It occured to me..Devs? How many of you actually play nurse..?
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and you don't see that as an issue, that's the hilarious part.
The devs nerfed the two tools survivors really have to slowdown killers and it doesn't matter because the nurse ignores them by teleporting through them at huge distances/speeds/multiple times with her addons.
But hey, nurse is fineeeeeeeee because some guy who can't even play her very well said so on the forums and trust me, I'm spouting facts here because any good nurse knows how broken she is.
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I agree, her add-ons make it easy for anyone to artificially boost their skill. I'm actually glad they are taking a look at her add-ons because I see so many Nurses skipping the learning curve. :)
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How? If pallets didnt help vs her anyway, cant be both, ds is still fine vs her, mom is the only one I'll agree however it was not around as long as she has been and is technically still usable ,, and unless your able to kite around the nurse for 40 seconds with counterplay which in turn proves she has it, then the exaustion nerfs affected her very little. All in all..mom was the only thing that lost all real effectiveness vs her..
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I'm glad we can agree.
"Just tack on an extra blink and If I'm not close I get another chance".
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Pallet vacuum allowed you to vacuum to the opposite side of the nurse, only worked if it was her last blink though.
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there will be always bad players. but a decent spirit will not let that happen.
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“If you don’t agree with me and the people in my echo chamber, you are biased.” Fixed.
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Yet you can still do that tou just need to time it correctly ?
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It's not always your choice..good spirits still make wrong reads
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Not nearly as effectively, so it still did affect her.
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So you think nurse is fine? Good job, all the top killers actively talk about how broken she is.
But it's ok because the average killers on the forums that do nothing but beg for buffs for everything think she's fine.
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The only difference is before it took no skill to do it
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It still qualifies as a nerf that affected her, skill required to do it is irrelevant to survivor nerfs that affected her.
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Yet he claims anyone who disagrees is a bad killer..gotta ignore those people
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That's completely relevant, I dont considervit a nerf as it had no reason to exist..and it's not only still possible but way cooler when pulled off correctly , so no not a nerf..because it's no less possible than before
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what are even on about? you just sound like an angry child. suvivors needed and still need nerfs and everyone know has a brain knows that. but since they were spoon-feeded from the start they see it like you as a bad thing only. and swf is still in the game and was never touched yet, the most BROKEN thing in the game. the game was never balanced around it. and nurse is the only killer who can deal against a solid 4 man swf period. but i agree her addons needs changing and thats the only thing until swf (what will never happen) will be touched. and dont even try to tell my now how you are winning against full swf with m1 killers. everyone know that over 90% of the playerbase is bad.
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It is a nerf even if you don’t consider it as one.
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Nope but he is one of the most productive and nicest people on the forum imo.
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I probably don't win very often against 4-Mans, because they're only 5% of the playerbase, that's tiny, I'm sorry that you assume everyone you play against is 4-man, because it simply isn't but you're allowed to pop off as much as you like and pretend it's true.
Swf isn't impossible, 2/3/4 mans aren't impossible, get over it and stop pretending.
SWF has only become more commonplace because of the survivor nerfs, so get used to to.
and please, before commenting on what I'm talking about, proof-read your posts.
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Fine we will do it your way..it made pallets a tiny bit less safe vs her..its still doable..its not hard you just need to make the right read , it can still be used against her..so it's not a big change ,, happy?
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My fav thing right now is getting a pallet stun on the nurse and she completely ignores it and blinks/hits again, it's so much fun :))))))))
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never pretended that everyone is swf. read before you post next time. also you sound like a newer player to me and really angry for some reason. so its pointless to try to argue with you so thats my last post. keep living in your bubble as long as it makes you happy and keeps up your ego. typical for the DBD community.
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I consistently kill everyone with her. My opinion holds just as much weight; a person streaming doesn’t make them better than me.
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Definitely a new player, lmao.
Yea, because I'm bored of the "It's ok if we nerf survivors for 8 patches in a row, but god forbid you touch my perfectly balanced nurse addons".
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Your just stressing yourself..hes never played nurse and claims only good killers consider nurse too much..made no mention that swf is more powerful than her either..its not worth it man
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That deffo gets annoying but at the same time I get why it is there. She needs nerfed some other way.
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Ok, so you didn't answer my question, do you think she is fine?
It doesn't matter that they stream, you're right, but a lot of the top killers do stream, you can see how well they play, not just some dude on the forums going
"well, every match i play is a 4 man 4 insta heal game and it's impossible to win".
