The last NOED post we need

The perks you mentioned for survivor do not reward failure. What they do is allow a survivor a chance of escape. The only potential ones I could see on the list would be self care cause you're injured and dead hard cause you're injured, but most high rank players use it for distance not a hit dodge anyway so..?

Deliverance, sure. But then to activate that perk which doesn't even matter because you're likely to be unhooked anyway, you must succeed in not being found first, beating your team to a safe hook safe, making sure the save is safe, etc. To activate it you must first succeed.

NOED, on the other hand, does reward failure to an extent. The perfect balance is, according to the devs, 2 kills 2 escapes. Obviously everyone has differing opinions on a win and a loss, but that's that. NOED swings the balance of the game so much more than adrenaline or deliverance or dead hard or balanced do. It makes loops redundant when you're moving at 119% speed, with an instant down ability on top of that. It's literally a low risk high reward perk. There's an argument of "Oh, they're only using three perks for the majority of the match" but so are survivors using adrenaline, and I've seen a lot of complains on that on the forums.

I get that killers were one weak, infinites; old old ds; old ds; old mom; old exhaustion- they all stacked up to a bad time and NOED came along as a saving grace. But now, it's not needed. Survivors are weaker than they've ever been (though they can still put up one hell of a fight), and killers are only getting stronger (except pig, rip pig). NOED is no longer needed as it once was, killers don't need that extra boost at endgame unless they're bad, and so it's seen as a crutch perk because it is at this point.

Now let's face it, the most common argument is "Just cleanse totems." Now in a swf on voice comms then that's all well and good, you know exactly how many totems have been cleansed, you know who's doing what, and it's all fine and dandy. But solo survivors? They need to waste time finding totems (with small game or without), they need to see if they can find spots where their teammates have already cleansed totems to keep count, they need to spend the time on the totem all the while they don't know if anyone on their team is doing anything useful or if they're just sat in a bush doing nothing.

Tl;dr the perks you mentioned don't fit the criteria, NOED has overstayed it's welcome, and the people it needs to punish the most (swf who gen rush) end up getting punished the least.

So imo, it needs a change.

NOED indeed rewards failure.... it rewards the killer for the failures of the survivors who didn't do all the bones.

Yes, I too can word play.

let's be honest why people hate NOED - it's a "turn the tables" perk that shifts the momentum of the game. So many perks and addins in this game shift the momentum of the game, I wonder why people even bother complaining about them. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't like things that shift momentum or turn the tables on you, you're playing the wrong game because this game seems to be built on a foundation of mechanics that are designed specifically to cock-block your opponant.

NOED is just one in a long list of things that do this - and it's completely counterable.

People just need to do that counter and get the hell over it.

I completely disagree with totems being a waste of time as an argument on why NOED needs to be changed or removed.

To complain about noed and complain about it being a "Waste of time"... I just... I don't honestly get that lol.... it is NOT a waste of time... going to cleanse it... sure there is a risk... they might not have it.. so what? You still DID NOT get NOED... Isn't that the point? Because you don't want to get NOED? Like what matters more to you? Your "time" or getting hit with NOED? Make your choice. Because if you want to argue about wasting time at a video game... I don't know what to tell ya there.

Behavior gave us more points to cleanse, as well as a free heal as an incentive to cleanse totems. I think they are trying to tell us something.... I don't know if I see a connection.

What could it be.. :think:

As one who solos 99% of his survivor games, I think you have a very distorted view of what's unfair.

FFS man, I see 2 or 3 totems WITHOUT LOOKING every damn match. Are people playing blindfolded or something? How hard is it to look around?

Imagine thinking OoO required no skills. Reveal your location without skills in looping and routing. See how long it takes till you get sacrificed.

@FrenziedRoach Why are you being so aggressive. I asked for insight for a reason, not to be attacked.. do you know what insight means? Not every person on forums is being one-sided so please stop addressing me like that. I like to discuss with respect and understanding. If you can't agree to the terms of that then please don't quote me. I also solo so I'm just speaking off of what happens with my games in Purple Ranks.

You didn't ask for insight or reason, you stated straight up that you thought it was unfair to solo survivors and I posted my counterpoint then made a general remark about people being blind

if you felt I was attacking you personally, that's on you.

This whole thematic about "x perk is op it needs to be nerfed" is kinda boring.

Yea, Noed is unfair in a way. But on some killers i play around that perk, because i have no gen pressure. (Trapper, Ghostface).

Yea, Decisive Strike is unfair. Oh, you want to kill me? NOPE! It gives survivor one free escape after being hooked. It helps against tunneling, but its also a little bit unfair to the killer doing his job. We already got the nerf that we cant stay near hook. (we loose points for that) Also, every freaking survivor can stun you at least one time in the game just with a perk. [My oppinion on Decisive Strike is, that it shouldnt be a perk, it should be an item.]

Yea, Survive with friends is kinda unfair. You have ez talking with others, normal people dont have this. So kindred helps with that (somehow). So, its also an unfair like perk.

