New matchmaking

Welcome to the same discussion that been going on for days now.

Like EVERY OTHER competitive, you're friends aren't playing at your level, so you should play a different game if you want to play with them.

@Karltastisk

Oh, you must have found that game mode that doesn't put you against a killer, or a set of 4 survivors.

You can chose try to play it casually, but IT IS a competitive game. Its one player VERSUS four other players. If thats not the idea of competition to you, then you need to look up the definition.

If he wants to play with his friends in a NOT COMPETITIVE game there are plenty on the market. Diablo, Borderlands, etc.

The minute you start going against other people, especially people you don't know (which is why I suggested they do custom games), its by definition competitive, and its not fair to your opponent or other random teammates to suggest otherwise.

If ranks were just an input to say you play a lot, this guy wouldn't be making his complaint. Obviously they mean something, or it wouldn't bother him that he and his friends are going against higher ranks.

"E-sports worthy" and just "competitive" are two different bars. If players are playing against each other for the sake of climbing up the ranks, even if that rank is just for the sake of showing off a number and icon, that is enough to be "competitive" in my book.

Based on queue times, I don't think this game has a large enough player base on each platform to support another mode. Be nice if PS4 and XBox (and Switch - I imagine different graphics capabilities would put them at a disadvantage) could play together. Maybe that is closer to working when dedicated servers come about.

Update: Its in top 10 of Steam though, so I could be wrong.

There were certainly SWF groups that were bullying the lower rank players. But even if they weren't being toxic, going against a group thats highly coordinated, knows how to loop well, and is just playing to the best of their abilities but is WAY better than you, isn't much fun either. One can only take so many "learning experiences" before they decide to just move on.

Again, broken record here, but its about choice and expectation management. SWF groups CHOSE to SWF group. They know what to expect. Killers didn't get that benefit.

I'm personally fine with this change. My friends and I always take breaks from the game so we'll be lower ranks when we get back into the game, and it's a struggle to verse killers at the ranks we should be at because we make mistakes of course, but we also get those clueless teammates that are no help the entire match, causing us to basically carry them. And since I play solo I rank up a bit, so now when I play with my friends we can have slightly better teammates and not feel bad for the killers.

This is why the matchmaking was partly changed as it works both ways and was being abused.

If the game is not competative and is casual what difference then does it make for your friends to die more often?

Think about what you said about a 1k hour killer. A survivor could also have 1k hours and party with someone who had 20 hours so the killer may not have a fun match.

The main difference is choice. You or your friends can chose to party and learn versus the better killers or they can party up with the other 2 While they learn against lesser skilled ones until they reach a point they can play with yourself.

People need to stop purley thinking about their own fun in this scenario and realise a killer who has 50 hours at rank 12 paired with the 1000 hour survivor wasn't fun for them.

@MisterCremaster I never once said that there aren’t survive a friend groups that are toxic, but I also believe that just because someone wants to play with their friend should not be punished to play against someone who is three times higher rank in more experienced than they are.

Because if bullying was the reason you had a problem with how it was before in the first place, You would have a problem with the low rank survivor playing against a higher rank killer too.

Personally as a killer I don’t want to be facing rank 17’s simply because they chose to play with their friends .

Excellent point! But as a killer on PS4 the wait time and DC's are abysmal rn. Annnnd I still get lopsided survivors 1 red 3 yellow grey... And they aren't popping in at once so I don't suspect SWF most times. They do dc though 😞

Can't you see an issue with how you are saying your fun should be priority over someone else's.

Killer players have had to put up with your scenario for years where they would be versing players too good for them due to the system.

Instead of thinking about only your circumstance put yourself in their shoes. Do you really think it was fair for them to not have fun in a match due to who you chose to play with?

Thats ok the game has been going to die numerous times with changes people didnt like since 2016 and here we still are.

Even the middle ground has killers who can't compete with those in red ranks. That doesn't solve the issue and why it has been one of the most complained about situations.

The thing is survivors don't have to be bullied they have that choice. Having a choice and chosing it is on the person not the game. Most PvP games your friends won't be able to play with you in a ranked mode unless they learn the basics and start to rank up. Why should this be any different?

You are also not thinking about new killer players that come to the game gwtting bullied as getting to green ranks is easy for a killer as you cannot depip from 20 to 16. 15 to 10 is where most of the new players can end up and pretty quickly who have even a small knowledge of the game which is where the average game could pit them against those in your scenario.

New players should not be pitted against the best but at least new survivors have that choice now if they want to or not.

Your three new friends can easily play together for a while leaning the game. I don't really see why that is an issue if one person out of the four has to wait so its a fairer game for all.

There is never any need to lower oneself to petty insults. It's a game and friends will take the time to learn the game if they truly want to play with you. You can still advise them and play with them all you wish it's just they will have a great time initially that's is the choice you have to make.

Lobby dodging needs looked at and who knows it may be getting worked on just but two wrongs don't make a right.

Learning the basic takes very litle time but that alone will not make you good enough to verse the better players. Any competent gamer could hit rank 15 with around 10 hours of play. Rank 15 to 10 are still zones for newer players and why it would be helpful if the devs also worked on the deranking of some. What you have learned regarding not chasing a player is done with time played and doesn't help when you don't have the knowledge or skills to avoid flashlights and good players will take advantage of that with newer killers.

It is quite clear no amount of reason will change your mind. I hope you can see it from the other side and if not happy gaming.

Time will tell of course but I personally think the game will be fine and people that enjoy the game will adapt to the change quickly. It's now not any different from most other PvP games afterall.

After any change the devs make players come to the forum and complain but tbh this change hasn't had as many complaints compared to the Legion changes or the DS change for examples.

I don't think KYF is the answer for players out to learn playing the normal game. KYF while good for learning maps and the basic game mechanics doesn't reflect the normal game play and people will generally go easier and not use some of the less liked tactics.

I can't ever see deranking by suicide being bannable as it's an in game mechanic. I am.not a fan of bans anyway and prefer time out systems. What idea I have mentioned in the past is making rank brackets where you have 5 of them like broad, silver, gold, platinum and diamond once you reach a bracket you cant derank after just 5 matches as it takes a minimum of 50 games to set an mmr and you can then drop to the lower bracket.

Matchmaking can match you with 1 below or above. It means those in the top can only play with the top two bracket for example. This is just for the sake of the player numbers.

I have also spoken about being on the hook and suiciding in the past and due to people doing it for a number of reasons I put out the idea of you needing to be on the hook for at least 30s in each stage before it's possible.

Ugh. We all know you want easy matches and play with your potato friends. Just wait for rank reset or they get better or realistically the devs cave.