The demogorgon's now break pallet by default but Legion can't??
Quote from patch notes "The Demogorgon's Shred special ability now breaks pallets by default. Because of this change, we have re-worked the Red Moss add-on."
I find this very upsetting not because of this change, but because Legion has the same ultra rare add-on that let's them break pallets except they're vaulting. Legion should also be able to break pallets by default with his special ability (Frenzy) giving their current state. It just seems unfair they didn't make this change for Legion as well and they totally should. Majority of Legions add-ons needs a rework period.
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A huge monster flying into a pallet causing it to break makes sense.
A petite guy or girl climbing on top if it does not.
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Looks, sounds and is ridiculous, but you need to remember this is fiction and it's a video game. Many games just do it for gameplay reasons, not because of logic. Heck! Survivors should either not be able to run or even move for a while until it heals because they jumped from such a height.
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I feel Nurse blinking through a pallet should break it as well.
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Real life "sense" should never be the guide to balance a game. Legions iri addon doesn't make him bold out of the sudden so it's a bad explanation anyway.
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Anyway, it doesn't matter. The developers focus on one thing at a time, and right now its on the Stranger Things Chapter, whatever they do with Legion is probably still being debated.
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Seeing Nurse can't even comprehend what a pallet is, I can get behind this 😂
Look I LOVE Legion, they got nerfed into the ground because of pressure from the community and the Devs went too far with it. They did say they are going to change Legion's add-ons but that won't fix them, it will not. Saying that, I don't think making that add-on base is the right thing to do. It is their most powerful add-on and gets rid of that awful stupid speed change to vaulting them but it doesn't look right.
Legion needs help but this is not it, also if they did make it base then what could they possibly get to replace that add-on? Breaking the pallet is unique and therefore Ultra worthy but what could possibly replace that?
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If we are using logic, what people are running at full speed while they puking ? What people can be hit with a hatchet in their head or chainsawed and not die instantly ? What people can lose so many blood and still survive ?
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Legion vaulting a pallet is really fast. Demogorgon breaking the pallet with his special attack is not. Someone did the math and it's still slower to break the pallet with the Demogorgon's special attack than it is to break it normally.
Legion's add-ons to "hit a survivor who's already in Deep Wounds state to apply a secondary effect" are terrible and need to be reworked, though.
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What you are arguing is apple and oranges.
Demigorgan still stays on his side of the pallet. Legion gains considerable ground on the survivor by crossing the pallet.
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Normal pallet break time: 2.6 seconds
Pallet break time with BS: 2.08 seconds
Pallet break with BS and FU at 3 stacks: 1.78 seconds
Pallet break with BS+FU at 5 stacks: 1.5 seconds
Demogorgon Shredding a pallet starting with .65 second charge: 3.25 seconds
Demogorgon Shredding a pallet already charged: 2.25 seconds
Demogorgon Shredding a pallet already charged and using Black Heart add-on: 2 seconds
Demogorgon Shredding a pallet already charged and using Black Heart + Mew's Guts add-on's: 1.75 seconds.
Watching survivors Crap themselves as Demogorgon Shreds the pallet they just dropped: Priceless
There's some things Seconds can't buy, for everything else, there's Shred!
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Lol imagine scrawny Legion going all hulk on a pallet XD He/she would just hurt themselves... they would go to injure state!
Too funny!
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It's funny how people are talking and laughing about it's not being logical to a fiction game. It's all about balance for the killer. 🙄
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Okay, but why?
You say for balance, but that's too broad.
Why would this balance it out?
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Think about maps that have lots of pallets, that too large, or have tons of safe loops. Legion is very easy to loop and if you are a decent to good survivor you can literally loop them the entire game on one safe pallet if they don't break the pallet {trust me I've done it} and even if they do break the pallet the survivor will just run to other safe pallet loop. Having the ability to break the pallet by default with Frenzy can end endless looping and chases quicker.
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And this is a thing a lot of Legion players agree with?
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I agree, Legion needs more added to their power other than a special cat and mouse chase,
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Demogorgon is a MF-ing 3 meter tall monster from another dimension, weighting god knows how much, presenting pretty much a perfect hunting organism. Him breaking pallets with brute force and lunging as far as he does over windows make sense. Legion members couldn't even solo the Clown, let alone break pallets when climbing over them.
On a serious note, devs are most likely planning to rework them, their current state is a temporary plasterfix.
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Demogorgon is a MF-ing 3 meter tall monster from another dimension, weighting god knows how much, presenting pretty much a perfect hunting organism. Him breaking pallets with brute force and lunging as far as he does over windows make sense. Legion members couldn't even solo the Clown, let alone break pallets when climbing over them.
On a serious note, devs are most likely planning to rework them, their current state is a temporary plasterfix.
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You underestimate how little respect teens have for people's property.
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This made me laugh so hard. It's so true
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This x 1000
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Demogorgon is crushing into pallet with force of an big animal.
Legion just vault over it so it would not make sense for them to destroy pallet by vaulting without addon
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Yeah and the doctors shock should shatter a pallet, if the trapper places a trap next to a pallet it should break (just because), wraith should ghost through pallets and boom they break all by themselves, clowns tonic is the ultimate pallet destroyer, Freddy snares too, and don't forgot the bag if she places a trap under a pallet and it goes off that pallets totally dead.
