Add vault animation for the Spirit
When you play as the killer and vault windows, she does vault like normal killer, but almost a year BHVR still doesn't add the animation for her on the survivors POV, really?
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It is for mindgame potential
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This is on purpose lol
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It's on purpose homedog
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It's just flipping the coin and not mindgaming. Any other killer who has an actual vault animation can still do window mindgames.
And yes, I hate spirit. But I love Nurse, so before anyone says it: I'm not against the challenge versing high tier killers. I'm simply against playing 100% guessing games.
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You don't understand mindgames.
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Ah yes
Standing still and letting the survivor mindgame themselves. Truly the definition of interactive and dynamic gameplay
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As stated it's for mindgames.
And yes, in this scenario, mindgames = guessing games. As always.
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A mindgame is a mindgame because both sides don't know what the other one is doing.
Spirit's non-existing window vault is not a mindgame because the Spirit can see what you are doing but you don't know what she is doing.
If the window vault was a mindgame, following that logic, you could also allow her to see the survivors during her phase walk.
My theory is that giving the Spirit "mindgame" potential was not the main reason for the non-existing vault, but that the devs were under time pressure and they simply didn't really have enough time to make a new vault animation (giving her Trapper's/Hag's animation wouldn't have fit her).
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Imagine having a Killer in the game that needs to have a missing vault animation for "mindgames".
You can't make this stuff up.
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Standing still isn’t a mind game, it requires no effort on the spirits part and you know what the survivors are doing, I think spirit is fine though and it is easy to not fall for this but stop calling it a mind game.
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This is false, it is a mind game because the purpose of a mind game is to trick your opponent. The amount of effort require is irrelevant. In fact the game even says this is something you can do...
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But a mind game is a lack of knowledge on both sides, the spirit knows fully what you’re doing, don’t ignore parts of a comment if you want to invalidate it.
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Mindgame - An extremely unsuspected or well-planned out trick that others do not know is upon them until it is too late.
both dont fit to spirit vault . 1st its everyone suspect it becase all know spirit is invisible during vault and there is nothing they can do . 2 ) well - planned trick = also not because u just press space or not and survivors just hurt themselfes due to that ... 0 plan
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Thank you for digging up the definition. :)
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Where are you getting this "on both sides" nonsense. You can mind game someone knowing something they don't. For example, in COD if I put down a claymore in a corner and bait someone to follow me through the door as I avoid the claymore myself, I mind gamed that person to trigger the claymore. I knew the claymore was there, they didn't, I tricked them into thinking I was in a bad position when really I was baiting them to hit the claymore.
So if I stand at the window and you think I vaulted so you try to run around to the other side and now find out I didn't vault, isn't that what this is?
How well you plan it or how difficult it is to do doesn't change the fact it's still a mind game.
I swear people want to come up with any excuse they can why they lost to a Spirit.
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“An extremely unsuspected or well-planned out trick that others do not know is upon them until it is too late.”
Pretending to vault a window fall under neither of these, the claymore trick is at least well planned. Think about maps with LOS blockers at loops, I start moonwalking hoping to trick my opponent, I succeed in mind gaming them. Neither of us knew precisely where the other one was, therefore we both had a lack of knowledge.
We both had potential to mind game each other.
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exactly , you can always pull off spirit vault and survivors need to guess not because you mindgame them but simply because your invisible and its never possible to know where is spirit untill she show up smacking u with a katana from a back
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But that doesn't mean one way mind games can't exist either, hence the claymore scenario.
And a mind game doesn't need to be well planned out, only intentional. If I fake vault the window in the heat of the moment, I didn't plan that but I did do it intentionally to trick you.
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“An extremely unsuspected or well-planned out trick that others do not know is upon them until it is too late.”
It needs to be unexpected or well planned, standing still is neither of these. Also I’ve never said I fall for spirits standing still, I even said it was predictable and easy to avoid this “mind game”.
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LOL where are you getting this from? Nothing about that is true. It doesn't need to be well planned or unsuspected. It only needs to be intentional, because if it's not then you just got luck that the other side over-thought things and made a mistake.
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The definition of ‘mind game’, you out played your opponent with an unexpected/ well thought out mind game, not necessarily luck based.
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So then what's not unexpected about faking a window vault or standing still? The survivor expects you to be vaulting/phasing when you are not.
