THE LEGION!
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oh yeah, right.
if you enjoy sitting in one spot for 80 seconds, holding M1 thats good for you.
i personally prefer interacting with the other players and having skillfull interactions with them - sometimes beating them and sometimes getting beaten.
sadly, legion does not offer that. they press M2 and then they catch you within the next however it takes them to recharge their ability 5 times.
thats not a fun interaction, you cant do anything against it. this is what he ment by "legion chases too long" - he leaves no room for skillfull interactions and there is no need for legions to mindgame at all.
just like @PolarBear said - legion ignores any defenses the survivors have without any counterplay, which makes him just unfun to go up against.
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I have seen pretty skillfull chasing interactions in Legion chases, if we talk from a Legion without the op addons.
If you don't believe me... The videos are linked in this thread that show a bit of it... They are just 1 click away and yes, I know the Legions were all bad. It has nothing to do with it, that they don't have use the op addons. No, no.
Anyways, time for me now to make a new character in Conan Exiles^^.
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I like stealthing around a killer aswell, I like doing silly things for the memes, I like interacting with fellow survivors... none of these involve being in a chase.
So you are wrong.
The videos showing counterplay were already posted, reply to them how they aren't actually counterplay, or you saying "there is no counterplay" is as irrelevant and silly as someone claiming the earth is flat
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alright you two, ima gonna make it short here:
i do not care enough for this topic ("bring back old legion") to put any effort into this.
this is my statement (and this is a very common statement throughout the entire community of this game): old legion is plain out bad gamedesign and NEEDED to be changed for the sake of this games health.
i am not saying legion doesnt deserve any buffs / reworks, but old legion is a plague that NEEDS to stay away from this game.
so please stop acting like legion was fine - he really wasnt.
come up with some new ideas to buff this killer instead of crying that you need your super crutch back. cause that is what he was: the go to killer for anyone who sucked at chasing and couldnt handle getting outplayed, but also didnt want to invest time into actually getting good at the game.
legion is in a MUCH better spot now than ever and you will not change my mind about that.
PS: i am usually against killer nerfs, yet the legion change actually filled me with joy.
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Safe pallets force the killer to break the pallet and reset bloodlust and in addition to that most killers don't even play for bloodlust unlike most legion players who waited for FF to get a hit.
Against legion safe pallets didn't mean anything as they can just vault it and hit you.
It isn't even tricks. (This sentence is not a brag just making a point:) If someone experienced like me plays killers who knows most tricks like window tech, cj tech etc., we won't fall for those. If I were playing Legion and someone tried to window tech me it just wouldn't fly, it's very predictable and can be countered very easily.
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The legion did not have counterplay, period. Once he hit you with frenzy alls he had to do was moonwalk with Bloodhound, or keep stabbing you with Frenzy since he didn't get punished for missed attacks. You'd go down no matter what.
He probably had the lowest kill rate because it took a while for him to down people with these cheese methods.
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Legion does not a buff or maybe a total rework, they are useless now. Devs did the same thing with Freddy. He came out absurdly strong, they nerfed him into oblivion and left him there for 2 years. I suspect they will do the same with Legion.
One of the big things that annoy me about Legion is their power has nothing to do with their lore. Somehow they should really make it feel like you are going against multiple killers.
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Did you skip the videos people posted telling what the counterplay was?
Everyone just keeps saying how there was no counterplay, but no one addresses the videos showing the counterplay. Weird how that goes right?
Vaulting back when the legion vaulted is literally part of the counterplay, did you not watch the videos aswell?
"old legion is a plague that NEEDS to stay away from this game."
Why? Because you said so? Because other people said so? You hold this position very strongly for someone that doesn't wanna research it.
"legion is in a MUCH better spot now than ever and you will not change my mind about that."
Then why are you even pretending to be having a discussion?
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Thank you, but as you can see - they have their opinion.
They could see it with their own eyes and they would not even take it for real.
Not that they even try it. But that is a common and not Legion unique, or even killer unique problem.
The people complain about something and then they do nothing, as that. Even if it is something easy to do, like to press 1 time your mouse.
The are really like flat earthers^^.
Edit: And this was also the reason why I had not write a tutorial. Why wasting 20 minutes and writing a tutorial? The "but the Legion was op, even there are 10k things that proves me wrong here" sentence would have come anyways.
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Legion just got that fame because Noob3 said from the start that he didn't like legion, and hated it, etc. etc.
In reality, Legion just has a different style of chase that people didn't give the time to adapt. He got gutted 5 months after release. Incredibly small time period. Also, people didn't like frank's mixtape and the exploits, not Legion itself.
But what am I saying? You just don't care as you stated.
