Spine chill nerf

No, it can still be powerful against non stealth killers. Against Hag and Trapper, it'll let you know where traps are, against Michael, it lets you know if he's stalking you (out of tier 1), let's you know where clown is if you hear a scream, Against Plague it let's you know which gens to avoid to avoid sickness... the list goes on.

It's not just it's use for 1 on 1 encounters, but with a whole team, that info is invaluable.

It's not always a tunnel magnet. Smart killers might have obsession perks to get more from leaving them alone... Especially with the new Dying Light going to be released.

I'm not the person to tunnel in the first case.

What you are failing to take into account is information is valuable. In red ranks, it can be the difference between a 4k and a 0k, depending on how it is taken and used.

When you pair that with an SWF group, all of them will know where the killer is, on top of the fact that it leaves at least 3 survivors free to work on gens, making the game less than 4 minutes... if they know what they are doing. I've seen plenty use OoO and lose, but it definitely increases their chance of limiting a killer's points... and ruining their fun, of course.

"Read Premonition's description, it says "TRUMPS ANY KILLER'S STEALTH ABILITIES""

So why does it not work against Tier 1 Myers? I occasionally use premonition bc it's a fun perk and good against certain killers, but it's kinda like Spine chill in the sense that it's effectively powerless on its own.

"Spine Chill is a top tier underrated perk that completely annihilated a stealth killer"

Spine chill has plenty of issues. It doesn't tell a Survivior where the killer is coming from, who the killer is, nor does it pinpoint their location. The only thing spine chill does is tell you that the killer is looking at you. It gives you information that you need. If it was nerfed to not effect killers in some kind of "stealth" mode then it'd be a big and quite unnecessary buff to Ghostface. (Ghostface is already regarded as a solid Hag/Huntress level killer, being insanely strong in the right hands. He doesn't need buffs).

"single perks shouldnt absolutely annihilate stealth killer's abilities, and if you're bad enough to think stealth killers "have no counterplay" then use Premotion."

it doesn't annihilate their abilities. Spine chill is powerless by itself, it's all about the information it gives you. Spine chill does very little for as much as it does. It tells you the killer is looking at you, which is often times enough to save you, but it doesn't tell you where they are, who they are, what they're doing, or if they're actually coming after you, or if they just so happened to be looking at you while doing something. You act like Spine chill gives you the endurance status or something. It just gives you barebones information. It's just that those barebones are all you really need to survive if you know how to use it.

See, the problem is they just want survivors to have ZERO tools to survive.

It's funny how last year everyone was crazy about nerfing looping -- and they did nerf everything from window vaults to DS.

Then they complained healing was too powerful and everyone was running self care. So they nerfed healing and buffed things like Sloppy Butcher.

Then they complained it was so dark and couldn't see survivors so they nerfed lighting and stealth.

Then survivors stopped healing so they just switched to focusing on gens. They complained about gen rush so they nerfed gen speeds and buffed delaying perks like Thanatophobia.

Then they felt it was still too hard to find survivors so they nerfed clothes.

It's funny most killers want Survivors to hide some more but there's been nothing but nerfs to evasion and stealth, and tons of aura and detection perks and detection buffs added on the killer side, but they still want survive to "stop genrushing" and hide instead. And what? Twiddle their thumbs? Can't even hide anymore with all the detection perks and abilities going on, and Distortion doesn't cut it.

Now you want to nerf spine chill? That's fine but something's got to give. The game is not fine if you keep it as is and keep nerfing everything.

The only real improvements we've been seeing to the survivor game are perks to discourage or punish killers from camping and tunneling. And that is good... except killers also want to nerf all those perks -- can't go a day without seeing a "Nerf DS Nerf BT" thread here.

You can't have it both ways, basically if you want survivors to stealth more make it a valid way to survive and cut survivors some slack, and figure out some other way to add value to the game that isn't just encouraging survivors to keep genrushing, because that's all they have left. It's fine to nerf loops and vaults and looping perks to the ground but give something back to keep the game healthy.