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How good is Freddy?
I think by now Freddy is the one of the best killers in the game, he simply got all important powers of other good m1 killer's, he got map pressure, loop counters, mindgame potential, and stealth potential. Is Freddy is number 5 in killer tier list? In my opinion - yes, what is yours?
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sharp hand joe pretty good
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He is definitely in my top 5 list. BHVR really did a good job with the rework.
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- Nurse
- Spirit
- Billy
- Hag
- Huntress
- Plague
- Demogorgon
- Freddy
He is between 6-8 for me. I feel as though the top 5 are undeniable. Plague, Demo, and Freddy are interchangeable to me. I just have more experience with Plague so I put her above the other two :/
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So.. is there any tips for playing plague?
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Huntress undeniably top 5 ? She gets rekt by 80% of the maps. Good survivors can easily turn her in a 110% speed killer without a power on anything but Blood Lodge.
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I recommend running save the best for last and thanophobia, don’t just vomit to broken unless you can get away with it. Example would be survivor is trapped, I recommend hitting them down then throwing up on them or get them sick (not broken) first then hit. Plague isn’t top tier but she can def be fun
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yeah it's fun to vomit on people~
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Freddy is really good right now.
Gen teleport is very good and synergy with a lot of perks.
Snares are a little bit overrated, but they can still do a lot of work for you.
Pallets seems to be easy to counter, but they also can do work.
His non directional Lullaby makes him pretty stealthy and you can get free hits on sleeping survivors because of it.
Counter to BT added to his base kit.
So probably 5th place after Nurse/Spirit/Hag/Hillbilly ( however, I think Plague or Demogorgon might be better than him, but I am not sure yet )
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What stealth potential does Freddy have? Did I miss something?
What makes Freddy good IMO is teleport (which gives map pressure) and his slowdown addons to slow the game down.
To be honest I like the new Freddy more, both as killer and as survivor.
The only thing I don't like about Freddy is my computer can't handle him; Dreamworld severely reduced my framerates.
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Plague is highly underrated as if you cleanse you’re screwed and if you don’t cleanse you’re screwed. You’re either permanently injured or she has a ranged attack which is pretty easy to hit.
Most of the time you don’t wanna waste time breaking survivors, you wanna let them get passively sick over time. She’s just so great at slowing down the game, she also doesn’t exactly have a bad map for her.
My main build on her is Ruin, BBQ, Thantaphobia, and Monitor and Abuse. Dying Light also works well to immensely slow down the game. To be honest @DudeDelicious can probably tell you more. They’re a great Plague main.
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So are we just gonna pretend that a GOOD Huntress doesn’t exist? Players like Umbra and Scott can do well on pretty much any map as Huntress.
Yeah she’s got A LOT of bad maps for her, almost as if the devs just forget about Huntress.
Her power is super strong in the right hands and most experienced Huntress players know what they can and cannot throw over.
I still don’t think Freddy is better than a good Huntress player.
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Scott and Umbra, the ones who constantly DC on maps like Haddonfield, The Game, Lery's, possible even Hawkins now and who are willing to DC even on maps like Coldwind Farm, Family Residence or Mount Ormond. I don't care about how strong her power is when I can literally loop her for whole minutes on certain buildings like Wretched Shop or Groaning Storehouse. A killer which literally isn't allowed to play on certain maps isn't top 5 IMO.
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Nah hes more like 4th place on that tier list
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I could understand if you’d put him above Plague, Huntress, and Demo but Freddy is nowhere near Hag. Hag is easily #3 or #4.
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Haddonfield has literal infinities for ALL killers except Nurse and Spirit.
Hawkins is a congested indoor map. Yeah...it’s bad for Huntress.
They don’t DC on The Game because it’s bad for Huntress but because it is a very boring map. It’s pallet kicking simulator.
I have never seen either one DC on Coldwind Farm.
I’m not gonna deny the fact that she can get looped on certain maps and tiles. She can feel powerless at times.
She did get a slight buff though because she now had a directional lullaby.
