A fast and dirty fix to SWF

There is no "easy fix" for SWF.

I do not want SWF to be removed because while there are many sweaty and toxic teams out there we also have many casual friends who play together. With that being said though SWF even on a casual base does provide a far superior advantage than running solo.

It would be unfair to punish people for wanting to play with a friend (this is why a separate queue would not work).

Its unfair to expect a killer to take on this disadvantage as we have it now (this is why lobby dodging cannot be punished).

No matter what BHVR does to tackle this problem it won't be quick and it sure as hell won't be easy.

This. A better solution would simply be too have two seperate modes for Quick Match and Ranked. Have 3-4 man SWF in quick match, and only have 2 man SWF in Ranked. That way the gap between solo and SWF is a lot closer then with 4 man SWF.

making kindred baseline would be useful imo then solo players dont need to "communicate" and you don't have 3 people all running at a hook like dingbats can even hide someone in a chase to make it a little more fair to the killer

This is by far one of the worst suggestions I've seen. Most killers would obviously disable this and survivors just arent going to want to play without their friends. Queue times would just skyrocket and games would take even longer to find matches!

The real solution is this. Leave things as is but give a postgame bloodpoint bonus to killers.

4 man squad - 100% bonus

3 man 1 solo - 75%

2 different 2 man squads - 50%

2 man squad and 2 solos - 25%

There. Problem solved.

Fair enough, I find that if someone in my random solo queue lobby takes initiative and gets all 4 people with mics into a chat it makes the game about 10x easier. Simply being able to say the "killer is over here," or "ruin is here, killer is chasing me off of it." Adds a lot of power to the survivor side even without coordinating perks or items.

I assume the easiest thing to do is to nerf survivors, the point is to create a point to balance the game around. Right now the devs are in a pickle, if you balance around swf, solo survivor gets screwed. If you balance around solo, then the game is easier for swf. The point is to bring swf and solo closer together so that better balance can be achieved. It would effectively be the survivor equivalent to what BHVR is doing on the killer side, buffing freddy and nerfing nurse has brought the extreme ends of the power scale of killers closer together. Hopefully they will continue buffing the weaker killers so that a baseline for balance can be established. Having a wide valley of power and communication between solo survivor and swf creates the same problems as having a wide valley of power between the best and worst killers.

Okay, You obviously dont know coding much but let me explain it to you like this.

For that to even be possible you need to account for:

1.How many people are in a group

2.How many groups there are in a lobby

3.Figuring out a percentage for each group of 2,3,4 respectively

4.Making sure it doesnt overlap with solo

5.If group 1 is doing a gen, reduce speed by percentage

6.If group 1 is doing a gen with a solo, reduce speed by a percentage without overlapping with a solo

7.If group 1 and group 2 are doing a gen, reduce speed by a percentage without overlapping with one another

8.If one player disconnects from group 1, increase repair speed

9. For groups with a DC, repeat steps 1-8

10. If all but 1 member of group 1, return to base speed.

I could keep going by the way. In what way is this easy again? This is literally code hell. The amount of math here is enough to make a damnn new character.

Again, this could present a lot more issues than give an actual solution. If you're looking for a free ticket against people who can communicate, this is not the game for you. You want advice? Be less predictable. The more SWF have to catch up with callouts the easier it is for you to dominate the game. You wanna slow the game down as much as possible? Ruin, Dying Light, Thanatophobia, pop goes the weasel. Have fun.

As for OP, I have no problems with Legion as red ranks in console. I think it's a matter of how well you understand the killer you play and what you can do with it by thinking outside the box.

And then every killer turns it off, leaving swf with astronomical wait times.

Lol assuming my English comprehension is somehow less than yours.

You would have seen that I am merely pointing out that Making the sort of change you're suggesting (which is unlikely) is code hell. A better suggestion as someone prior to me said, a quick play/ ranked feature limiting swf is probably the best way to tackle swf.

I am insisting you don't understand CODING. You pretty much dumbed down what I said and said it yourself as simple as it can get. But the workload, is not. I am in no way stating swf is unhindered. I gave temporary solutions, not fixes, not excuses.

I considered what you said, and the idea is absolutely ridiculous. Why should you punish players for playing casually with their friends? What your idea does is encourage lobby dodging, increasing queue times by a metric ton.

You're talking to me about understanding a subject without having a concept of pros and cons for the same subject you're trying to push on me.

Sure, the devs could add this in... Buuut...

What you should have in your train of thought is "how can this go wrong" instead of "this should be good". Which is why I think the devs are doing a decent job with the recent patches, because they have the right mindset.

killers don't need any more bloodpoints than the ridiculous amount they already get.

No coding or math needed?

Now this is just overkill monsieur.

I believe the salad needs sel... not sucre.

Either way, you know that isn't true at all.

If you want to make a SWF tax (and I like this concept btw), I say tax their loadout.

swf 2: each of those 2 players loses the ability to choose add-ons for their items.

swf 3: in addition to no add-ons, each swf player has 1 perk slot grayed out.

swf 4: no add-ons and 2 perk slots grayed out.

This seems fair to me since the extremely common com usage in SWF makes up for missing perks. The lack of add-ons can help make up for coordinated pre-game planning (ie “you use Leader and I’ll bring a toolbox with high efficiency and BNP”)

Doesn't have to explicitly be direct buffs to killers, but things like more map reworks and second objectives would alone go a long way to give killers more time to work with. And for many of the weaker killers there's plenty of good, simple ideas that would help them a fair bit. Like Leatherface moving faster while revving his chainsaw up, Trapper starting with some level of bag addon, placement speed addon and perhaps make traps harder to escape from as base kit, doc getting more shock range in base kit, that sort of thing. There's good ideas floating around for killers like Legion that I've forgotten at the moment too. And I mean this in general, not only vs SWF.

Honestly surprised there hasn't been any of the usual responses to this statement in this thread where someone quotes you and goes "Good :)" while completely missing the fact that their own wait times would go up as well 😄

It's totally true that it'll take ages to see lots of buffs like that and map changes, yeah.

It's just that debuffs/nerfs specifically targetting parties can be circumvented by people queue-sniping eachother as "solos", just like people did before SWF was added. It's easily circumvented by any group that is rank-wise and geographically close to eachother.

And there's no real way to prevent this behavior outside of making lobby dodging punishable, which would arguably hurt killers more. Just because they're not SWF, 4 solo survivors you know are highly competent all bringing pimped out toolboxes and one of them burning a Haddonfield offering every time you play against them doesn't sound like a good time, for example.

I am Rank 4 and my friends are ranked 16-20 there is already a huge disadvantage, most games they score low and never escape. I am only 1 person and I am basically forced to 1v1 the killer every game. In most scenarios the killers get the 4k with plenty of BP. It's not really a "fight" is it, most of them cant even manage 1 loop, lets be realistic SWF is heavily sided for killers now apart from when you have the try hard all red rank SWF groups which are a lot less common than you think

I think this would be interesting but instead of it being based on swf, it's based on the surv themselves. If you have a 2 swf, then both players just get a certain percentage of repairing speed taken down, which would counteract if it's 2 swf