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Devs, are you gonna ignore Legion's problems for the next 6 months?
Archives, Nurse, Chapters, Doctor, how about Legion?
It is difficult to call him weak, their detection ability and stall potential are not bad, but he is actually overnerfed and not voable at red ranks. His power has huge cooldown, huge fatigue, doesn't allow you to do anything vs injured survivors, he is very slow.
My thoughts about what changes need to add to the Legions basekit:
- Reduce fatigue duration to 3.5 seconds, rework add-ons reducing fatigue
- Reduce cooldown to 15 second
- Reduce vault durations in FF to 1 second!
- Legion can refill his power gauge by hitting survivors already afflicted by Deep Wound (rework Franks mixtape!!!)
- Feral Frenzy movement speed is 4.8 m/s, but triggering Killer instinct insreases movement speed to 6 m/s
- Reduce Deep Wound timer to 10 seconds.
Devs, Legions power is very unique and interesting! It is so sad that you ignore their power.
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Six months? Nope, he's getting the Freddy treatment. They'll look at him again in 2021.
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This comment is depressing.
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@UlvenDagoth Tell me about it. I want to play Legion. But he seems to have some sort of undocumented ability that gives survivors a unique emote whenever they see him in a match.
They drop to the ground and roll around in laughter. :(
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I mained Old Legion. I loved it... and never once used that stupid exploit. Now when i use Legion i just feel how crippled they are.
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@UlvenDagoth Same. Never used the add-on exploit nor the moonwalking one. Hell, didn't even know they existed until the forums spelled it out, and still never did it.
Old Legion was fun. And yes, I say that from the point of both playing as him and against him.
But the internet is the perfect example of millions of idiots spreading their disease unchecked. It's why we can't have nice things in online games.
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Yea, I've posted a few times with my thoughts on Legion and the game as a whole. It's like if you arnt bitching no one looks or cares. I had to have it shown to me too (The exploits) and thought of them as ######### moves.
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<------------- long time Overwatch player right there. Some Beta and since Day 1. Thousands of posts at their forums. And like here, never asking for nerfs or buffs or discussing balance issues.
You could cut and past the crap from here right to Overwatch, just change a Perk name to a hero's power, and there you go.
Hell, since RoleQ has been forced on Overwatch and DPS queue times have sky-rocketed, you now have the Us vs Them fights going on between the Support/Tank mains and the DPS mains, mirroring Survivor main vs Killer main here.
It's all extremely pathetic.
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@Aztreonam78 Hey.
I've been maining Legion since day one of their release on the PTB. I know how this feels, and let me tell you: They will ignore it.
I've asked a month after their nerf on whether or not if Legion would be receiving some buffs. And the Legion mains have just been outright ignored. They say they're listening to feedback, but that's not the case. I asked Peanits a month or two ago about what they will be doing to Legion, and while I mentioned Pig, he told me this:
'We've mentioned this a couple times already, but we are still keeping an eye out for feedback and we'll make changes if necessary when we get the chance. We have not forgotten about them, we just have a lot on our plates at the moment.'
The rest of it consisted of him talking about the Pig. So, as far as I am aware, Legion isn't their main priority. What is? Well, a battlepass, that's for one, apparently. I know how you feel though, and I'm just gonna give it to ya straight...The devs will either ignore this post or give you some half-arsed answer on how they're 'listening to feedback'.
Legion, as I assume, WILL be getting the Freddy treatment, which consists of two years without changes, only for them to receive a rework that may or may not make them viable. It may not happen like that, but they're bound to change Legion eventually, but...Don't get your hopes up. I have. Plenty. Of. Times. And I am saying it to everyone now who has hopes of Legion being buffed sometime soon: You're just gonna have to sadly wait.
(I will say this too: If anyone, ANYONE, needs help on figuring out how to play Legion with their current state, feel free to ask me. This is just a side note however.)
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@Peanits can you please make the team aware?
Nobody is happy with this Legion. Somethibg needs to be done please
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Team is already aware, though whether or not they'll actually do something is up for debate. We'll just have to wait and see. Sorry if that's not the response you want, but it's better than hearing another dev tell you that they're 'listening to feedback', so...
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I miss the ability to be able down survivors with his power again hate have hit and run should left that part to be able down in his frenzy
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This was VERY unfun mechanic, survivors were too helpless before, Legion just was able to wait untill gauge is filled and down.
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It took them two years to do anything about Freddy. So, give it another year and a half. If there's anything you should learn about the devs, is that they are notoriously slow to do anything. Look how long it took them to fix the sprint burst exploit?
