Weaponizing dcs..a long term worry

Disconnecting will be a whole lot more inconvenient to do once the escalating matchmaking cooldown system is implemented. People that DC for absurd reasons can enjoy waiting longer and longer between each time they get to re-queue, perhaps even do everyone else a favor and ragequit for the day once it gets too high for their liking 😉

Not sure if it'll count pre-match "dcs" or in other words force-closing the game in the offering/loading screen, but I hope it does.

My issue is WEAPONIZED DC's.

I had a few Blood Wardens cheated out of me by having the survivor DC before I can hook them. I had a streamer's buddy even bring up I had Blood Warden (I was running an endgame build, NOED, Remember Me, Rancor, Blood Warden) since they lost a distortion stack inside the exit gate area, since Blood Warden reveals survivor auras in there. She DC'd, and what could have been a great 4K (the other 3 were in the gate at the time) turned into a 0K.

I have also had tons of survivors DC to give hatch, even though I slugged the 3rd survivor to chase the 4th.

DCing before match starts I agree is petty but at least the match is cancelled. I hate actual "Tactical Disconnects" to give a gameplay advantage. I.E. people who DC on death hook to prevent BBQ aura reveal or Pop Goes The Weasel from proccing.

Kinda hard to convince people one is good and fine and one is bad.

Mhmm good luck with that.

as a follow up, also difficult was when i had to unfollow / unsub many streamers i used to enjoy for either doing themselves or playing with people who did the tactical dc'ing.. kinda sickening to watch if you're actually a player of the game..

lol

One is only bannable as it hinders peoples ability to progress in the game making it a loss of points and pips and unfun for those left.

Both are technically the same situation though as the the reason they are used is to bypass legit game items, mechanics and what they find unfun.

If they fixed the point and pip situation and decided to no longer ban for dcing and punished lobby dodging instead by banning for too many I wonder if people would still argue they are different due to the TOS.

This is why I put both acts in the same bracket. Dodging can increase queue times which can also lead to less points and pips over time in reality and make it unfun sitting in the lobby for prolonged periods.

Imo dodging needs fixed so unless it's a high ping if you leave the lobby you have the same rules as a dcer which I think should be done using a timeout system.

I'll just bullet point this to make it easier to read:

1. Legion NEEDED a nerf and it wasn't solely because of DC's, it's because they were a toxic and broken killer.
2. Your entire X = DC argument existed before Legion and continues to persist after his nerf. I played against a killer the other day who DC'd as soon as the match started and then said "I don't play Haddonfield"
3. For those complaining about survivors disconnecting in the loading screen when they see a Mori, killers DC even before then. The survivor doesn't want to play the game against a Mori. And many killers don't want to play against a team of toolboxes, medkits, and flashlights. Lobby dodge = DC imo

i like your bullet point #3 about killers technically dc'ing because they don't want to face your toolboxes, medkits, and flashlights.. if a killer cared about that they'll bring franklins.. if they dodge your lobby it's because you look like you're gonna be a lame game, period..

it's not the items, it's the blendette powers you've activated on your characters so you can blend into the shadows and laugh when the killer is "blind" because he doesn't want to walk around checking behind every pile of crap on the map looking for you :)

some people have fun playing like that & that's fine.. that doesn't mean everyone does. still, we are given a 60 second timer in the lobby to let everyone decide if they want to load into the game or not once all players are here. It's like that for a reason. It gives all 5 players 60 seconds to decide if they want to play this particular game or not. If you wait the 60 seconds, it is the same as pressing ready.

if everyone readies up, a game agreement has taken place.. at that point, a dc becomes a dc.. it's a game mechanic, the 60 second countdown. it's not long enough for people to add & message each other and make arrangements to play a game a certain way, but it is long enough for you to decide if these are the guys you want to load into the fog with..

Another crybaby who loves lobby dodge but hates when others do it.

It's reality. Entitled killer players think it's fine if they dodge survivors/items they don't like, but hate when survivors dodge killers/items thet don't like.