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what people disliked about legion were the very poor chase mechanics and the lack of possible counterplay.
this has been said like 50 times in here over and over, yet you still insist on old legion being "fair and fun to play against".
i also dont dislike old legion, because streamer XY said he disliked them, i dislike them because i actually faced quite a lot of those and they were always annoying.
here is a fact:
old legion was the killer with the highest DC rate in the entire game.
i wonder why... because obviously players had no problems with the killer, but actually just with one add on / the exploits.
no fam, everyone hated legions base design - Franks Mixtape and the exploits just made it worse, but they were far from being the sole reason for all the hate.
and just so you know: the legion "nerf" actually did nothing but doing what the community requested, which was getting rid of legions unfun aspects.
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thanks for defending and i agree with everything you said
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Most of those people got influenced by that XY streamer/youtuber. That is a very important fact that cant be denied.
If they got rid of the unfun aspects, why are there people saying that Legion is very boring to go against?
Plus, Legion lost its essence and fun. His power has 95436984563 drawbacks for little to no reward and that isn't fun, objectively because no one will like to use soemthing that bad and very dull.
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When Legion can just do a 180 and hit you before you even vault back it isn't counterplay xd. It is the most predictable thing ever and since Legion didn't even get punished for missing an attack they can go for it even if the survivor doesn't vault it and keeps running.
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i am not most people though.
i also never denied that.
people still consider legion to be unfun to play / verse, as their power is very flat has no depth to it. its just run around the pallet and get hit after some time, its nothing special. other killers have a real influence over the game with their powers, legion has none.
and like i said above, i am all for legion buffs / power reworks. just not bringing old legion back. old legion also wasnt very fun to play back in the day, so not much changed there...
but yes, the power needs reworks.
current legion is far from being fine, though they are in a way better spot than previously.
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For all people saying Legion had no counterplay, because he could vault pallets and windows… Nurse and Spirit want to say hi.
Seriously, I get it. OP addons combo wasn't fun to play against and exploits were ruining fun too, so players were irritated by this and wanted a change.
I understand that it's not fun to bleed out while in chase or to mend, but for f sake. You can take his DW, you can take his ability to down while in FF, but don't complain about his mobility and countering pallets and windows while we have Nurse and Spirit that do this job better than Legion.
Sometimes I think no matter what devs will change for him, either will it be just addon changes and buffs to them, or added number tweaks to his base kit, people will complain, because "He CaN vAuLt PalLeTs AnD wInDoWs! ThAt'S nOt FaIr".
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You can see monto doing it in the video posted over and over again, in a row. Huge majority of the time he didn't get hit.
So yeah, it's a counter.
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I know dead by daylight since vanossgaming made videos of it (roughly 3 years ago) but I only started to in the middle of january and i mained wraith for the 1st month.
But I was seeing a lot of people playing Legion and I had a really fun time playing against it, the killer felt like different to any other. Then I started to main Legion and I had the most fun that I didn't have in any other game with a character. And no, I never exploited as Legion.
All of this because I was truly new to the game and I had a lot of fun playing as/against Legion and I didn't have a chance of having a biased opinion.
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Oh wow! Monto did it in a video so surely it must work every time! It's not like there are killers who actually have half a brain cell and know how to turn around after they vault...
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tbh you can play around it too. Too many times survivor mindgamed me like that, because "100% they will vault back so I should turn back!". Even if Legion has a brain it's too easy to mindgame them on pallets and windows
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The thing that some people imo not get is, that it had give 3 type of Legions in dbd.
1-The default pre patch Legion. You can see this Legion in the Video from Monto.
2-The pre patch Legion with op addons and exploits. You can see this Legion at your favorite streamer that likes to show how op the Legion was, because he could have never show it with the Legion type 1 of this list.
3-The new Legion, we all more or less know.
This Legion has maybe a better killrate as bhvr said it 1 time, but she makes no fun and as a Legion player of the Legion from category 1, you don't have see the point in the nerfs. Also you had usually not a toxic endgame chat in my experience.
Would the people be mad at the Legion, I as example should have had a toxic endgame chat, but I had mostly not a single toxic person in it.
Also I wouldn't take dc'ers as a pro reason for whatever argument.
DC'rs are toxic people, that also can be banned for their behavior (luckly). Would their opinion matter, I could also say that Legions have only exploit to have a chance with their poor basekit.
But I didn't, because exploiters need to be banned, end of story and the same counts for dc'rs.
Maybe I see that too tightly, but even if that is the case, I don't think its wrong.
If someone has a problem in the game, he can write in the forums, or on other social plattforms and personally I will never see in toxic behavior any sort of value.
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And where is your video of an amazing legion, without the exploits, never getting juked?
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