Nurse got nerfed on 7 DIFFERENT ASPECTS
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You can see the nurse earlier than before now. If that was a point needed to be" fixed" or not is not part of the discussion in the first place. It's a point I have listed in the count of nerfs she got. If you look at single point individually you will not have the same picture as when you look at all nerfs together.
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This was not an optimal team then. Either you never versed some REAL optimal teams before so you don't have a reference or you simply don't know what optimal is.
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Nurse wasn't common either. So why touching her?
I'm order to balance a game you don't look at what is common or not. You look at what is POSSIBLE on the highest play level. If you can't see the logic behind that I Really don't know where to start to discuss with you. However, little example:
Imagine there is an EXTREMELY rare addon which causes the killer to not be able to move for 5 minutes. But it's not common. Is it alright to stay in the game "cuz not common"?
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If we balance the game towards a small percantage of the entire playerbase then solos will suffer. If this was a competitive game then it would have made sense but it isn't and will never be unless major changes happen.
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Solos wouldn't suffer if the devs finally would start to close the gap with simple stuff like a totem counter, showing who is getting chased, eventually kindred basekit etc.
Your point isn't valid because it's a different issue devs need to address.
Also, I can flip your point: "why touching nurse then? It's not a competetive game, Nurse was played and mastered by just a small percentage etc..."
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Many problems of this game can't be fixed until the devs close the gap like you said. There is no way to make both sides happy until this happens.
In the game's current state I feel like the nurse changes are "better" for the game. I think they went a bit far with the changes too, I would be fine with it if they made her fatigue slightly longer but these changes are definitely better than the old version.
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Given the amount of complaining from killers about swf, you'd swear they were facing them every match.
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So it's really one or two things, and your dozens different ways to state them.
Got it.
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Who are the majority?
Also... Why does BHVR need to give a statement when they revert the changes back? Wouldn't just the act of reverting the Nurse back be enough? They need to do a statement about it aswell?
Maybe they could just put out a statement, if they are not going to revert it back?
Or maybe... They can put out no statement.... Or.... Maybe...
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Technically they did put out a statement... They put one out about the changes... and they show they care by allowing you to test it on the PTB to provide feedback.
Did you provide your feedback?
Now you just have to wait and see what happens... When the PTB goes live next week.
giggles!
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Let me stop you right there.
You can't get carried by Nurse. You need to know how, when, and where to blink or you're going to miss and constantly watch them run away just out of your fatigue sight.
Getting carried would mean you didn't put in skill proportionate to the reward. You will NEVER get that on Nurse unless the survivors are actual potatoes and run into you after every blink.
In fact, survivors skill proportionate to their reward is a complete joke. Solo survivors don't have fun because they can't coordinate and make many mistakes as a group, and SWF groups are incredibly strong and game-breaking on every killer but S-tier killers, and even then you still need to be good at the killer to stand a chance.
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Nurse wasn't common? Try telling that to the players in the Asian region. Japanese players are known for their love of Nurse. If you go up against a Japanese killer there is a very good chance it is a nurse. There are lots of good nurses in this region. MUCH more common than the super sweaty SWF that people seem to think are running wild in every game.
Last time stats were released it was only 5 percent of games are 4-man SWF (how many of those are super try-hard sweaty SWFs, I wonder? Probably a much smaller number than you think).
How about nurses in red rank games. Pretty sure it was 25 percent. Definitely not all of those are great nurses, but I would wager a guess that the number is much higher than the above-mentioned super sweaty SWF groups.
So no, if we are talking about frequency then nurse is much more common.
If we are talking about strength, then nurse is stronger, too. A basekit nurse without addons can beat any solo team of survivors if that nurse plays to a certain level. It is absurd that is possible. And if you don't believe this, you are lying to yourself.
As for SWF, a basekit nurse can challenge, and even beat a good SWF team. With the strong addons a nurse can win EVERY game against even the best survivors. if you add moris into the equation then a nurse will literally never lose a game if the player doesn't want to. Ever. The only exception are if one of the several bad maps comes up. But that has nothing to do with nurse, and everything to do with how bad some maps are. Again, absolutely absurd.
And after this insta-heal nerf (which is a good change, although I think the purple one should be made even weaker), those super sweaty SWF teams got hard nerfed.
Look, I appreciate nurse is your favorite killer, but she is an overpowered relic who was created when survivors had the ability to do literal infinites. She doesn't need to be so strong that she destroys every solo squad and most SWF groups if she simply plays well. Especially with the insta-heal changes, her power can reliably be reduced (like they are planning to do), and good nurses will still win basically all solo games because her power is absurd. Only super sweaty SWF will give a God nurse problems...and isn't that what we want? Remember, the balance ideal is 2 kills 2 escapes.
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Most people never face rank 1 SWFs.
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Sounds like Scott Steiner math.
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This comment was the literal equivalent of a killer main Reeeeeeeeing. Or more akin to a temper tantrum. Chill
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Nurse deserves what's coming to her.
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Japan =/= world
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You don’t play killer you say this but realistically you play rank 15 killer. Lying on a forum lmao
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You're mistaken if you believe I care enough about Nurse to make a poll. If you have the time to sit in here making posts and polls in an attempt to revert the changes, have at it.