Balanced landing is unfair and for me doesnt make any sense on survivor AND killer site. What the hell should someone begin to run after he droppes a huge place? Reducing the "stun" from jumping, fine. After that, begining to run like a maniac doesnt make any sense. (At it somehow nerf's Sprint Burst). My opinion on that is, that Balanced Landing should JUST reduce the stun from jumping and remove the sprint burst effect or maybe on a slower pace.

Lithe on other hand makes sense survivor wise. I trained to jump over an obstacle fast and then run a little faster, using the energy of the object. It would make sense to give a little sprint burst to it, but not as long as the normal sprint burst.

These two perks just doesnt make a sense at all to me. They should be balanced more. Lithe reducing the sprint burst duration and balanced landing either completly remove the sprint burst aspect or giving it the "dead hard" effect after landing.

There are several perks for survivor that doesnt make sense to be a perk thing. And also several killer perks that doesnt make a sense for me to be perks. It should be an addon in some kind.

If i could change one big thing on the survivor AND killer site: Remove some perks and shift them to items or addons. Or maybe even some on Offerings (to enhance the team based tactics on some aspects)

And i would make killer a little bit more stronger, to give them each their own stats. Make some killers standard faster and some maybe slower. Change the speed on how much left from the power you have, make EVERY addon positive AND negative (some can stay JUST positive) and things like that.

How is not making injured noises, crawling faster, dodging one attack, not exploding a gen when failing a skill check a reward for failing?

Stop assuming what other people think without asking them? I didn't say or think that ALL survivors want easy matches and easy escapes. You are putting words in my mouth. A lot of the arguments I read are just "entitlement", that is the opinion I expressed.

And It is not ENTITLED to say cleanse the totems. I already expressed above what entitlement, there are some people out there that feel like they have a right to not be hit with NOED or they deserve not to etc..... that's not the case...

Also, that is literally what the dev's say, and that is the direct COUNTER to it... Lol. And honestly, I am speaking as an apparent "entitled" survivor btw. When I say cleanse the totems. Because it is really easy.... I do it often... I don't complain...

Look I used to think that way.. "remove noed or nerf it its too strong. etc etc".. I learned more now.. Totems are easy to find after doing them for so long now. It's just... It really is simple. It's not a complicated thing. And I don't know why people are complicating it. But to make arguments that basically are saying, hey do this because I don't like it or I don't want to... it's just... meh to me. Like you can make them, but I won't change my opinion because of those.

Edit: I also didn't say just cleanse them. I've said if you don't want to, Just LOOK around... and you can cleanse it when you realize they have it....(which is another thing that I do...) /shrug

I would argue that we never needed any NOED posts to begin with. The perk serves an important purpose in the game. To give survivors motivation to do something besides generators. If you don't cleanse totems then you deserve to be one shotted.

You said "they" don't want to do anything. I understand that as all survivors, if you didn't mean that then I'm sorry I misunderstood.

Yes, cleansing totems is easy. You find them and hold m1. I'm saying that you just don't have time when going against nurses and spirits.

No problem. I meant as in the people I've read. I never generalize everyone or try to, there will always be exceptions to stuff. I think I read that from someone else tho.

But like you said about adrenaline. I mostly compare NOED with adrenaline, and the two seem to help balance each other out. Obviously the argument for adren, is the killer can't stop it, like survivors can stop NOED.

Against nurse and spirit, they are very good killers if played right. In my personal experience, for nurses especially, if they are using NOED, they are for a lack of a better word, boosted. And you have time to cleanse. If you have a teammate that can do long chases and stuff that helps with creating the extra time. I mean it's not always easy and not going to be completely easy. I know lately, especially with Inner Strength I have trouble just getting my perk to even proc lol. Like I seriously cannot find a totem (like I see the corpse of where it was). They all get cleansed too soon lol. But yeah, I just faced a mori spirit today, she just insta killed everyone. Didn't need to worry about noed... I guess... So there's that... lmao. And against nurse, Inner strength I think is great, because of the nurses calling counter.

Most my games, if the killer is using NOED, there is time to check on totems. If NOT, at the very least I check where totems could be, so I could cleanse it then.

And another thing about the time, I thought I heard someone say self care is the same or even longer than doing a dull totem and getting into a locker. There are lots of time people are "wasting" self-caring when they could work on a gen and probably have one finished... Just saying, that is something to think about. How you delegate your time in total then, like are you on a gen or just hiding ? etc. (And anyone personally I'm saying people in general.)

I just personally feel, and as they both are situational perks, that there doesn't need to be a change. And after playing so long, it doesn't seem like a big thing. It can be kind of funny when it comes outta nowhere and you least expect it. Idk. I just have fun with whatever happens.

That's just my 2cents.

No One Escapes Death doesn't bother me, especially when I don't heal.

I think the perk is pretty balanced. :)

No One Escapes Death also provides a speed boost, right? I can't remember if it did or if it was removed. :(

Ah, thank you! :D

There should be more perks like NOED!

LOL. You're not wrong. LOL