Patch 3.2.1 -- Changes, why?

If I play in a SWF group, I’m the highest ranked survivor since I’m at Rank 1. I don’t care about getting matched with red rank killers, I just don’t want to wait an eternity for matches. I rarely see red rank killers. Even when I play solo I get matches with Rank 9-15 survivors/killers a majority of the time.

Interesting false equivalency you got there buddy.

Well I have given a killer that I can tell is having a hard time I let them get hooks free hits and what not. I understand new people on both sides and I play both side I help new survivors when I see them really falling behind but at the same point swf is just that swf no matter how much I can tell my team what to do they can't execute it not to mention I cant always take the chase over for them or do their skill checks for them for most they there to play with friend who has talked the game up to them they just want to have fun. All I was getting at is survivors takes a lot more to accomplish killer has the power roll and they will get hooks here and there and they may even kill a couple but they can get a survivor who new gets bullied camped or tunneled for more than a couple games will uninstall.

I'm okay with the Demogorgon's changes, but the new matchmaking system sucks. The problem with the former one is that it wasn't the way they stated. I was playing SWF with team's average rank between 7-10, but instead of getting killers in that range, it was potatoes with rank 20 all the time. But with the new system we gotta wait 15min to get a match that's gonna last 2min, because if we have a rank 1 in the team we got destroyed, even playing coordinated.

So how is this new system fair to SWF? And I'm asking this as a 50/50 survivor/killer player, it's very boring destroying non balanced SWF teams in the first minutes.

@Peanits I disagree that High Rank survivors should be in charge or protecting/teaching newbie survivors. Both Newbie survivors AND killers are capable of learning at the same pace. When I was learning Survivor most of it I learned from trial/error, not from friends teaching me. When I was learning killer, I learned by the things I learned from playing as a survivor (to think like they do) and from watching others play killer on stream.

If you have the majority as low ranks and 1 as a red rank...and end up with a rank 1 killer. Are you seriously saying that it is not any more unfair than it was previously?

It's sad that it took one "hypothetical" situation (The survivors who want to bully) for this to screw new survivors who just want to play with their friends without bullying. I mean, if you're going based on "possible scenarios" let's add the killers who purposely derank to only face new/inexperienced survivors.

At the very least you could have made the matches average the rank if most are low ranks.

Wow

It was based on average from what the patchnotes state.... and this grouping to bully has been going on for years, it's not just a "hypothetical scenario".

Survivors dont get bullied all the time xD ... this has been pointed out before, as a survivor you have the choice to play with who ever you want or play alone.... you can KYF as well to learn the game before going in.... KYF imo isnt taken advantage enough by players and that's unfortunate on their part but to each their own.

@Bravo0413 My point is, it should not be about "Who gets bullied more than who"... it should be about balance. Having 3 rank 20s and a rank 4 , and a rank 1 killer isn't balanced IMO.

You are looking at it from the lense of "killers get bullied more than survivors"... when "being bullied" in this game has become a word that just gets thrown around, when it has an actual meaning in the real world.

@TAG How exactly is this making them learn from the ground up though? Lol

Most survivors (As stated before) learn from trial/error even when you have a friend telling you about how "horrible Shelter Woods is for survivors..." most people forget things.

What this change does is just flip the thing they were trying to avoid for killers, just now onto newbie survivors.

@TAG Which most already do, but they also wanna play with their friends.

All I'm saying is they didn't meet in the middle with this change.

@Bravo0413 Killers already knew they were going up against SWF, so how is that different?

Just because it's a choice doesn't mean it's a balanced system.

(Going to throw in the same example used before) You have 3 rank 20 survivors 1 rank 4 survivor, game gives you a rank 1 killer....

Why not... You have 3 rank 20 survivors, 1 rank 4 survivor, game gives you a rank 9 killer?

My argument is it should be based on high rank but also make it average if the majority are lower rank.

They are still allowed to. Now they have to do so at their own peril.

A Rank 9 Killer going up against a Rank 4 Survivor and 3 Rank 20s sounds no better than a Rank 4 Killer going up against a Rank 4 Survivor and 3 Rank 20s from a balance perspective. At least with this system, a Rank 9 Killer won't have to worry nearly as much about going up against Survivors way higher rank than them.

Punish excessive de-ranking. Easy.

@TAG keyword "Could".

Currently it isn't punishable.

@TAG That's not a solution to a broken system.

Deranking being encouraged isn't a solution. Killing yourself on hook will never be a reason to punish people, when they barely do it for people who dc.

Making it equally balanced for both the newbie Killer AND Survivor experience is the solution.

It absolutely is. If the problem is that people deliberately de-rank a bunch, the solution is to punish people who do that. The fact that it fixes a potential workaround to the SWF thing is a bonus.

Not if they deliberately choose to do so. Now if they DIDN'T have the choice to not play against an opponent with 2k hours, that would be a problem.

If you don't want your new friend to play against a Rank 1 Killer, don't team up with them as a Rank 1 Survivor.

Your friend can absolutely still play with you immediately if they want. Just maybe advise them to play at their own level first so they can improve and maybe stand a better chance when you decide to throw them into the deep end when they are still at a lower rank.

@TAG No. My friend has to deal with the same issue the lowbie killer had to deal with.

Killers had a choice before as well, doesn't mean the system didn't need changing.