Killer Rant

@MegaWaffle said:
Remember when people use to play games for fun? Man I miss those days...

i still play for fun but i remember the days before BBQ killers really had to go walk around the map to find people. and not get handed people to go chase just because they hooked someone, wow yay you hooked someone.

i'm more about making the game back to cat and mouse i agree some perks survivors have help with them getting out nerf whatever you want i really don't care to be honest you can play the game with no perks and be kind of fine.

SC getting nerfed i don't see how your wrapping something with a bandage and you stop that thing doesn't just fall off and you have to start again (but really this is not the real world so i'm find with it.

DS i really think its nerf should really be for the non obsection but thats just me i don't use it.

its not fun to have a billy with BBQ down and hook someone just to come to you down you hook you and start the dance again till everyone is dead and really not much is gonna happen for countering it.

i'm gonna say i'm rank one and really don't care what they do to the game i'm just putting things out there

@Peasant said:
m3dicookie said:

@ShesArebel88 said:

I can agree with the first half of your rant... The second half, not so much...

BBQ- helps deter camping and tunnelling... it gets the killer after someone else and gives a window of opportunity to rescue the hooked survivor (not to mention its easily countered) and is a great thing to have when playing against survivors who spend more time hiding in lockers and sitting still rather than actually do anything to help the team.

(BBQ i feel make killer lazy and shows to many people i know it helps stop camping but it doesn't help how the game is cat and mouse its chase and find )

MORI- it changes up the run of the mill hook only option for killers and relates to certain achievements in the game as well as daily rituals for killers. Survivors just hate having to watch themselves be brutally killed. And since the animation takes time it also helps buy the remaining survivors some extra time. Can't speak for the others mentioned because I haven't actually used them.

(i just said remove the mori but leave Dhope that has noed and mori's into one perk its not nice to be hooked then pulled off and then moried you get nothing done in the game and you get your depip .

Plus lets talk about Iron Grasp and Agitation shouldn't help each other it should counter each other to remove them from be working together.

Just saying there's more to consider before claiming there is a flaw in something.

Barbeque and Chili doesn't make killers lazy. On top of the aura reveals it grants a total BP bonus for the first time each different survivor is hooked. This incentivizes killers to chase after different individuals. While the auras seem powerful it's important to remember that the perk has counters. The first counter being time. Your aura is revealed outside of a very large distance that is larger than the terror radius. If the killer spots your red aura and begins pursuit you have time to move and an audible warning. Even against Hillbilly the increasing volume of the saw should be a simple enough indicator that you should move. This is assuming that your aura is seen and not blocked by a generator. You can block the aura with proper positioning which in turn rewards you as the killer will likely waste time searching for a hero if they can't spot all three auras. Not to mention that I am confident that there's a visual indicator of BBQ being used that survivors can see. When someone is hooked look at the base of the nearest hook, if you see fog coming out thentthe killer has BBQ. Then there is the Memento Moris. Most of the time Moris are ruined by survivors already. The Cypress Memento Mori let's the killer kill the last survivor by their own hand. I've honestly ever seen this used maybe three times as more often than not either the last survivor is at an open gate or hatch, this is assuming that they haven't dc'd. The Ivory Mori let's you kill any one person and is the only really concerning one as it is often unpredictable and invokes fear of death for any hooked survivors remaining in the trial, not to mention that it works wonders with Remember Me and Dying Light. Then there's the infamous Ebony Memento Mori that let's the killer kill any hooked survivors. This mori rarely gets a 4k as survivors chicken out and dc before the end. While Moris seem powerful you have to remember that they have the following flaws. 
1.) They can be countered by disconnecting with no conpensation for killers for the wasted bloodpoints.
2.) A successful Mori offers 1000 BP in the scarfice category and is worth 2 Devout tokens. This however deprives them of the points they could've earned by hitting and hooking the survivor again. This negatively affects the malicious emblem and can make pipping harder. 
3) I understand that being Mori'd isn't fun, especially early in a trial however you're playing a horror game. It's not supposed to be fun, it's supposed to be scary.