I only cared to comment because you were fabricating numbers you want to believe are applicable to the entire playerbase.
IMO, if a majority of people cared about the Nurse changes they would of spent the time voting in your poll. I've seen bait posts take off with more activity than your poll post, which is kinda sad. At least to me that shows a majority in these forums want to argue instead of have factual discussions. This is exactly why I would take any poll done here with a grain of salt, but that's just me. You're all welcome to your own opinions.
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Yet you keep discussing like a marathon champion lol yeah you obviously don't care.
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People do silly things while bored at work on their phones, but you have me confused if you think I care as much as you. I cared enough to reply to your silly comments out of boredom. "Majority"
If your gonna quote me you're dam right I'm gonna respond? But it's not gonna be in 2 min like you. Iets just argue it up some more, because that's gonna totally help your cause to get the changes reverted =)
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I dont even need to tell you how wrong you are right? A single nerf impact different things and the devs didn't intend to make the servers buggy, you are just crying that nurse isnt a free win anymore
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I'm scared ;-;
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There are people who think that Nurse still needs more nerfs, even if she probably lost her place on S tier, so idk what to say.
At least they nerfed Instant Heals too, so the game can be a little bit healthier now without old Omega Blink and old Instant Heals.
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She needed the nerf. Any character in any game that is granted their own tier should be brought down a few notches.
The previous Nurse with NO ADD ONS was better than every other killer with their best add ons equipped. Depending on the skill level of the Nurse, I've seen Nurses go with NO PERKS and NO ADD ONS and still get a 4k. Yes, base kit needed a nerf also because she was an OP character. I don't like using the word OP to describe things, but it accurately applied to her pre-nerf in the right hands
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And survivors had the potential to be in a tier of their own far above the nurse. This nerf unjustly penalizes those that were good with nurse and secures an ez escape for a 4 man SWF. By your logic, it's time to penalize survivors that are good by increasing gen times.
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Spare me this argument, it just makes you look silly to me. I have more than 2500 hours, I have all the references I need and I know how to recognize a good swf team.
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Thank ya
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Killers shouldn't be addon depended in the first place.
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I have 3.2k hours. So spare me this argument.
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This doesn't make any sense. If you can't engage in a proper argument without trying to belittle the other side there's no point in discussing with you.
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Nurse got nerfed. Whether or not her basekit needed to be nerfed, I couldn't rightfully say. But, I don't think adding a cool down was the right way to go about it.
The cool down mechanic isn't fun, and whatever sound notification they use to indicate a blink has recharged is going to get really annoying really fast.
They could have slightly increased fatigue, slightly reduced her range. Giving her a power bar so that now she needs to recharge? That's not fun. Whatever a video game should be, it should be fun.
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Literally what i said in my review. Revert her basekit.
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Here, let's go read a book while they fight.
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"Getting carried would mean you didn't put in skill proportionate to the reward."
Proportionate being the operative word here.
Nurse does take a lot of skill to play well, but the reward for playing Nurse well still far exceeds the skill it takes.
Being the highest skill cap killer does not justify something being an almost guaranteed win just for practicing it.
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You act like those god nurses are common, which they aren't. Balancing nurse around them is a stupid idea.
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"Spare me this argument, it just makes you look silly to me. I have more than 2500 hours, I have all the references I need and I know how to recognize a good swf team."
His comment.
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You don't have to be a god nurse to get easy kills. She actually has a good skill cap now with the changes.
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I'm a killer main and I call the same.
You guys only play one side and rely on the easiest broken character in the game (spirit).
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Haha are you joking? Killer players aren't allowed to have an opinion that a certain killer is too strong?
Not all of us approach a game by just finding the most broken thing and spamming it. I play mostly M1 killers, and when I do play survivor and get to high ranks, the amount of Nurses is just gross. It's also annoying to try to watch streamers because it's always the same 3 things.
Nurse has been blatantly broken for years now, and it doesn't take being a survivor main to want some semblance of balance brought to the game.
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😂 pretty much
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Also I’m on the side of buffing other lower tier killers first rather than needing the “ big three” .Survivors wouldn’t play against them so much if they made other killers red rank viable.
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Everyone on here should know by now that I main killer. I agree with the Nurse nerfs. One of the reasons I don't like to play her is she is easy mode. Very few survivors can counter her and most of those are rank 1.
As for her addons, I think they are collectively better as you can now make varying builds concerning her recovery speed. Her map pressure is still better than most killers and she is still hard to loop.
Enough crying already. Nurse needed this.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the reason killers can't have nice things.
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artificial weaknesses aren't a skillcap
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Bad killers being carried by her is 100% true whether you like it or not.
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Having almost no punishment for missing your attacks on a killer who ignores every game mechanic is not a good skill cap either.
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OP where are you pulling this "Majority" from? I would like a source not someone just saying something.
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fatigue is a significant punishment, having your vision forced off the survivor is huge, most survivors are just too lazy to utilize it
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For those trying to use "kIlLeR mAiN bTw" against @UltraBanana in an argument please notice that if you quickly skim through his previous posts you can find some from 1 month ago stating he prefers to play killer...
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