Also that's a poor definition of a mind game.
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I don’t know about you but I expect spirit players to pretend to vault/phase, I do this as spirit and it works way too well despite how predictable it is, people who know what they’re doing will expect this and then also expect you to start phasing once your “mind game” doesn’t work.
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Then all that means is you didn't fall for the mind game.
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It is predictable though so it isn’t a mind game.
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Doesn't matter if it's predictable or not. He attempted to trick you, you didn't fall for it.
Mind game.
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I understand mindgames quite good. Spirit is not a mindgame killer. It's a coin flipping killer.
Mindgames is not about pure luck and guessing. Mindgames are based on informations. Informations about the opponents playstyle you observed but also on informations given in the moment you need. And now "let's drop the coin": spirit does NOT give any information. She is standing still. Always.
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It is not extremely well thought out nor is it unexpected, it is not a mind game.
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Dude it is.
I stand there think to myself "I will attempt to trick them by faking the vault" = thought out.
You expect me to vault when I didn't = unexpected.
It meets both your criteria. "Not extremely well thought out" is irrelevant.
This besides the fact that these aren't even criteria for a mind game in the first place. IDK where you are getting this from, but that's not the definition of what a mind game is. The only requirement from a mind game is that you do it intentionally, because otherwise it's just the other player making a mistake.
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She isn't standing still when she's not attempting a mindgame.
Information in the moment DECREASES the amount of mindgames that are possible. Because mindgames absolutely require you to not have enough information to guarantee an outcome.
After that point all mindgames are identical regardless of the literal inputs.
If the input is standing still then that isn't any less valid of a mindgame than spinning the mouse and pressing S
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I just think “XD you actually went back to me”
it really isn’t well thought out, deciding to stand still by a window/pallet is not at all well thought out. It isn’t unexpected to people who have faced spirit enough times.
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Yet you even said people still fall for it. SMH
Therefore it is a mind game.
Just because you do not does not make it NOT a mind game.
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People still fall for jukes from the beginning of the game, people fall for OoO bait, loud noise interaction bait and Wraith pretending to leave a chase, are all of these mind games to you?
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LOL yes. They even meet your made up criteria... planed out and/or unexpected. You are tricking someone when you do these things (or at least attempting to).
Just because a mind game is obvious and/or you don't fall for it doesn't make it not a mind game.
Stop moving the goal post. If you do something intentionally to trick your opponent, it's a mind game. Doesn't matter how difficult it is to do, how much you planned it out, or how effective it is.
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I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
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"decreases"
Just agree it's 0, don't even try to say otherwise.
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That's the point. Anyways, listen for her footsteps. You can hear them while she's phasing.
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Why would I lie and say it's 0? It's clearly not, otherwise no spirit would ever get a hit from standing still.
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I can't, the chase music is way to loud.
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If they intended to do so, why don't they just delete all killers vault animations, that would be cool to mindgame survivors?
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No..a mind game is baiting your opponent into trying to counter you but instead falling into a trap..that's how it works in chess
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All mind games are coin flips..either they take the bait..or they dont
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Wrong. Lets rake Billy for example. He is trying to bait you to vault. Now you as survivor will pay close attention to his movement, red glow hiding and all other informations. With all of these informations given you will come to a specific conclusion and based on that you will make a decision.
But against spirit it's not like that. There is no information given. The killer is just standing still and doing nothing from the survivors perspectives. Without any informations you can't come to a legit conclusion and without a conclusion u can't make a proper decision based on that. You simply make a 100% guess. Pure luck, no skill involved.
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That's incorrect..because nothing you've said here has been based on fact..not a word..what your saying is if you dont know every move the killer makes it's not a mind game..absolutely absurd..and the whole spirit having no tell tale if shes vaulting is also not true..theres a small jolting movement as the killer locks onto the window..very hard to replicate as you need to be in perfect position , spirits only strength is you dont know her movements..so you have to watch how the killer plays and see what they like to do..just as killers have done with survivors for years now..you need to do your homework as you dont seem to know a thing about mind games or the spirit in general
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What do you mean "based on facts"?? Do you want a mathematical analysis or what? Dgeeg, some people...
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It's not rocket science , you cant see her its true..but she xant see you either when in power, so you can very well still make plays she cant see ..both need to make a read based off the others behavior..its the basis of a mind game
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