Next is NOED, which is fine as it is. It only activates after the generators have been finished which means that the doors can be opened and escape is possible. You have to remember that NOED only affects melee hits so just stay out of melee range. This is all assuming that a single totem remains to be turned into the hex totem. If you hate NOED just focus on totems earlier in the match. 

Finally we have your proposal to nerf Agitation when mixed with Iron Grasp. While I understand that this combo seems op there are at least five counters below.
1.) These perks only help killers after you have been picked up. If they get blinded right after every pickup the perks barely exist.
2.) These perks greatly strengthen the killers' abilities to sacrifice survivors however by using them together they are weakening their chase potential. The perks don't mean anything if nobody ever goes down.
3.) If you crawl to or get downed at an unused pallet a teammate can stun the killer and free you instantly, negating the perks. 
4.) While being carried if the killer is bold enough to walk through pallets you can be freed by a bold Ally.
5.) While not terribly common sometimes killers make bad judgement on hook distances. There's a chance that someone using a basement build will attempt to bring you to the basement, even from across the map. These combined with the above counters provide a number of ways for you to escape the killers' grasp.

BBQ oh stop crying you can counter it .... this to stop camping it doesn't stop crap it helps but killers will camp with BBQ too. i like the blood points given but showing the rest of the survivors make the game kind of stupid to play because he sees all of them and picks one and stealth kind of works if you count the 4 or was it 6 seconds then go the other way . or sit behide a gen which sometimes doesn't help. show one survivor.

nerf to agitation mixed with iron grasp.
1. getting a blind is rare like you have a better chance of getting moried before you get a the killer blinded with a flashlight.
2. the chances of the survivor going is down is high as the chase goes on. with the new nerfs chases will be shorter.
3. there is a very low chance of this happening because killers pretty much pick you up as your get downed unless your a pallet and the chances of someone being there is low to get you off
4. same as number 3 someone has to be there to get you off ... and that might be friend but its very low chance.
5. but as for that chance there is still some kind of vacume that pulled the killer in as hes hooking someone preventing you from getting off someone times. but killers do mess up sometimes.

Mori isn't scary its just lame for game play when you trying to just play and them you see a mori and then its like oh great well lets try to stealth this game but you get found hooked and then the killer stays pretty close just to kill you and waste your time all together . we are getting our Brand new part nerfed lets see balance on the other side.

@Baphomett said:
I normally hate the usual "gut gud" response, but if you are whining about BBQ and don't even know if it's 4 seconds or 6 seconds...

i love how you come in here and thats the only thing you point out how about responding.

and at the time i was responding to this i had forgotten what it was so GTFO if you gonna be an ass hat

@Baphomett said:
If you cant be bothered to even learn the basic mechanics, stop suggesting changes to them and expecting to be taken seriously.

By the way, Google is a thing.  Use it.

yes and giving me your 2 cents because i didn't remember what the perk did this kind really harsh so get out of here if your gonna be rude. i feel that the perk is a little to strong that all i'm saying and people keep giving me all these 2% chance counters.
i do have 1000 hours do i keep all these perks in my head no so if you really wanna tell me google is a thing. you can try no coming in here and saying something a rude. you can't even quote correctly.

@Master said:

@m3dicookie said:

@Peasant said:
m3dicookie said:

@ShesArebel88 said:

I can agree with the first half of your rant... The second half, not so much...

BBQ- helps deter camping and tunnelling... it gets the killer after someone else and gives a window of opportunity to rescue the hooked survivor (not to mention its easily countered) and is a great thing to have when playing against survivors who spend more time hiding in lockers and sitting still rather than actually do anything to help the team.

(BBQ i feel make killer lazy and shows to many people i know it helps stop camping but it doesn't help how the game is cat and mouse its chase and find )

MORI- it changes up the run of the mill hook only option for killers and relates to certain achievements in the game as well as daily rituals for killers. Survivors just hate having to watch themselves be brutally killed. And since the animation takes time it also helps buy the remaining survivors some extra time. Can't speak for the others mentioned because I haven't actually used them.