Huntress at her very strongest is easily better than Freddy. Freddy has more consistency though. Huntress has flaws but a good Huntress is scary and her at her strongest has more potential than Freddy does IMO. Agree to disagree on that.
However I suck at Huntress and I do not main either Huntress or Freddy. I find Freddy a bit boring and I do not like the layout of the dream world.
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Somebody should say it to you
Basic Freddy < Skilled huntress
Skilled Freddy >> Skilled Huntress
Freddy is doing well on every map, he is treath for other players, he got a lot more potential.
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Consistency is a big deal on tier lists in general. Especially personal lists so i can see your point but at the same time its a pretty hard thing to rank. If a killer is basicaly deemed to lose due to getting unlucky with 1/3 of the maps i generally would stray away from said killer. Kinda why leatherface is pretty low on most people lists. His power is virtually useless if the survivors are not out of position. Not saying huntress is bad but she gets limited depending on the map.
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Also realistically speaking here, how much maps are out there that huntress can show 100% of her power. And how much limit her?
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You reeeeeally think a Skilled Freddy is better than a Skilled Huntress? Yeah we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.
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"We"? Guess you never played against good Freddy's (Since after rework many old Freddy's main left him behind) Skilled Freddy is way bigger treat, he easily got better mindgames, map pressure, stealth potential, and just slowing game down with microsleeps.
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MacMillan- They’re good
Autohaven- Her best maps
Coldwind- Not great
Asylum- Father Campbell's Chapel is perfect. Disturbed Ward is decent except the middle building.
Haddonfield- Is that a question?
Swamp- Pale Rose is fine, Grim Pantry is bad.
Treatment Theater- Terrible
Red Forest- They aren’t bad, but they’re too big for Huntress to apply pressure.
Badham- Pretty decent
The Game- Not the worst but it is still bad
Yamaoka- Terrible
Ormond- Terrible
Hawkins- Literally the worst
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@yandere777 Of course she’s limited due to maps...that’s well known. It’s just that I’ve seen a lot of Huntress players do well on her bad maps despite them being pretty bad for her.
Again...I’m not a Huntress main though.
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I said they were willing to DC on these maps, not that they DC. I heard Scott a lot of times saying that he would DC on "insert map" if he wouldn't do it so many times already and I saw Umbra completely getting butchered on Coldwind Farm and saying "this was Torment Creek bro, what did you expect".
I didn't see a single Freddy DCing on The Game because it was an "unfun map".
And you don't understand my point. It doesn't matter that Huntress is better at her very strongest when she can get to that point only on a very few maps, while Freddy and even Plague and Demogorgon are much more consistent than her. She relies too much on maps RNG and on maps offerings from both sides and the simple fact that 2000 hours mains Huntresses are gonna DC on certain maps, because of how trash she is on them, show that she is just too inconsistent to be worth of top 5 anymore, especially when they keep adding bad maps for her. Literally every map released after Father's Campbell is a garbage one for Huntress.
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Eh agree to disagree
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You know that Scott DC’s on The Game regardless of the killer right? It isn’t just Huntress.
Huntress IS inconsistent but are you trying to say Plague is better than Huntress because she has more consistent maps? I would say Plague is one of my main killers I play. She is similar to Huntress but she’s not BETTER than Huntress. In that case I can make an argument that Plague is better than Freddy.
Also I do tend to say that to myself with certain maps. “It’s Ormond and I’m playing Leatherface...what do I really expect to happen.” Some killers just can’t do well on certain maps without playing a bit more aggressive and sometimes even then they can’t win against a really good team.
You can agree to disagree but Freddy can still get demolished by a good team just like Huntress can.
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Nothing Freddy does is “skilled”. If you can moonwalk at pallets and set traps/fake pallets then you can do fine. It’s basically the question of “Are you a good killer” not “Are you a skilled Freddy.”
Huntress requires much more skill than Freddy does. You can be a good killer but are you a good Huntress?
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Ugmh, uh, well yeah, good killer who using Freddy in right way is better than skilled huntress (not in terms of skill). Because, he's not required a lot of skill.
