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About DCing and toxicity
Weren't the devs going to do something about DCing when the dedicated servers came online? Does anyone know about that?
I just went against a SWF. After I hooked the first person as Spirit, she DCed. The other players in her group quickly followed until there was a 4-man DC. I got "entity displeased" with a down rank. It was really frustrating because their toxicity won out. In the comments, they did the normal trolling. I simply reported them all. However, wasn't fixing the DC problem something that the devs were going to do something about at some time? Thoughts. How furstrating!
Honestly, I think the devs should institute a 5 minutes timer if you DC purposefully where you can't match. At least make a price for doing it.
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Dedicated servers aren't actually online, yet; they're just being tested right now. As long as killers host the match, they can't be sure why disconnects happen, so they can't punish players for it. Once the dedicated servers are fully up and running, they'll be able to do something about the disconnects.
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Funny thing is I am already waiting 10+ minutes without dcing or doing any other misdeeds.
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Dedicated servers, while only online to pc, is still being tested. So once it is finally up and running and is more 'stable' DC's will be dealt with efficiently. Right now having penalties can be bad because some people can't control if they dc, like irl problems, the killer's ping is bad, the game crashes. Bans are happening though.
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I think devs should do something about camping. This is the biggest cause of DC'S
Simply a killer kills you because it doesn't go off hook
What happens is that the killer can easily tunnel and camper
Hook has a catch that makes it even easier for the killer to camper, if you try to take it out, it gives you a catch.
I don't like DC, but these things make the game very stressful
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People honestly need to chill in this game. I get told to kill myself all the time when i play Legion of all Killers. Like, Why?
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I agree there should be something to deter the dc's, I don't think something that could make queues even slower is a good idea. Maybe a BP penalty? Maybe the same for when killers dodge lobbies? I dunno. There's probably no good solution.
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I mean, if i see a 4 man Claud Squad with purple Toolboxes i'm dipping outta that Lobby. I don't care.
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Yeah I mean, like I said, there's no good solution. People will always be pissy and dc, both killers and survivors. People will always dodge lobbies.
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Well dodging lobbies is not as bad as DCing, in my opinion.
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Punishing DC's isn't going to fix anything. They will kill themselves on hook if they don't want to play in that match anymore.
Also, if you don't want what happened in that video, then tell the devs to nerf that broken addon and it won't happen :)
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Survivors will kill themselves on hook instead of dcing. Nothing will change really.
If you don't want people to dc then don't run broken addons like that in the video. No one enjoys going against iridescent head huntress or prayer beads spirit.
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I cant even tell what youre trying to say...
But can we not post clips of streamers as if they are the second coming and rainbows shoot out their asses? Please and thank you.
Yes, DCs are an issue. Yes, camping is an issue. Its not a "them" vs "you" problem. Both of these are issues and the community as a whole should want them both addressed. Its not like they can fix one but not the other and we have to pick one.
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Punishing DC's isn't going to fix anything. They will kill themselves on hook if they don't want to play in that match anymore.
Also, if you don't want what happened in that video, then tell the devs to nerf that broken addon and it won't happen :)
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Survivors will kill themselves on hook instead of dcing. Nothing will change really.
If you don't want people to dc then don't run broken addons like that in the video. No one enjoys going against iridescent head huntress or prayer beads spirit.
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I cant even tell what youre trying to say...
But can we not post clips of streamers as if they are the second coming and rainbows shoot out their asses? Please and thank you.
Yes, DCs are an issue. Yes, camping is an issue. Its not a "them" vs "you" problem. Both of these are issues and the community as a whole should want them both addressed. Its not like they can fix one but not the other and we have to pick one.
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Excuse me, but I might have missed that "toxicity" part. Could you please elaborate? What did they do during the trial to give you the feeling that they were toxic? Or is DCing = toxic for you?
I'm asking, because in the title, you've mentioned DCing AND toxicity as two keywords.
Thanks in advance!
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Thank you.
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I do need to elaborate on my personal experience. In my game, after I hooked the first girl, she DCed. I kept playing, and the other players did not DC right away (as I realize rereading my own post, it seems like they did). Instead, they just ran around, looped and seemed to play like normal. However, each time I downed a person, then they DCed. So, they essentially wasted my time. I had to find and down the remaining three people.
When we got to the lobby, they started typing stupid things - like, "are you gonna call my mom? What are you doing to do?" The also just started talking amongst each other and laughing. I reported them and ended the chat, but the experience left a really bad taste in my mouth - hence this post.