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-The pre patch Legion was not the only killer who could do that. Infact, there are killers in the current game who can down you with their m2 attack/s.
-What for the one is unfun, is for a other player fun. If we really start to go down this road, we should delete every killer abilitie and also his main abilitie - to kill survivors.
Some people like to have viable m2 attacks and some people like to be pressured by it.
-If you tell me that a survivor had no chance against a basic Legion without those op addons attached, then you make me chuckle.
-Btt. I am honestly surprised how long the devs need to make a announcement for a Legion rework, or undone of the rework. Every other companie I know would already have done it.
Look at the devs from Frostpunk at example: The people have riot there that the game had no endless mode... After a few weeks where the riot has not stop, the devs announced that they will implement some sort of endless mode and then the riot has stop and everybody is happy.
The devs from dbd seem to have something against making everybody happy. I just can shrug my shoulders to it - its their money what they lost because they doing nothing what this topic matters.
Personally, when I would be able to choose between the normal money dbd brings in and the normal money dbd brings in + a happy Legion community, I would choose the last option.
I don't know how many money dbd makes each month, but it would only be logical that it would be more with a happy Legion community, where Legion players come back to the game after they left it because of the Legion patch and with happy Legion dlc buyers, who don't feel cheated because of the advertisment video of the Legion that shows a totally different Legion as what she is today.
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I had a topic about this before that is waiting approval now cause I edited it. Btw, it was against your point.
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They don't ignore him, they're aware of this since the Legion update goes live. We just need to wait.
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No. They're Going to ignore legion for the next 5 years.
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No, they are focused on demogorgons chapter, winter chapter, Nurses addon changes and on archives
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Buddy, we cannot do anything about it. I also want Legion to be buffed, but they've mentioned that they need a time.
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Yup!
More like next 3 years because this year will be rift and nurse focus.
Next year with other dlc's /rift/ and the doctor rework...
Then finally theyll admit to legion being dogshit then finally think about reworking him LUL
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In fact, let me paraphrase myself.
So I saw earlier where a post talking about Legion needing a buff and one person kept saying "Legion is a bunch of angry teens. It makes sense there power sucks." Which made me go and find a post I saw in a discussion trying to say "1 Vs. 1 is unfair." in which a Dev says
It's definitely not meant to be fair. At that point, the survivors have failed to finish the generators and failed to find the hatch first. The EGC is meant to end the game at that point, not give you a 50/50 chance of escaping. If anything, it would be unfair to the killer to give the survivor an even chance at escaping after they've beaten the survivor multiple times by that point.
Alot of people seem to forget this is an asymmetrical game. 4 vs. 1. You are not supposed to be able to go toe to toe with the Killer, because the Killer has to be as strong as 4 Survivors or at least keep up with them. The community as a whole seems to have forgotten this, (I had one guy arguing with me that the Entity doesn't buff up the Killers at all) and why this makes things a nightmare to balance.
The Legion nerf is a very good example of this. There power, cause of some exploits, is so broken and weighted down that it is useless. IF you miss, you lose your power and get a 4 second stun. If you hit, you can keep going but that next survivor can just SB away and you eat the stun. If you m1, You lose half your bar and can't use your power. Legion with the reduced vaulting and all is easy to loop. All cause they had no "Counter Play."
Saying that a Killer is broken because of "Lack of Counter Play." or "If the Killer sees you, you can't get away unless they get distracted." or "1 vs. 1 I can't beat them." Is a weak excuse when you remember the nature of this game. You need to use your skill in Looping and/or hiding to lose the Killer. It's just something to say to try and give your point merit. Old Legion needed a fix then, but not the orbital strike of a nerf they got. All cause there was an easy to fix exploit and enough people got upset... cause they forgot that the 1, is supposed to be as strong or stronger than the 4.
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Hey chaotic
I would love to get some advice on Legion please 🐖
I was really excited for the changes but everytime I play them I end up very frustrated feeling like I'm not doing much of anything. Also be aware I play on console so getting 360 alot can be a nightmare on console if I'm honest because of penalty to missing attacks.
But I'm hoping you can offer advice to me thank you
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Legion is a toughie to learn in their current state, and I apologize to @Aztreonam78 for this being off topic, but as a Legion main, I tend to run a certain build that puts Legion’s power into the hands of the Survivors in a way that works for you. I call it the Mega-Stall. I currently think Legion has the best stalling in the game with certain perks and add-ons.
The gist of it is to always run any of the blade add-ons if possible and another add-on of your liking. The perks mainly consist of Sloppy, Thanatophobia, Ruin/Pop Goes The Weasel, and either BBQ, Coulrophobia, or Nurse’s.