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I rate Freddy at #5 in my tier list as well.
I wish they'd rework some of his add-ons though. A lot of them are trash.
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I didn't see him DCing there with any other killer. Only with Huntress.
Yes, I say that Plague is better than Huntress. On a bad map Plague is still a 115% speed killer with really good tracking and slow down via perks. Huntress on a bad map is a 110% speed killer with a very situational or non existent power. Yes Plague will get looped on survivor sided map, but Huntress can literally be ran around for whole minutes on the buildings from half of the current maps, I didn't see a live stream from Scott or Umbra where they didn't talk about the "infinites" for Huntress. And no, I am not talking about the infinites from Haddonfied, I am talking about the infinites from half of the maps which only affect Huntress.
So you compare Huntress with Cannibal ? This won't help your arguments.
I don't understand your point, I mean, yes, Freddy can be demolished by a good team, every killer can, but that doesn't mean he is weaker than Huntress. I can say "Cannibal can get demolished by a good team, just like Hillbilly can, so Cannibal is just as good as him".
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Scott has DC’ed as many killers on The Game. His last game of the night on his last stream was him DC’ing as Demogorgon on The Game. I watch his streams. I’ve seen it multiple times.
You said that Umbra basically said she can’t do much because she was Torment Creek. What I said was TRYING to say is that some matches are already predetermined...like Leatherface on Ormond, I can’t do much there. I never compared Huntress and Leatherface skill wise my dude. I was only using Leatherface as an example of when you can’t do much if you get a specific map.
Huntress is map dependent, yes. Experienced Huntress players can STILL win on these maps. Of course you can’t use your power, some killers just can’t. You can’t use Billy’s chainsaw on all loops. You can’t vomit on survivors on some loops if they hug the loop.
Plague is not better than Huntress, period. I main Plague and I know she doesn’t have the potential Huntress has. It’s A LOT easier and less skillful to hit survivors with vomit that it is a hatchet.
I wouldn’t be opposed to any sort of Huntress buffs that would make her less map dependent though.
I’ve already stated what I wanted to. Believe what you want but I still believe Huntress is #5. Have your own opinion about it. I’ve already said my piece.
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So you Say that Huntress can be as helpless as Leatherface, good to know.
"Huntress potential" which means nothing when she can't do anything when survivors decides to abuse all the buildings where she gets infinited. I am not even talikng about loops Huntress can't counter ( which are many and Huntress is more affected by them because she is a 110% speed killer ), I am talking about all the buildings where she needs to give up the chase because she can't do literally nothing.
Being less skillfull doesn't mean weaker. Spirit is less skillfull than Huntress, is she weaker because of that ?
Experienced Huntress players show that they prefer to DC on these maps than at least trying to play on them, so I don't know why you keep saying that.
I saw experienced old Freddy players winning on Haddonfield, so does that really mean anything ?
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Hag loses to aggressive swf and huntress needs good map to do well. Freddy requires nothing so to me he is solid #4 killer.
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He's #3 after Spirit and Billy.
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Snares are powerful as fck if you know how to use em. If you just put them at the pallet, the survivor is just gonna toss the pallet...But if you know proper timing and placement, you can get a hit at most pallet loops. Maps with an overabundance of simple pallet loops like Bloodlodge is easy hits all day.
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My top 5 are:
1: Spirit (after Nurse nerf)
2: Nurse
3: Billy
4: Freddy
5: Huntress
Hag is not top 5 simply because she's so hard countered by flashlights. if flashlights didn't end her whole career she would be top 5.
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Becoming one of my favs- remember me, fired up, spies and bitter murmur have been doing me alright, and I've only just got him to lvl17 so far ^.^
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I still don't think they are as crazy powerful as some people like you make them out to be. They are just a better version of Clown gas, that's all. You still need to break pallets all day with Snares Freddy.
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If used at the wrong spots, yeah. If used correctly, you'll get hits before the pallets are ever thrown. Theres only ever a handful of actual SAFE pallets on any given map, every other pallet you can score a hit at
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Just know he's Top 5.
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