Balance Your game
The solo role, the killer, is supposed to be the power role, but time and again this is proven wrong in this game, and you devs refuse to do anything about it. The only reason people play your game is its the best option, despite its many game play flaws. And I mean MASSSIVE amounts of flaws, especially in map design. But the aesthetic is good and you continue to provide content. But the actual gameplay is really #########, especially for killer. I want to continue to play your game, but you make that really difficult by making most killers too weak to keep up with experinced survivors. I wish you would stop catering to only the majority, as especially in this case, the minority is necessary for this game to actually function. So please please please, buff so many of the killers so they are an actual threat, make survivors actually sweat like killers do (You always here sweaty killer thrown around derisvely, its weird you never hear it even come close to mentioned for survivors who try hard and play well.), so that this game is actually balanced.
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The balance is fine. If you don't have any power as killer it means you're just not playing good enough.
If your killer can't keep up with experienced survivors, it just means you're terribly inexperienced.
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You are the typical survivor main who thinks that if you are good enough you can beat a 4 swf of experienced players with freddy or trapper XD
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You can.
And you I suppose are the typical killer main who thinks he's experienced, but blames all his failures on the game rather his actual lack of skills.
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theres some killers that are weak like the plague clown and etc but theres some killers that are very good against survivor now its youre play style if you play a killer that you are really good at it you can get 4k ez now killers its ez on gameplays but some killers power are weak now its going in a right track and you need to think that this game cannot be balanced but also they cant buff too much killer or survivor if they do they can destroy the game if they do a wrong move
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the game is better balanced than it's ever been but that doesn't mean there aren't improvements to be made on both sides
the devs are obviously aware of this, based on their continued efforts to balance the game. listening to the community, especially veterans with a lot of hours, goes a long way to helping with overall balance. think the legion rework, or fixing coldwind tiles so the walls aren't see-through. attempts like these to make the game more serviceable to both sides indicate a genuine desire to balance it on the part of the devs
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Yes the game is unbalanced, but do you know how hard it is to balance a game of this type?
Its really difficult to balance it out
Balance is far from fine @Mochan, any killer can take down experienced survivors, even if they are terribly inexperienced, but clearly you don't understand as well, Freddy, experienced or not, struggles to hell to take down experienced survivors, even though he is experienced, believe me, I play mindgame Freddy extremely well and the rank 4's make me want to burn just like he did
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I wish you'd actually play some killer at any relevant rank whatsoever so you could come back here and apologize for how wrong you were. You shouldn't post things that you know nothing of.
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WOAH don't hate on my bois freddy and trapper bot of them can do damn well with someone who knows how to play them I have seen it.
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But as for the actual thread sadly the devs have no real plans to buff the weaker killers to any sort of power role level simply because they only want to make "fun" killers and if you want to get 4ks just play nurse and hillbilly. That is sadly their current mentality
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I play Nurse at high ranks and I'm not allowed to say all killers are balanced.
Lower tier killers need some Love.
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This has to be a bait post. Why does this community do nothing but whine and cry. For killers, let's just line the survivors up for you so u can get your 4 k every game, like fish in a barrel. Who needs challenge when we can just hand you everything you need, no skill required. And for the fewer whining survivors we can just hog tie the killers so that everyone can win ALL the time. No fun at all. Everyone needs to just relax start playing for fun again and quit taking everything so dang serious. It's just a GAME.
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Its a message board. What else do you do one a message board?
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Can you tell me how to apply pressure to 4 man SWFs with the amount of information they can give to one another?
"Killer is chasing me, work on gens"
"Killer is going to killer shack, stop working on that gen and hide"
"Oh killer is at shack? Im going to continue on my gen at x"
"Killer dropped chase on me, working on a gen but he was heading over to x so beware"
"I've opened the exit gate at x, where are you so I can body block?"
The amount of information you can give as a 4 man SWF is insane. If the group has half a brain and are trying to play seriously (as in not messing around with friends and doing memes) then it's not that difficult to repair gens by relaying information on the killers whereabouts or on what gen to repair.
On top of that, the killer can only chase one survivor at a time. If you force other survivors off gens, the other 3 will go to another gen to repair that whilst you chase the 4th one away.
Now if the team cannot relay information then hooking a survivor applies a lot of pressure because the other survivors will have no knowledge on who is going in for the save so multiple survivors will go off gens for the save however, if it's a SWF they can just say "I'm going for the save, keep repairing gens".
I'm not saying every single game is like this and I do play SWFs myself for a bit of fun but I must say that the game isn't balanced.
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I disagree with this, there are some horrible maps out there such as haddonfield, disturbed ward, ormond, temple of purgation, etc... This is why I'm excited to see what they have ready for the map rework they will be talking about on the anniversary stream.
What you don't realize is that there is a specific playstyle that is incredibly unfun that denies a majority of the killers in the game their power (the exceptions being Nurse, Billy, Spirit, Hag & Huntress) by never healing and only ever doing generators to pop adrenaline and escape causing some games to go by very quickly which is worsened by bad maps.
Because of this some killers are flawed and here are some examples of that;
- Some killers are flawed in the sense of luck such as in the case of Trapper & Pig.
- Some killers are flawed in the sense that never healing denies full & proper use of their power such as in the case of Legion & Plague.
- Some killers only have a power that focuses on one aspect of the game such as Clown who has a chase power that doesn't do its job well enough on some maps and also doesn't focus on other parts of the game like applying pressure.