Only an idiot or a liar can deny it.

you know what else only an idiot can do? assume the people they are talking to are a killer.. i put it to you now that you are talking to me about my perspective as a survivor.

i, as a survivor, have no respect for you survivors that dodge the game because of an offering or whatever reason. It keeps me in an endless lobbying up cycle that is uber boring.

i also enjoy being mori'd, seeing as it's something special that doesn't happen often & the killer has to plan to do it and use an offering to attempt it and then still seal the deal. it's a lot of fun to actually PLAY the matches, not constantly get kicked back to lobbying up in hopes of a more boring game lobby in the future.

you should really refrain from speaking probably.. :)

Why? If both are done due to unfun mechanics and its just one affects the other then shouldn't both be either sorted or punishable?

You do realise that stating you shouldn't have to play versus survivor setups while wishing to play whatever you want as killer and expecting them to accept it is highly hypocritical.

If it's part of the game it's fair play. Would you consider it ok of survivors could dodge whatever killers or addons they disliked? It's really farsical to say survivors should setup in a way so they won't get dodged when they are simply using what the game provides.

Dcing while in the loading screen is also the same as dodging as no one loses anything and you get sent back to the lobby so that point is actually the least worrying part if dcers.

People being matched with the same users is down to the match making and can be worked on so it doesn't happen but in some ranks it may happen depending on how many players are around.

Again I don't agree with any dcing or dodging as both are simply cherry picking games and abusing a feature. If you don't like the game for what it is why even play it?

We saw gameplay problems with the Legion, so we made changes to address those. We're still monitoring their performance, and considering further changes.

I assure you that the DC rate against Legion was not the main reason we did the update. It was one clue there was an issue, but it was just one piece of the puzzle.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, and I wouldn't be the right person to talk to about that anyway.

Is dc'ing a problem or a symptom? If more and more survivors are dc'ing, then they are not having fun...plain and simple. I've casually played this game since launch about 50/50 killer survivor, and have seen it cycle. Killer buffs, killer nerfs, survivor buffs, survivor nerfs, long survivor queues, and long killer queues.

The current cycle is long killer queues. That means that there isn't a 4 to 1 ratio of survivors to killers, which means that the next cycle is near. If the killer queue time is 15 minutes and they start banning survivors for dc'ing, i.e. even less survivors in the queue, I would hate to see how long the killer queue times peak.

Let's all be honest, the ranking system, i.e. the way the devs can try to control the matches, is completely useless now. Just log onto twitch to see the real rank 1 killers playing at rank 15 destroying beginners at this game. You'll see 4 slugs with no generators done and people bleeding out on the ground. Their winning condition is a 4k...whatever it takes. They have all perks and score is meaningless to them because they want to depip. Those survivors that are dc'ing are doing it because they are having a bad time.

Like I said, the new cycles is near. We should expect a bunch of killer nerfs or survivor buffs to address the dc'ing and long killer queues.

the problem is people thinking they need to express an odd opinion by "dc'ing" because "i don't think this game is going to be any fun" and "i shouldn't have to play a game that isn't fun", thereby ruining every match that they deem not fun for everyone else involved..

the more people that do it, the worse it gets for a larger user base.. the problem isn't people not having fun, it's people being little b-words and not playing games they don't want to play. it's a game about trying to escape a brutal killer with the help of a random team, not a game where you bounce on an NPC item to make silly sounds and crazy colors people can just laugh all tickled at..

dead by daylight doesn't include a feature where you can select to only go against rank 20 no perk bing-bongs on purpose.. all of the dc-as-a-strategy folks don't deserve to be lower ranks as long as they're dc'ing because they don't "enjoy" certain matches.. they ruin games for everyone else literally because they don't care to put the time or effort into getting better against a certain killer or map or whatever.

if the killer is so bad what benefit do you get over dc'ing vs just playing a short match, earning a little bit of skill & experience, & moving on?

i can say i don't dc against any map or any killer and at this point in my dbd gaming i'm a huge fan of all of the killers and maps and stuff that most people hate because they're too scared of trying to actually improve..

and remember, i say all of this from the survivor on your team's standpoint.