(i just said remove the mori but leave Dhope that has noed and mori's into one perk its not nice to be hooked then pulled off and then moried you get nothing done in the game and you get your depip .

Plus lets talk about Iron Grasp and Agitation shouldn't help each other it should counter each other to remove them from be working together.

Just saying there's more to consider before claiming there is a flaw in something.

Barbeque and Chili doesn't make killers lazy. On top of the aura reveals it grants a total BP bonus for the first time each different survivor is hooked. This incentivizes killers to chase after different individuals. While the auras seem powerful it's important to remember that the perk has counters. The first counter being time. Your aura is revealed outside of a very large distance that is larger than the terror radius. If the killer spots your red aura and begins pursuit you have time to move and an audible warning. Even against Hillbilly the increasing volume of the saw should be a simple enough indicator that you should move. This is assuming that your aura is seen and not blocked by a generator. You can block the aura with proper positioning which in turn rewards you as the killer will likely waste time searching for a hero if they can't spot all three auras. Not to mention that I am confident that there's a visual indicator of BBQ being used that survivors can see. When someone is hooked look at the base of the nearest hook, if you see fog coming out thentthe killer has BBQ. Then there is the Memento Moris. Most of the time Moris are ruined by survivors already. The Cypress Memento Mori let's the killer kill the last survivor by their own hand. I've honestly ever seen this used maybe three times as more often than not either the last survivor is at an open gate or hatch, this is assuming that they haven't dc'd. The Ivory Mori let's you kill any one person and is the only really concerning one as it is often unpredictable and invokes fear of death for any hooked survivors remaining in the trial, not to mention that it works wonders with Remember Me and Dying Light. Then there's the infamous Ebony Memento Mori that let's the killer kill any hooked survivors. This mori rarely gets a 4k as survivors chicken out and dc before the end. While Moris seem powerful you have to remember that they have the following flaws. 
1.) They can be countered by disconnecting with no conpensation for killers for the wasted bloodpoints.
2.) A successful Mori offers 1000 BP in the scarfice category and is worth 2 Devout tokens. This however deprives them of the points they could've earned by hitting and hooking the survivor again. This negatively affects the malicious emblem and can make pipping harder. 
3) I understand that being Mori'd isn't fun, especially early in a trial however you're playing a horror game. It's not supposed to be fun, it's supposed to be scary.

Next is NOED, which is fine as it is. It only activates after the generators have been finished which means that the doors can be opened and escape is possible. You have to remember that NOED only affects melee hits so just stay out of melee range. This is all assuming that a single totem remains to be turned into the hex totem. If you hate NOED just focus on totems earlier in the match. 

Finally we have your proposal to nerf Agitation when mixed with Iron Grasp. While I understand that this combo seems op there are at least five counters below.
1.) These perks only help killers after you have been picked up. If they get blinded right after every pickup the perks barely exist.
2.) These perks greatly strengthen the killers' abilities to sacrifice survivors however by using them together they are weakening their chase potential. The perks don't mean anything if nobody ever goes down.
3.) If you crawl to or get downed at an unused pallet a teammate can stun the killer and free you instantly, negating the perks. 
4.) While being carried if the killer is bold enough to walk through pallets you can be freed by a bold Ally.
5.) While not terribly common sometimes killers make bad judgement on hook distances. There's a chance that someone using a basement build will attempt to bring you to the basement, even from across the map. These combined with the above counters provide a number of ways for you to escape the killers' grasp.