- Some killers are fine with addons but struggle heavily without them such as Wraith.
- Lastly, some killers are just really bad like Cannibal who barely gets to use their power unless the survivor makes a heavy mistake.
Ignoring this and only looking at the 5 killers who are in a great state means you ultimately ignore the fundamental issues the other killers heavily struggle to put up with.
Edit : I've even heard plenty of experienced streamers in the game say that there are simply just some matches you will lose. There are simply some matches you will lose whether or not that reason is out of your hands or due to basic mistakes, that does not mean however that we shouldn't look to help fix these problems to better improve the game for both sides.
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to be fair it was probably a poor idea to nerf healing and then release two killers whose powers predicated on survivors being healthy (although in plague's case it's less about healing and more about interacting with fountains), on top of the fact that many legion players run sloppy butcher for some reason, further discouraging people from wasting time healing
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I literally said I want balanced and survivors to sweat, I said nothing about need a free 4k. I just want things to be as close to even as we can be. And I feel like many killers need buffs to get there right now, especially with how bad map design is; as over 90% of the maps favor survivors.
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I'd like to chime in here. I'm still quite new to the game, even though I've owned the game on console for awhile now. I use to love this game and killers (that are not good) have ruined this game for the survivors. Being a survivor was all about stealth. But with all the killer buffs to detect survivors has caused our play style to adapt. More commonly know as GEN rushing! So here comes ruin for the killers. It is quite sad that if a good killer sees you your dead no way out it, but a bad killer will get juked, and looped. Here comes the complaining instead of learning what a short route is, and knowing how to get a survivor to go to one. So now there is less pallets in the game.
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It's painfully obvious that Spirit and Nurse are the best 2 killers in the game, and every other killer is lack luster at red ranks. You're naive. Or a survivor main.
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Almost everywhere I see you, you are putting down Killers. Why?
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I see that they are banned but I just wanna add this cause they mentioned the Legion rework
*Cries in Legion main*
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I agree! Let's have FUN with the GAME! People get so bent outta shape!
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Give good and constructive feedback?
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Yeah.... as a Legion main this hit really close to home. Some maps are impossible to catch up with, EVEN WITH FF!
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the balance is not fine
right now the balance is in heavy favor of survivors, with how quick gens get done, un mindgame able pallets, and other KEY things like TERRIBLE map design for most of the maps. making it hard to NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to establish enough map pressure to slow down the gens enough to have a chance
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Unless you spent hundreds of hours mastering every single killer in the game, you won't stand a chance against optimal survivors in red ranks as someone like Legion, Wraith, or Bubba.
OP is kinda rambling, but his point does stand that the game is very unbalanced when it comes too killer strength. Weak killers need buffs, but they can still also be good for new players too learn. I don't know why someone like Wraith can't be both.
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Nice bait man
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Nah they won't do that at least in any reasonable form.
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The balance could be fine if it wasn't so easy to rank up and down (survivors deranking to win more games). I'm not a great killer, I don't play top tier ones or get 4ks. Yet, I'm still ranking up and going against rank 4 and 5 (I'm 10) and clearly better survivors. The higher I go, the less fun it is as killer. Not because I'm losing, but because survivors have all the tools.
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*cries in Legion main* You right though
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Survivors can make mistakes over, and over again. It is not nearly as stressful as Killer unless you're facing a Nurse, spirit, or billy usually. Sometimes op add ons too.
Killers make 1 mistake, and that can cost them the whole game. This is not the case for survivors. That is not fair.
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You should use Legion or Bubba for that argument, because Trapper and Freddy are both decent killers.
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This is the main point. This right here. This game is certainly survivor balanced, not because they were weak to begin with, but because it's always been that way. And survivor mains think that's fine...
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It is so clear that the issue isn't killers being weak, but rather many maps are just horrible. Apart from some of the lowest tier killers getting some QOL changes, currently any killer can go up against the best survivors and do well if the killer is also the best and the map is good. Unfortunately there are too many killers who think "every killer should be at nurse's level!" Nonsense. You want your power role? Go play Friday the 13th.
When I get Haddonfield as Huntress I don't think "damn, killers are so weak!" I think "this map is terrible." I can beat the best survivors on a good map, and I'm lucky to get 1 kill against those same survivors on Haddonfield.
All you people asking for killer buffs...get your priorities straight. A huge map rework would be the biggest killer buff you could get. On smaller maps as any killer you can break chases and apply pressure and control the game. On bigger maps if you break chases you basically lose if the survivors know what they are doing.
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Theoretically, you are correct. Fundamentally, however, the mechanics are heavily in survivor favor. You can't deny that.
Then survivors complain on forums about nurse and spirit... then nerf Nurse... when other killers need buffs first. Make all killers viable, then start nerfing if it's over the top.
Red ranks are just going to be spirits and billies at this rate, and I don't think red rank survivors will like that very much. Or, there won't be any killers, and you'll wonder, "What happened to all the killers at high ranks?", not realizing you were what killed off the killers there.
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Not everyone is happy with the state of the game. Not everyone thinks like the straw-man argument you've constructed. Stating that anyone who has a gripe with certain things (like core design) is just complaining is unproductive. Now, he didn't mention any ways to help with that, but gave lots of opinion, some good, some not so, but I don't think this poster has any mal-intent with this thread.
Not like the survivors who wanted Nurse nerfed and actually got her nerfed.
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