Or
"I'm actually very good with nurse but still lose all my matches"
It certainly gives their opinions more validity when you see how often they 4K even against actual 4 mans.
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I think some of her addons (omegablink) are dumb, but she is fine as a whole. My evidence: playing.
A huge number of survivors i play put down pallets- an automatic red flag that they are clueless against her. People are bad at playing against nurse, that doesn’t justify gutting her.
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Huh..didnt think to say that
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@woundcowboy I have no real opinion on Nurse, I mean she does need nerfs, obviously or they wouldn't be doing any work on her, but to say they're going to gut her without any proof or even seeing what they're doing to her is extreme. Let's also mention the fact that a dev said they didn't play Nurse on live right now because it was too hard against the survivors they were facing.
Let's also mention someone said that the only counter to the "STRONGEST THING IN THE GAME" was Nurse. If Nurse counters the "STRONGEST THING IN THE GAME", wouldn't that mean that it's NOT the strongest thing in the game, and Nurse is actually the strongest?
Don't get me wrong, SWF is kinda bullshit, but being a solo survivor is even more bullshit. Being a solo survivor vs a Nurse is even more bullshit, and being a solo survivor vs a slugging Nurse is EVEN MORE bullshit.
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Can nurse get two hooks in 30 seconds?.probably not..but with the right setup survivors can get two gens done in that time..I've seen it firsthand
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@immortalls96 Okay, how exactly? You'd have to be chasing one survivor, and at least 2 would need brand new parts and someone with prove thyself. After that, they can't do that anymore, so it becomes normal. That'd be about the same as a Nurse with NOED at the end of the game getting 2 downs. It speeds up one portion of the game. Also you should compare a 5 blink nurse against that, because that would be survivors being as optimal as possible, or close.
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I was on a farm map playing solo que..and I spawned next to a gen..a few seconds later the killer shack gen pops and just like you I thought , surely all 3 had bnp and pts..i was wrong..it was two guys both running engineer toolboxes and bnp..no pts even..so they didnt even maximize the gen speed..two survivors can do that with 0 way to stop it...compared to that nurse barely can compete in power..and that's if your a damn veteran nurse against people who dont know how to vs nurse..
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@immortalls96 I mean BNP is still strong. It's an ultra rare. Again, it's the same as a 5 blink Nurse, and again, after those two gens pop, they can't do that anymore. Even against that, you could find one of them who had the toolbox first, and then they can only do one gen like that.
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But that's with two..there could easily be 4..bnp arnt that rare..I've seen two spawn connected to each other in the bw..now I agree five blink nurse is absolute stupidity but it's still not on that level..getting 20-40 percent of the objective in seconds just by holding a button down forca couple seconds is assinine..and even then they still have the tool boxes to crank out further gens
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It's a huge waste to stack two toolboxes like that on one gen at the start of the game anyway. Would be SO much more optimal if they went on seperate gens, the killer should be happy that they didn't spread out.
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That isnt the point I was making however..in fact that just accentuates my point by that being the less optimal way to do it..its horrifying
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eh what are you on ,,, we get it , you are survivor main but dont need to try so hard ,, there are many killer mains on this forums that want nurse and spirit nerf in exchange for killers like wraith / bubba rework or buff ,
i can speak only for myself but i read decent amound of post so yeah , as for myself i would love change in meta . would like to see wraith be top tier killer , sth refreshing
as for survivors i think swf is in very strong spot , unfortunately that is not a case for solo survivors . say what you want they have hundreds of disadvatages over a swf .
so to finish this ; want weak killers specially m1 killers buffed / better map design for stealth killers / and lower the gap between solo survivors and swf by adding some informations to solos .
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Not a survivor main, just not a baby kiler that thinks certain killers should go unchecked considering the nerfs survivors have had going on.
That's what being unbiased is.
"Hey, you've nerfed all this stuff for survivors but have yet to touch the strongest killer in the game that breaks everything survivors can do".
As opposed to
"Leave my nurse alone you should nerf survivors even more and leave her where she is".
Survival rate (as per devs statistics) has always been below 50%, that's 2K - 3K territory on average, but still people are asking for additional nerfs (less safe pallets, stronger killers, secondary objectives). At some point you have to look at the other side, too.
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The only thing that was changed in this list that remotely effected her was MoM..... old amount of pallets, vacuum, DS never actually effected her
Especially pallets.... so no windows and pallets getting changed didnt increase nurse in strength at all... she could always blink through them, so how could it?