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well if i remember correctly Demo cant curve his power around loops so he cant curve it as effectively as billy + he is taking more fatigue time xd so thats not a problem
but imagine legion on 1 power destroying 5 pallets xd and demo has cd after that legions add on makes him dash and he can stab you (ofc this stab isnt lethal) but why would you activate your power as legion to only break pallet and get stunned (im not talking about taking full add on power, but changing it as demo is now) isnt it better do kick pallet and use power to keep up with surv? (for legion ofc) and if you want to tell but if someone can have red add on base kit we want too (well lets make 1st myers T3 perma :) oh wait its plague when noone is cleansing xD )
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The big thing that you have to consider as to why Legion needs an ultra rare add-on to break pallets, vs demogorgon is simple: Unlike Demogorgon, who experiences a 2.25 second cooldown after he breaks the pallet, Legion keeps running without any cooldown. That actually makes the automatic pallet breaks worthy of an ultra rare. Can you imagine if, with an ultra rare add-on, if Billy could keep his chainsaw sprint going and just charge through the pallets without stopping? Demogorgon on the other hand has a cooldown from breaking them and doesn't even 1 shot survivors with his Shred attack. This made the Ultra Rare add-on laughably undeserving of its cost, when the ability should always have been base kit. For Legion on the other hand, given that they don't get a cooldown and can keep chasing after vault-breaking the pallet, their add-on's Ultra Rare status makes sense. If it were incorporated as part of their base kit, we'd get nothing but cries for nerfing them... AGAIN... clogging up these forums.
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I agree, if only because I like the idea of free points any time I blink through a pallet
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Cause legion stinks and the Demo is a chad monster.
case closed
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Thank you for those numbers! I've seen the stats for the base shred but not how add ons interacted with it. Much appreciated.
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I agree Legion needs buffs, but this doesn't make sense at all. : P
Sure, it would make chases end sooner, but if you're being looped in Frenzy, you're not doing it right.
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Legion requires a full rework
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The Legion needs a ton of buffs, to get rid of this stupid and disastrous patch bhvr has put on them, but please not that.
The devs should imo concentrate on making the Legion fast again, so that she can reach a survivor in the same time span as the pre patch Legion at least (still asking me for what the devs are afraid? Too much fear that a Legion would hit to often a survivor with the useless dw abilitie bhvr? Anyways...).
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Virgin legion go home stinkeh
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honestly removing being insta stunned after missing a FF attack would be a solid addon
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No. Legions URs are fine. Other addons not tho.
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That only can someone say who not care about the Legion playerbase, or didn't know it better.
The Legion had a unique playstyle and no matter what some people think about that - as long as the Legion fits not again in some way to this unique playstyle (how ever that will look at the end), she is not fine to the people who have bought the Legion because of the advertisment video of the Legion as example.
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Balancing is hard
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And the advertisement video of GF? No argument dude. I enjoy playing current legion, but pre-rework legion just destroyed every rank except reds. At the moment he needs some minor buffs to his base and some addons reworked.
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Running face first into the pallet with enduring then breaking normally is still better than a 5sec stun after you vaulted though.
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No, because most killers wont follow one survivor for the entire map to be "looped by a good looper".
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Good reason for this, he makes more distance when vaulting the pallet than when Demi hits the pallet with Shred
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Yeah some pipsqueak vaulting over a pallet should break it instantly ... hilarious!
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People needs to understand, that this game is not real and doesn't must make a sense. So might as well give a Legion an ability to destroy pallets when vaulting. HELLO This is DEAD BY DAYLIGHT
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You will need to wait for Legion's buffs
The nerfs pretty much killed Legion before
Demogorgon makes sense since he is a monster, and his takes longer than billy and leatherface, plus he will do the roar thing
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The reason why this is here because it would give legion a stronger pallet break ability than other killers as they make more distance that other killers
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Because it would make Legion somewhat good.
We can't have that now can we?
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Mmmm yes and no. If the Legion wants he can easily hit you, but they still needs wait 4 seconds from the cooldown, so it doesn't make them any stronger, just save a time from breaking a pallets outside of FF.
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Yes because before patch demo could definitely vault pallets by default just like legion so it's definitely the same thing and the devs are definitely treating the legion unfairly...
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wow thank you so much for these stats, i was looking for that.
I didnt know that 2 addons helped reduce the time to recover from breaking a pallet.
Does that make these 2 addons the strongest he has? after all they are only brown and yellow addons
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I agree with the statements that it's much more logical that Demo can break pallets vs Legion breaking every pallet they vault. The fact that Legion can vault pallets at all is what makes them unique among killers. In general I disagree with the logic of "Killer A is more powerful so now Killer B should be changed since they have a similar add-on/perk as the rework of Killer A."
The fact that the killers have different powers and abilities is a GOOD thing. There should be some more powerful killers that are easier for newbies to play and there should be trickier ones that are more challenging to master for experienced players. Otherwise the game would be boring! We already have survivors that are basically reskins of each other after a certain point. Do we really want to make the killers more homogeneous? I don't!
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Imma be honest me being a killer main I find that if legion can break pallets that would be very stupid, cuz him being able to ignore the pallets and vault over it is amazing itself and the legion would look very stupid and op if he can vault over and break it
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