's still a cheat?


    Survivors With Friends using voice communication have an advantage over solo survivors, regardless of what they choose to do with the information they share.

    This HUD chase suggestion could be fully implemented and I could STILL have useless teammates wetting themselves in the corner while I'm being chased.

  • NuclearBurrito
    NuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,807

    "Oh my gawd AHHHHHHHHHH Nurse get away from me!" is the same as saying "The Nurse is chasing me go do gens".

  • ClogWench
    ClogWench Member Posts: 2,582

    Which is why it's inherently a poor idea. At most, give maps longer use and the ability to set beacons by default but that's all.

  • NuclearBurrito
    NuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,807

    Not even. The entire point of these kinds of changes is to establish balance between both sides, which is ultimately beneficial to both Killers AND Solo's. So even a 100% biased Killer main should still want changes like these to go through.

  • LegendCZ
    LegendCZ Member Posts: 61

    So in-game chat or voice-chat ... Otherwise the SFW will always be at advantage.

  • NuclearBurrito
    NuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,807

    When it comes to ally tracking we should be giving them as much free info as possible.

  • ClogWench
    ClogWench Member Posts: 2,582

    I'm not opposed to that. SWF will still always have an advantage anyway tho, just because typically they're people who already synergize well. You'll never achieve true equality between solo and swf.

  • ad19970
    ad19970 Member Posts: 6,425

    Yes please. This would be such a great change to close the gap between solo and swf survivors.

    The only thing I fear is that it could hurt stealth killers quite a bit, especially Myers and Ghost Face. But they do get hurt a bit by swf that way, and it would allow the devs to maybe make some small adjustments so they don't get hurt by that anymore.

  • indieeden7
    indieeden7 Member Posts: 3,400

    The entire point of the upcoming changes is to bring solo players closer to SWF without solos having to waste perk slots to get info that SWF get for free.

  • immortalls96
    immortalls96 Member Posts: 4,652

    I can agree..if it makes more killers red rank viable..we are already biting the bullet on swf..what's a little more for progress?

  • xmenfanatic
    xmenfanatic Member Posts: 816

    Absolutely no, haha. That's way too powerful for when playing survivor unless it takes up a perk slot, and even then I feel like that would be too strong of a perk unless it specified in a case and more so goes off every 30 seconds or something. Bond and Empathy exist for tracking chases

  • Onomo
    Onomo Member Posts: 20

    To anyone who disagrees, can you please just use your imagination to see how many changes the killer role will undergo to become stronger?

    If this change were to go out, they would HAVE to buff killers to compensate. When you think about the possible changes they can make to killer, doesn't it get you excited? Also, it would make the game more balanced overall!

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,717
    edited August 2019

    Sure, if Pallet/Gen Break, Weapon Wipe, and Pickup speeds are all buffed by 75% to make up for 75% of the Survivor group knowing they can blast off on gens with zero risk.

    Seems fair to buff Killer actions by 75% in order to combat 75% of the Survivor team getting a buff (100% if there is no obsession).

  • Nos37
    Nos37 Member Posts: 4,142
    edited August 2019

    And you wonder why SWF can be powerful...

    This notify-the-other-survivors-that-I'm-being-chased is only a PORTION of what SWF using voice chat can share. Here's 10 more:

    • The killer's identity upon being spotted by the first survivor (free Object of Obsession or Alert without using a perk slot)
    • Which pallets have been used up (free Alert or Windows of Opportunity without using a perk slot)
    • Their general location (free Bond, Empathy, or Aftercare)
    • The general location of hex/dull totems, as well as the ocassional trap/mark/snare (free Small Game)
    • The general location and completion of gens (free Rainbow Map)
    • The general location of the Black Lock (hatch) once spawned and located by the first survivor (free Map with the Black Cord add-on)
    • The general location of unopened chests (free Plunderer's Instinct)
    • The killer's proximity to the hooked survivor (free Kindred)
    • The killer's general location (free Spine Chill or Premonition)
    • The exit gates' location(s) (free Wake Up!)

    If you're worried about what 4 strangers can do with just the being-chased info, imagine what coordinated teams of 4 who play together consistently can do (reach red ranks as killer and you won't have to imagine).

  • indieeden7
    indieeden7 Member Posts: 3,400

    It's been confirmed by the devs that once the bridge has been gapped, all killers will be buffed accordingly.

  • JawsIsTheNextKiller
    JawsIsTheNextKiller Member Posts: 3,367

    Giving us chase indicators or a built in Kindred are the easiest quick-wins for closing the gap between solos and swf.

    If I play swf, I'm not capable of relaying accurately the positions of the remaining gens, the killer, the hex ruin, the exit gate or the hatch unless they are in a really describable spot - the main building or the shack. However, all levels of swf can say, I'm being camped, I'm being chased or come and get me. Even at my swf level, I STILL feel like I am cheating!

  • MrPeterPFL
    MrPeterPFL Member Posts: 636

    Way too much info for survivors, this can be abused by swf as vocally describing an area is quite difficult but pinging a location will make it way too easy. You can easily ping hex totems too which is a straight nerf to killers

  • Carpemortum
    Carpemortum Member Posts: 4,506

    And the context of the two differences is my point. The message may be the same, but the application and skill is not. The "communication is killing us tryhard swf" are not that common.

    I can say "shes chasing me clockwise about 40 meters from the killer shack" and if I/we are not good players, it wont do ######### to the outcome of the game.

  • LawrenceGordon
    LawrenceGordon Member Posts: 77

    Most solo games go better than any swf games I've played. I'd rather play solo.