Yet elaborating more on this matter, DCing can be toxic for other reasons as well. Ive had people DC in the beginning of a Clown game because I found them first and read their looping and downed them. In a particular instance, one person DCed and so did their friend. Leaving 2 survivors with 5 gens at the start.
In games like those, I typically let the survivors get a few gens and don't take things seriously because if I do, I get an entity displeased.
DCing to downrank is also still a think you can experience as the 13th approaches.
What I was meaning to say is that DCing can and is being used in a toxic manner. I believe something needs to be done regarding it, and I was under the impression there were plans to address the problem.
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That kind of thinking shows survivor elite-ism. Survivors have instant heals, keys, their own overpowered addons - yet you don't see killers DC over that. I have seen killers DC from time to time but not in the way survivors do.
See, the fact you can say to me "If you don't want people to dc then don't run broken addons like that in the video," shows the very problem of toxic DCing. Survivors get mad over anything in the game (missing thier DS, oh a loop didn't go my way, oh I'm against a nurse), just DC is what your saying.
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I'd post footage of my own experiences if I could. I only posted the streamer's video because it gave a crystal clear example of what I was talking about.
It seems it was taken down, so I will just post the link here: https://youtu.be/fAYoznKPlNg
Also, camping isn't really an issue in my opinion. The killer loses points by doing so. When I play survivor, sure it feels bad when you get camped and your teammates typically don't know how to handle the situation (i.e. rush gens or make a coordinate effort to save). In contrast, however, DCing has no counterplay. It isn't a good comparison.
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From my first post:
"I think the devs should institute a 5 minutes timer if you DC purposefully where you can't match." - i.e. DC=time out from matching.
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Killers only lose emblem points for camping. Not bloodpoints. Some killers see it as a win-win. They get bloodpoints and wont rank up too fast
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That's fine. It will fix the problem though. When you go to log in and see that you have been permanently banned you'll stop doing it as you go through making a second steam account to play and then should you do it again you'll be hardware banned and future replays will require a new motherboard and a new account.
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The game for survivors consists of:
- Doing Gens
- Doing Totems
- Chases, eventually escaping, often not
- Getting hooked
- Unhooking/Getting unhooked
- Healing yourself/each other
When a killer player has nothing better to offer than camping every survivor on the first hook he is denying survivors points 1,2,3,5,6 - 5/6th of all game events scoring points. What point would there be to stay in a game like that ? Of course people disconnect such boring annoying "games". For the killers it reduces the game to hitting mouse 1 twice than space all of that once per survivor found and thats it. As exciting as watching dry paint dry some more.
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I'm not defending dcing. Just saying what people are going to do and how to devs can reduce the amount of dc's. No one enjoys going against broken addons, people play this game to have fun.
It's funny when you say killers don't dc. That shows killer elite-ism to me. Just had someone dc this morning because they got 360ed once. Killers get mad over stupid things just like survivors.
It is entirely your fault if you decide to go against keys or swf then dc or complain afterwards, because killers can easily dodge lobbies. Killers can choose who they want to go against. Swf?Dodge. Flashlights? Dodge. Keys? Dodge. Toolboxes? Dodge. Survivors don't have that luxury.
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Devs don't ban people for killing themselves on hook. What is your point?
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it is probably majority survivors hate spirit just like i do. for a lot of people there is nothing we can do once spirit find us. when i play if one diss connects and then spirit gets another survivor straight away then they will also dissconnect. especially when there are 5 gens left. most of the time spirit will not give remaining survivors a chance to do anything. another situation is where spirit hooks, then immediatly hooks another and it just goes on. we can not run or hide. people hate spirit that much that they have made a pact not to even play properly with anymore. when bbq chili is used aswel as her really good add ons it's impossible to do anything with, she zips around the map and bam game over for all survivors.
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also when people dissconnect they will lose two pips. this happened to me when i had to face her in my first and 3rd game. it has stopped me from dissconnecting, for others they are not bothered. more and more people are trying to make sure nobody uses spirit anymore.
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where is the video you are talking about?
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You called for toxicity?
