What's the hate on Pig?

Regarding the exposed ambush bug fix, it was indeed a fix to a recent bug, whenever her ambush was no longer considered a basic attack it was still affected by the exposed effect, which wasn’t supposed to be happening so yes, it is a bug fix.

No I didn’t, I was telling you that the exposed effect is not meant to effect her ambush anymore so it was a bug, your play time doesn’t change that.

They changed her ambush to not be a basic attack, chainsaws and hatchets(with add ons) are the only non-basic attacks able to insta-down, therefore Pig isn’t supposed to currently be able to insta-down with her ambush but she was able to despite her ambush not being a basic attack, so it is indeed a bug.

Overall, Pig can be a threat in the right hands indeed.

Is she noob friendly though? Lol no... And that's something they should really focus on if they want more people to play her. It shouldn't have to only be enjoyable to people that can use her, it should be enjoyable for all players of skill and playtime.

At some point, they decided her ambush wasn't considered a basic attack anymore. So they changed it.

But the exposed effect was getting triggered from it. That was a bug.

They fixed it.

And like @Mookywolf said

There's literally no scenario where making ruleset number 2 basekit doesn't end up with pig winning

It sucks because I feel your pain. I used to love playing the Pig and she was one of the first killers I leveled up to max right away, but after her nerfs I just don't feel the urge to play her ever anymore. The fact that Survivors couldn't escape at the end without taking off their traps (unless they found the hatch which is fair game) just made her unique and fun to play.

Now it seems like anytime they don't like the way another killer looks at them they nerf the Pig as punishment.

Also I remember when pig first came out and one of her challenges was getting a head pop and I actually managed to get one and finish that daily challenge.. I really wish there was a legacy achievement or some bonus for getting that before it was removed. I felt pretty accomplished for something I had nothing to do with but was still incredibly hard to do, haha.

He wasn't talking about his play time.. he was talking about a bug that had been in the game for two years.

A g r e e d. +1

I think the problem with pig is that you need to decide, if you want to play with the ambush or with the traps.

Because the other part will be not useful without addons. I don't understand why pig needs so long for her to crouch. Tbh I hope they will buff her any time soon.

The reason is that over 90% of Pigs tunnel the first survivor they see and prioritize hunting a player with a trap on their head instead of dealing with survivors who are on generators. And that's when Pig isn't crouching near the hook for a free Insidious camp and tunnel. The devs clearly suffered from this and are doing everything in their power to reduce the number of Pig players so they can enjoy the game.

A Pig main is literally on the dev team so they don't hate the Pig. I imagine she's doing fine and there are very few instances where this even matters. There's only one big one, which is NOED. I don't think they want a NOED that can be hit from that far away.

As for what Groot is saying, you're referencing the BUG, which was that DESPITE the lunge being no longer counted as a basic attack, it was STILL proccing exposed effects. So this WAS a fix, not a nerf. You could argue that BEFORE the BUGFIX, where they actually CHANGED the attack to a non-basic attack, was a nerf, but that's not what you're referencing in your main post. You're referencing something that happened AFTER they changed it to be a non-basic attack.

Agreed Pig needs some work when it comes to the Reverse Bear Trap element. There is no pressure when EGC starts.

It's a very confusing time for us pig mains I don't really understand it seems like every dlc drop something is done to her and I have no idea why.

The thing that annoys me is that now you have to be more picky about your perks because yes you can still use most of them but...

say I'm chasing a survior and I need to dash to mimdgame a palet or something and my dash around happens at the same time as haunted ground is broken.

Your not going to get that down you can of course get it but after chasing them back down... but it just feels wrong. It takes away that perk in essance because pig is punished it feels like it to me.

I guess because she's my girl she's not strong she's just pig I never see anyone complain about her either I just feel sad that they keep making these changes to her.

I can only hope this is part of some crazy plan when if they ever get around to working on her add ons and these things are required to be done for a reason.

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To be honest tho you can nurf my girl into the ground and I'd still love her and choose her over all the other killers

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I would agree if you but for the most part survivors tend to do generators regardless if reverse bear traps are in play or not.

2 minutes and 30 seconds is a lot of time to take the bear trap off. So it's become a massive non threat to some survivors to the point where they will even do generators whilst they have a bear trap on them or that other survivors just do a generator whilst the trap Survivor is on the hook then rescue them.

So the question becomes why am I using an ultra rare add-on for an effect that could be so easily negated and ignored?

@Peppa_Pigsaw I think Groot is saying they are making every attack that's not a M1 attack don't count as a basic attack for consistancy purposes.

It was a bug that ambush attacks were counted as a basic attack because they were not a M1 attack - it's a M2 attack.

It can be a nerf if you let it be one. For example, Save The Best For Last doesn't lose tokens when you Ambush Attack your Obsession. :)

Edit: My grammar is awesome "It's was" 😂

The problem with the whole time waste factor for the RBTs is that it is not consistent. When you get the good end of RNG, you do get a noticable amount of time, which is good. But when RNG turns against you, your Traps feel like they hardly do anything at all, which is REALLY bad. It's just a complete roll of the dice in regards to whether you actually get a reasonable amount of game stall from the Traps or not. What makes it even worse is that this can extend to her RBT add-ons too, where you are still able to get bad RNG while using them, which just means they go to waste in those cases.

I think she is one of the better weak Killers, but I still think she is weak.

"Also I remember when pig first came out and one of her challenges was getting a head pop"

Lolwut. That was actually a daily challenge at one point? Lol, unless that challenge paid you in Auric Cells, that is hilariously unreasonable.

@Peanits told me they are going to be doing the same thing with LF with Speed Limiter. :)

I understand your point, and they are doing this to all killers - it just takes time.

I should point something out that you probably didn't realize at the time of making your post but the 4 meters actually does mean something for the pig.

1 : Pig's stealth is the only form of stealth that actually slows you down (to 92% or otherwise 3.68 m/s) making it harmful to stay crouched for long periods of time. This is unlike Wraith who actually moves faster while cloaked and Ghostface who is not hindered by his stealth unless he goes out of his way to crouch.

2 : To continue off from my point above, before the terror radius change you could just use whispers to know exactly when to crouch to minimize the time wasted by crouching. Now with the change you must run whispers with monitor & abuse, thus hurting her perk variety as two perks must be used to make optimal use of her crouching.

I would agree that the terror radius change isn't a big deal if it weren't for the fact that doing so decreases your movement speed. That's just something I wanted to point out.