The gimmick here is to use your ability when needed, not wanted. If Survivors take the time to go through the 15-20 second mending time AND heal with Sloppy affecting them. If not, then you’re just dealing with Survivors who are in a constant injured state and are suffering from a much slower gen progression time from Thana and the other two gen perks I mentioned above. The only time you should really use your ability is when Survivors start to actually heal. When they realize they can’t exactly go with it, they’ll be forced to deal with a SLIGHTLY longer Gen process. The last perk, of your choice, is to either help heavily affect the healing time with coul or get some good aura readings off of Survivors who aren’t playing it safe.
Hopefully, this helps. I’ve played on console before and I know how hard it can be to deal with 360ing, so hopefully this build can help you deal with it less often without the need to use your ability.
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Thank you! I will give it a go let you know how I get on sounds interesting build.
Yes sorry op but I really was enjoying Legion up in till of late I guess getting higher in rank is when you really see how lack luster he is. Being able to work on a gen while in deep wound and still have time to mend is crazy bad.
I don't understand the silence about Legion it must be so frustrating for you guys that have been so passionate about getting ideas out.
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answer : yes.
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That doesn't mean this isn't an urgent situation.
I'm not interested in the old legion so I just want something fun and viable.
And its very unfair that due to survivors lobbying by dcing against legion we ended up with a buffoon of a killer.
We need a rework and fast, this situation is unacceptable
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I 1000 times wrote about stab wounds study and frank's mixtape because this not help to killer this addons need rework but green addons not bad and about gameplay.I can understand why Legion not see cut progress and why progress in terror stop and why health cut progress is saving....I think it so bad all changes only for surviviors
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According to the official line dropped by one of the dev streams, Legion was buffed rather than nerfed. My best guess from that? It'll be a long time. Keep those fingers crossed!
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I was maining old Legion aswell, new Legion is just boring as hell, I even try to replace my legion dailys. I really love this game and I bought alot of cosmetics and all Chapters but I never paid for a old Freddy 2.0 DLC, my money was never so much wasted as in the new Legion.
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Freddy got a whole rework. This here are just number tweaking. Early 2020 should be alright
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The last response was they have no immediate plans to do anything with Legion as the stats show they are in a good place.
It's a hard power to balance as it always tethered on the edge of OP/UP. Easy free hits aren't good for the game. The current legion removes that aspect it's just they aren't that fun to play as now.
They could do with a freddy type rework imo but that will probably be way down in the list if ever.
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I haven’t played against Legion in AGES.
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The old Legion is gone, and it better stay gone but the new legion is trash and it needs quick addressing.
You are right about the deep wound mechanism, it's too difficult to balance, it went from strong in 1v1 to trash like it is now.
They need to completely redo legion, restart from scratch and give them a power that is good but not too op
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The issue wasn't that he had a m2 that could down people because that's fine. The issue was in how his m2 worked to down people. With old legion there was literally nothing you could do to counter his power. When he was in frenzy he was very fast so you couldn't out run him, he could fast vault windows so those were useless, and he could fast vault pallets so those were usless. The only thing you could do was sit at a pallet and get hit the first time then drop that pallet to stun him and get him out of his power but at that point you have to waste a health state and a pallet so it wasn't really viable. When you look at nurse, billy, huntress, etc these killers have powers that potentially were even better than the old legion power but the reason people weren't complaining about those powers is because they were fair and had counter play. I really like legion, I think he has one of the coolest designs and concepts but his old power did need a change. I really hope he gets buffed soon, his power is weak and isn't unique at all.
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@UlvenDagoth That 1v1 post has nothing to do with how broken a mechanic can be.
Players understand that during the EGC it’s no longer a 50/50 chance to get out, but they want to make it interactive and yet it isn’t. So you’re confusing the request from some and summing up your own conclusion about who is the “power role”.
Back to Legion, he is not meant to be running around at a high speed (negating many of the mechanics that serve as survivors’ only defense) downing everyone in Frenzy mode. You have to be able to distinguish what is broken and what is not even if it is “fun”.
IMO Legion’s mend mechanic needs to change to something else because to me that has always been his most boring aspect from survivor perspective. He should be able to run around as much as he wants to gain distance (Kind of like the Hillbilly) but balance him around chases.
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not 6 months maybe 6 years tbh
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Just going to leave this here: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/86798/devs-are-you-satisfied-with-pigs-addons#latest
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The Legion is getting add-on changes in the near future. We've already confirmed this.