BBQ oh stop crying you can counter it .... this to stop camping it doesn't stop crap it helps but killers will camp with BBQ too. i like the blood points given but showing the rest of the survivors make the game kind of stupid to play because he sees all of them and picks one and stealth kind of works if you count the 4 or was it 6 seconds then go the other way . or sit behide a gen which sometimes doesn't help. show one survivor.

nerf to agitation mixed with iron grasp.
1. getting a blind is rare like you have a better chance of getting moried before you get a the killer blinded with a flashlight.
2. the chances of the survivor going is down is high as the chase goes on. with the new nerfs chases will be shorter.
3. there is a very low chance of this happening because killers pretty much pick you up as your get downed unless your a pallet and the chances of someone being there is low to get you off
4. same as number 3 someone has to be there to get you off ... and that might be friend but its very low chance.
5. but as for that chance there is still some kind of vacume that pulled the killer in as hes hooking someone preventing you from getting off someone times. but killers do mess up sometimes.

Mori isn't scary its just lame for game play when you trying to just play and them you see a mori and then its like oh great well lets try to stealth this game but you get found hooked and then the killer stays pretty close just to kill you and waste your time all together . we are getting our Brand new part nerfed lets see balance on the other side.

1. Do we play the same game?
2. Yes after the nerfs a survivor might not be able to loop for 5 gens anymore, but we will see how the changes will work out
3. happens quite often in swf
4. again swf
5. yes please get rid of hook vacuum and instead allow the killer to hook from all angles, just like survivrs can unhook from all angles

Oh and a final note, if a side is stronger than the other one, then balance is achieved by changing this imbalance, not by nerfing both sides

1. yes
2. wouldn't you getting looped for 5 gens really the killers problem, what happens if you get looped still for 5 gens with the nerf wouldn't that be your problem.
3. not all SWF are the same
4. not all SWF can save
5. ok looooook if you really look at it he gets pulled in to the hook i have seen it with my eyes hooking from ether size is fine but not pullled to it

so nerf batting survivors will balance killers wow i like that math problem Nerf survivor = balance killers wow guys we can stop balancing this nerf will fix it all

@Dabrownman1812 said:
m3dicookie said:

@Peasant said:

m3dicookie said:

@ShesArebel88 said:

I can agree with the first half of your rant... The second half, not so much...

BBQ- helps deter camping and tunnelling... it gets the killer after someone else and gives a window of opportunity to rescue the hooked survivor (not to mention its easily countered) and is a great thing to have when playing against survivors who spend more time hiding in lockers and sitting still rather than actually do anything to help the team.



(BBQ i feel make killer lazy and shows to many people i know it helps stop camping but it doesn't help how the game is cat and mouse its chase and find )

MORI- it changes up the run of the mill hook only option for killers and relates to certain achievements in the game as well as daily rituals for killers. Survivors just hate having to watch themselves be brutally killed. And since the animation takes time it also helps buy the remaining survivors some extra time. Can't speak for the others mentioned because I haven't actually used them.



(i just said remove the mori but leave Dhope that has noed and mori's into one perk its not nice to be hooked then pulled off and then moried you get nothing done in the game and you get your depip .

Plus lets talk about Iron Grasp and Agitation shouldn't help each other it should counter each other to remove them from be working together.

Just saying there's more to consider before claiming there is a flaw in something.





Barbeque and Chili doesn't make killers lazy. On top of the aura reveals it grants a total BP bonus for the first time each different survivor is hooked. This incentivizes killers to chase after different individuals. While the auras seem powerful it's important to remember that the perk has counters. The first counter being time. Your aura is revealed outside of a very large distance that is larger than the terror radius. If the killer spots your red aura and begins pursuit you have time to move and an audible warning. Even against Hillbilly the increasing volume of the saw should be a simple enough indicator that you should move. This is assuming that your aura is seen and not blocked by a generator. You can block the aura with proper positioning which in turn rewards you as the killer will likely waste time searching for a hero if they can't spot all three auras. Not to mention that I am confident that there's a visual indicator of BBQ being used that survivors can see. When someone is hooked look at the base of the nearest hook, if you see fog coming out thentthe killer has BBQ. Then there is the Memento Moris. Most of the time Moris are ruined by survivors already. The Cypress Memento Mori let's the killer kill the last survivor by their own hand. I've honestly ever seen this used maybe three times as more often than not either the last survivor is at an open gate or hatch, this is assuming that they haven't dc'd. The Ivory Mori let's you kill any one person and is the only really concerning one as it is often unpredictable and invokes fear of death for any hooked survivors remaining in the trial, not to mention that it works wonders with Remember Me and Dying Light. Then there's the infamous Ebony Memento Mori that let's the killer kill any hooked survivors. This mori rarely gets a 4k as survivors chicken out and dc before the end. While Moris seem powerful you have to remember that they have the following flaws. 