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As survivors are just skins literally any change to them that makes them weaker is a buff to killers.
Regardless of that, you used to be able to pallet vacuum away from her, you had more of a chance to vault through a window before being hit by her, you had more pallets to drop that she wouldn't expect so you can jump over them.
Pallets are especially useful against a nurse, even if she can blink through them, if she isn't expecting them. Blinking through objects costs more on her charge, so if you drop a pallet she might not have enough charge to reach you, or under charge because she doesn't expect the pallet.
Aren't you all Nurse experts? I'm just a lowly survivor main and even I know this.
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Except the fact that nurse can just go through the pallet and wall still...... also the changes weren't a buff to the killers I only see that the changes give youngly killers an opportunity to get hits, Seesh dude... you seriously have 3k hours in this game?
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Nurse is fine, we need her and SPirit to deal with bad map design and SWF
but Prayer Beads and Omegablink can go
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It's like you only read what you want, yes, she can absolutely go through pallets, but it costs more of her charge to do so, so if you drop a pallet, she may not have charged enough to go through it.
Yes, I really have 3K hours, maybe if you had the same you'd understand the nurses ability a little better. You're telling me you've never seen a nurse fail to blink through an object because she hasn't charged enough?
Any universal change to surviors is a universal buff to killers no matter how you slice it,
Take LT walls for example, at one point you could fast vault pretty close to the window, which means if a nurse blinks on that side you'd have enough time to jump through and avoid her attack, now that you have to have a run up to the window if you're close you might slow vault resulting in a hit for her. I don't see how you can't see how pallet changes and window vaults buffed her I've tried explaining it but sure, she can go through them, if she has a blink left.
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@immortalls96 Again, if they had 4, one would be useless until they were unhooked and had a chance to do a gen(they can also be interrupted while doing the two skillchecks, completely wasting the BNP), two, I've seen people post pics of 3 ebonies connected to a bloody party streamers on Bubba. It's still ultra rare. 5 blink Nurse has the potential to be just as common as a BNP(in fact moreso because survivors have BNP, instaheal, and red keys to go through and I could even be missing one). Three, again, as I said, they're only doing part of their objective that fast. A Nurse can still come back from that as I'm sure we've all seen a Nurse get a 4k before even one gen was done. Four, again, if Nurse is the only thing that can beat a 4 man SWF(as explained by killer mains to other killers who ask for ways to deal with 4 mans), Nurse is obviously the most powerful thing in the game.
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Yet she still loses more than wins except by elite nurse adepts...and how many five blink nurses do you see? Even watching pc streams almost never...just because she can beat them doesnt mean she surpasses them..and from a numbers stand point she xant complete her objective as fast as survivors can at top level speed..just because she gas the tools to win vs these teams doesnt mean she's superior in power, just as wraith can still 4 man against bad chasers swf or not..but it's not always that way
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always? what rank are you?
what region nurse "mastered" player plays it countrable
worldwide killrate is near 75% in red and consider hatch almost all kills all the times
i think if someone played 1k of dbd they can master nurse in 5hours
thats what i did and still think its "never" countrable with any broken items like keys
it seems one counter perk didn't released yet which walk 20% faster
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These people have no idea what nurse is capable of. They either have never played against a good nurse, and thus don't know how strong she can be, or they like to play nurse themselves and don't do well with her, so they use that to justify to themselves that nurse is fine.
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i agree survivor got many nerfs but its all mostly due to survivors players getting better specially those who has few thousand hours like yourself , but is also becaue other killers dont perform that as top tier killers . the devs do many questionable decisions
instead of nerfing survivors , they should balance killers , because if they nerf survivors those weak tier killers still will be kiinda weak , and top tier killers will get 4 k every game .
recently i notice the new killers since rework legion / ghostface and now demigorgon are beeing balanced around their base kit rather than giving em some strong addons . ( its little sad though because there are not making fun addons anymore :( )))
and a nurse power is huge and very unfair from her addons ( and takes away her skill ) , some spirit addons too .
i think nurse will have weak addons now and just be balance around that base kit .
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It is hilarious that people still think she is fine. What's more hilarious is that she's still not nerfed.
I don't get why the devs keep nerfing survivors instead of buffing the weak killers. Nothing really changed, those killers are still weak but nurse and spirit are getting more and more powerful when they don't need to be.
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