The Pig is also on the list for an add-on pass, but I can't say exactly when it'll be. We'll have to squeeze it in when we get a chance. We mentioned a short list of killers we would be revisiting (whether it be just add-ons or other changes) on a Q&A livestream. You can find the recap here if you missed it: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/77678/live-q-a-recap-july-25-2019#latest
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Presumably.
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its not like addons will fix legion , and they dont make good addons anymore . reworked legion , ghostface , now demigorgon . no fun and impressive addons . compare their addons to old killers addons , thats why nurse addons will die soon
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You are right and wrong with your posting imo, but that I am also for sure sometimes.
You are right that the Legion was very fast and that the counterplay was not always given, but that was either because the Legion had use op addons, or the survivor has put himself in a terrible position and a killer should not be nerfed, because some survivor did something wrong.
A default Legion, you could indeed counter with pallets. Mostly on 2 ways. Either you jump over the pallet and then back (as long as the Legion had frenzy running). If you have done that in the right time, the Legion was not be able to hit you with his frenzy hits. There was a small time window, were the Legion could not hit his victim. I have one time search on YouTube for a survivor and also direct found an tutorial video for that, if you are interested (they are really not hard to find).
And you could simpley pallet stun a Legion. If the Legion got pallet stunned, she had lost all her power. If the Legion had something like Franks Mixtape attached it was nearly impossible to do that, because then the Legion had even the time to stay for the pallet and wait for the survivor, so that he puts it down.
On the other hand, if you had no addon running that changes the frenzy time, you was sometimes pressed to it, to still hunt the survivor even with the danger of a palletstun over your head (no pun intended), because the frenzy time of the Legion was so short in the times back then.
Also the people have and still will probably complain about every killer in the future. You just need to search in this forum and I bet you will find "nerf billy and huntress" threads.
I can remember very well on some nerf threads because of the Huntress hatchets.
Her flyling hatchets (or how ever they are called in english), are also a special abilitie of a killer, where is no counterplay to it, once you got hitten.
You can for sure try to avoid, getting hitten, but once you are - you are down. By the Legion you could at least heal yourself, or get a heal by a friendly survivor.
And all that, you could also see in the statistics. While bhvr was working on the Legion patch, they showed also a "kill rate" statistic of every killer and the Legion was one of the last ones (don't know how good she performes today, since bhvr had taken the fun out the Legion). If I remember correctly, only the Clown was worse in this statistic as the Legion.
Would be there no counterplay and would have been the Legion so op, the Legion would have been not one of the worst killers - she would have instead fight with the best killers for place 1 of the best killrate.
So at the end, the Legion had counterplay. It just had take a different skill as only running around in loops and I have speak with survivors also about that and read also sometimes some of them in this or the steamforums and some of them miss that pressure and that different counterplay the Legion has force them to do.
Of course not everyone has this opinion but as said before, while we as players can either try to see every opinion or decide to see just oure side... A game should ->always<- try to get every playertype on board.
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Unfortunately the dev team can only work on so many things at once, so while i don't think he needs a complete rework like freddy, I do think it will take them a bit to get to him, I would expect by the end of next year at the latest.
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Nurse's add-ons will change because range add-ons are broken on her
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And that I find not really good preperated.
-They have clearley not listen to the wishes of the Legion mains. (otherwise you can't explain the patch notes of the Legion patch)
-They have also not listen to the warnings from the Legion mains and also sometimes survivors that this patch will be a desaster.
Imo... by this 2 big red flags on the horizon, to a time where they were working on the Legion patch, they should have hold a little time back for the case that their upcoming patch would make things worse.
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ye i know and i dont say its bad its just new killers addons are just little buff to stats of their powers rather than add something new to gameplay like myers funny addons
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@Aztreonam78 We do have something in our roadmap for Legion. Right now, the live design team is concentrating on the Nurse addon rehaul (among other stuff).
We are too early in the development process on the Legion changes to communicate about an ETA or even the changes themselves but be sure that when we are ready, we will communicate about it.
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Going for nurse addons while my boy leatherface has little to no addons to use cuz most of them are useless or they outright don't work at all.
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@Ghostingmyteammates We have to make choices when it comes to priorities. The Nurse has been left untouched for a long time and was long due for a rehaul. Leatherface will get his turn.
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Can not catch a brake huh lol I really feel for you guy working on these things so many demands.
Personally thank you on for giving the Legion this information I knew a few that will be happy to hear this. Thanks to the team hard at work looking into killers giving them tweeks and changes also.
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That was promised after he was releasedn please dont give him the freddy treatment by making him wait almost 2 years.
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just pray and we may get a rework in 2-3 years.
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