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Anyone who rage quits should have to wait 1 hour to queue again. 2nd offense 24 hour ban. 3rd 3 days. 4th 1 week. 5th permaban. go play something else because you cant handle losing. You should lose all your add ons, offerings too. Killers & survivors
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It really isn’t because it’s before the match and say you have bad ping you need to leave lobby because your ping doesn’t match up
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Because that’s taking the death early while dcing is leaving the game at a disadvantage to others people have a chance to save you on hook if they’re close enough before you ######### and the kill counts to the killer anyways
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Starting at one hour is ridiculous. The system can't judge "rage quit" vs someone who was forced to quit due to cheating, glitching, or being held hostage. Those things may not be super common but they do happen; you can't punish people for that. You have to start small, with like a 5 minute wait time after the first or second offense.
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They already punish camping, and I'm not sure if that's the main cause for DCs.
I almost never camp and avoid tunneling when I can and survivors still DC all the time. Just yesterday I had a survivor DC in the first minute because I hit them. No joke.
Get unhooked when the killer is near? DC.
Get downed first? DC.
Get picked up by the killer when you have No Mither? DC.
Survivors dying too fast? DC.
Don't like the killer? DC.
Get grabbed off a gen? DC.
They should really compensate the other players when someone DCs (and killer should receive better compensation than they do now), except for SWF survivors on the same team as the DCer.
Edit: Accidentally posted too early.
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When someone kills themselves on hook survivors will still be in a huge disadvantage. The only difference is that killers will get more bloodpoints and emblem points.
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I had a survivor DC because I downed them with Plague... by M1'ing them twice. No vomit involved. wth? People will DC for anything.
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Exactly. A lot of survivors will also see whatever they hate and just dipp out of there.
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Camping is allowed, its a strategy. Devs have stated it, multiple times. If your group is stupid it works, if they are smart they'll go do gens. Camping is not a legit reason to rage quit, neither are perks, add ons, mori's etc. If someone D/C's as soon as they get downed it was on purpose and should be 1 hour cool down. i never quit ever, its weak. Id rather lose and get some points instead of zero
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People DC for all kinds of reasons, and I can't say for Killer DCing cause I don't play survivor. But as Killer I have had people DC for being hit, DC for being downed, DC for being pulled from a locker, DC for me playing LEGION (and then tell me to kill myself in post game) DC so there friend could get hatch, DC all at once to depip me, DC cause I hooked them, DC cause another Survivor annoyed them, DC cause I found them while they healed, DC cause I used Mad Grit of all things, DC cause I used Fuming Mixtape (the reason was it was an Ultra Rare and all of those should be deleted) DC cause I out played them, DC cause I avoided getting pallet stunned, DC cause I won't farm, DC cause I downed them cause they tbagged too far from the edge of the exit gate.... and I could keep going.
People don't just DC cause some add-ons are broken or something like that. People DC cause there is no punishment for it.... they feel like they can do it as much as they like for whatever reason they want.
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Yep 100% correct. They DC if they dont like the killer, map, perks, anything. Its society these days, if they cant win its not fair, a bunch of super sensitive snowflakes that call anything they dont like toxic. Everyone thinks they are entitled to 3 hooks, you are not. The killer's quitter bonus is a joke too. You get a fraction of what you would have earned from a hook or sacrifice.
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well I mean I 100% don't blame people if they DC on a garbage map
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oh god, I had a match where this one survivor managed to avoid being hooked all game. I downed him after the exit gates were open, and I was gonna be nice and just carry him to the exit rather than hook him... but he disconnected before I could pick him up :(
Yeah, people touting "broken add-ons" as the reason survivors disconnect... nah, man. They do it cause they can. You're right about that.
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Thank you for reading my whole post. I was worried it was too blocky.
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its pathetic, just had a billy who dced the moment the last gen got done. sad thing was he/she must have turned router off because we got sent back to lobby screen . didnt get any bp or anything. Just a salty killer who cant take defeat.
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Don't get too optimistic: I'm on of those weirdos who's good with reading comprehension. Don't know what the hell I'm doing posting on an internet forum, I must've gotten lost or something. ;)
I'm interested to see what'll happen with the whole disconnection thing once dedicated servers truly come online. Will we see a decrease in disconnects or will we see a lot more players getting banned? Will survivors disconnect less when they can't deny killers BBQ stacks or give the last survivor the hatch?
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I 100% agree. I'm so hopeful that dedicated servers will bring at least some sort of justice to survivors disconnecting because they know there is no punishment and that it hurts the killer. Same on the killer side too. It feels to me (playing both survivor and killer) that it happens way more often with survivors, but only actual statistics could measure that.
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Oh yea, the BBQ stack thing... They kept doing that to me in Blood Hunt.
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It is equally bad to get a whole SWF DC for whatever reason.
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