1.) They can be countered by disconnecting with no conpensation for killers for the wasted bloodpoints.

2.) A successful Mori offers 1000 BP in the scarfice category and is worth 2 Devout tokens. This however deprives them of the points they could've earned by hitting and hooking the survivor again. This negatively affects the malicious emblem and can make pipping harder. 

3) I understand that being Mori'd isn't fun, especially early in a trial however you're playing a horror game. It's not supposed to be fun, it's supposed to be scary.

Next is NOED, which is fine as it is. It only activates after the generators have been finished which means that the doors can be opened and escape is possible. You have to remember that NOED only affects melee hits so just stay out of melee range. This is all assuming that a single totem remains to be turned into the hex totem. If you hate NOED just focus on totems earlier in the match. 

Finally we have your proposal to nerf Agitation when mixed with Iron Grasp. While I understand that this combo seems op there are at least five counters below.

1.) These perks only help killers after you have been picked up. If they get blinded right after every pickup the perks barely exist.

2.) These perks greatly strengthen the killers' abilities to sacrifice survivors however by using them together they are weakening their chase potential. The perks don't mean anything if nobody ever goes down.

3.) If you crawl to or get downed at an unused pallet a teammate can stun the killer and free you instantly, negating the perks. 

4.) While being carried if the killer is bold enough to walk through pallets you can be freed by a bold Ally.

5.) While not terribly common sometimes killers make bad judgement on hook distances. There's a chance that someone using a basement build will attempt to bring you to the basement, even from across the map. These combined with the above counters provide a number of ways for you to escape the killers' grasp.

BBQ oh stop crying you can counter it .... this to stop camping it doesn't stop crap it helps but killers will camp with BBQ too. i like the blood points given but showing the rest of the survivors make the game kind of stupid to play because he sees all of them and picks one and stealth kind of works if you count the 4 or was it 6 seconds then go the other way . or sit behide a gen which sometimes doesn't help. show one survivor.

nerf to agitation mixed with iron grasp.

1. getting a blind is rare like you have a better chance of getting moried before you get a the killer blinded with a flashlight.

2. the chances of the survivor going is down is high as the chase goes on. with the new nerfs chases will be shorter.

3. there is a very low chance of this happening because killers pretty much pick you up as your get downed unless your a pallet and the chances of someone being there is low to get you off

4. same as number 3 someone has to be there to get you off ... and that might be friend but its very low chance.

5. but as for that chance there is still some kind of vacume that pulled the killer in as hes hooking someone preventing you from getting off someone times. but killers do mess up sometimes.

   Mori isn't scary its just lame for game play when you trying to just play and them you see a mori and then its like oh great well lets try to stealth this game but you get found hooked and then the killer stays pretty close just to kill you and waste your time all together . we are getting our Brand new part nerfed lets see balance on the other side.

   Killer is really underpowered, most people who play a lot knows this. Balance? Both sides don't need a nerf. Game isn't supposed to be balanced, killers are supposed to be op. No one survivor is supposed to stand a chance against one killer. Wouldn't be asymetrical if the weak many can handle a powerful one by theirselves. Due to the current mechanics of the game, this can happen. Bnps are broken, games already end in less than 6 minutes against decent teans, a chase unless you're nurse or clown lasts up to two minutes with competent survivors. Or two gens at least per catch. The results of a killer are sometimes limited due to the mechanics rather than the skill of the player.

bnp's are nerfed hard.