Nurse got nerfed on 7 DIFFERENT ASPECTS
1. Basekit chase power NERFED
2. Basekit map pressure/travel NERFED + PUNISHING
3. Basekit finding survivors NERDED + PUNISHING
4. Reappearance on survivors side chase power NERF
5. Dedicated servers (not even counting the bugs. that's something every killer hurts but so far it's hurting nurse the most with my experience)
6. Addons nerfed and replaced with really bad ones (necessary and actually the only thing the community wanted)
7. Fun factor. Yes, it's not fun to play m2 with a power bar.
Is there any other way to butcher nurse more? Any other "minor" changes we can add to her? Any "slight" changes she needs so everyone can be "happy"?
It's really insane how the devs use the words "slighty" and "minor" in terms of her basekit change. This isn't minor. This is big.
And STILL, absolute SILENCE from the side of BHVR. Majority wants the BASEKIT CHANGE REVERTED! It's already insane how the devs touch exactly the stuff noone wanted, at least show us that you care about our opinion and that you listen to us and finally give a statement and revert it back..
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I'm a killer main and I want her nerfed into the ground. Too many bad killers carried by her being OP, same with spirit.
Looking forward to some spirit nerfs and then maybe survivor will be worth playing again without having to face the ~big three~ like 80% of my games.
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Riiiiiiight, "KiLlEr MaIn bTw"
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Do us all a favour and stop being a dirty liar, no killer actively calls for the nerf of characters or complains there isn't enough variety when playing as "SURVIVOR"
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I just want lower Tier killers to be buffed.
As for Nurse changes, i've tried to tell people my reasoning till i'm blue in the face. Just play the game and try to have fun. If you don't then leave it for a while.
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How can you tell something like that? We all love dbd and we all want to continue playing and enjoy it. And as someone who really wants to continue playing DbD I actually want to raise my voice to change something. Just "leave it for a while" won't make the situation better out of the sudden. Those who just leave instead of giving constant feedbacks are the reason why things aren't getting changed. But tbf, we gave bhvr a lot of feedback and they hardly listen, so understand if that's frustating for others
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Lucky number seven!
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Mostly cause every time I see you, you are being Rude AF.
Secondly cause the forums ALREADY exploded over this.
You want them to see it? Put it in PTB feedback. They Actively look there. Putting it here just starts drama.
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lol suck it nurse
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She used to be op, but what they did, is really a bit 2 much. I am not saying that she is now weak, but she plays clumsy as hell.
A slight change would have been enough.. but not this.
Best way to nerf her in my opinon:
- Get rid of Megablink Addons
- Lunge fix
- Reduce blink range by 1-2 Meter
That should already balance her. And she would be still fun to play.
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They should've started with just changing the add-ons first to see if that was enough. If not, then yeah, reducing the blink range a bit would've been better than adding a completely new, not-fun mechanic. It's like they forgot that a killer should be fun to play as.
Part of me wonders if they didn't change the base kit just 'cause they couldn't think of more add-ons to create organically.
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Good.
Everyone, literally EVERY SINGLE SOUL who plays this game regularly: "Nurse is the strongest killer in the game, in a tier of her own since she released."
Also, "surprised pikachu meme" when she gets nerfed. Like, come the hell on. This has been coming for a long time.
Don't try to speak for everyone. Hexy rants about Billy all the time. Zubatlel and Scott Jund do the same for Spirit. Takes 2 seconds to figure out if they're killer mains or not if you're clueless about who they are.
I'm a killer main and I think the meta is stale for both sides. Nurse and Spirit should be nerfed and other killers should be brought up to between Hillbilly and Freddy levels. Survivor "get out of jail for free" perks should be nerfed to the ground and other perks should be buffed to take their place. The same should be done with perks deemed "mandatory" for killers (Ruin, Enduring+Spirit Fury, etc).
But not every thing can happen at once. Balance is a process and I'll take Nurse nerfs+insta-heal reworks in the meantime.
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At red ranks I play against nurse, spirit, billy the overwhelming majority of the time as survivor. Throw in some gen slowdown freddy, and some huntress for flavor here and there and that's about it.
I purposely don't play those killers a lot because I find them so easy, powerful, and spammed at red ranks and I like to play off-meta characters. Nerfs to them so we might see some variety sounds great to me, not like I am playing them.
Nurse especially needed the nerfs because she was just so powerful, boring to play, and boring to play against. Does she see you? Yes? Ok, you are dead if she is competent.
Spirit is super lame to play against but at least playing her is entertaining. Billy just needs some add-on nerfs, and freddy idk what they should do but he's dumb to play against and takes little skill to do well with.
I play killer like 80% of the time btw.
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There’s a reason you Vs the big 3 at high ranks a lot, it’s because they’re the only ones who can perform at those levels.
Asking for more nerfs to the other two isn’t productive and will be detrimental to this game.
We need to look at buffing the other killers, not nerfing the only good ones.
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He said "Majority want the basekit change reverted" ... Fake news.
These forums are infested with bias killer mains and your outnumbered bias survivor mains. The unbiased posters are very rare in here, and most people who tend to be unbiased don't even bother making comments in forums. This is why there is so much Killer vs survivor arguments with very little factual information in here.
Example, this post.
If anything it seems this way as Nurse changes brought a influx of angry Nurse reliant gamers into the forums. That is more likely, and an in-game poll would more than likely prove a majority don't care.
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It's OK, apparently the devs share in your survivor-main mentality and believe survivors should be the power role. The nurse was the only character where skill and practice rewarded you for playing against good survivors, where you actually stood the slightest chance at winning, some times down to 1 gen against that 4 man SWF team that had toolboxes. Sometimes they squeezed one or even two out the gates, but it was one hell of a game and even the nurse felt it was a good game. I'll certainly miss those games.
Don't pretend to be a killer main, the nurse didn't deserve this.
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Yet nurse is really the only viabable counter for rank 1 swf, why hasn't swf been nerf since the game is literally this before the nurse nerf: Swf=Nurse>Killers>solos
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This is just silly IMO. Nurse is not a bad killer crutch, it takes a lot of time and skill too master her, so if you are dying too her the killer is probably not bad.
And Spirit and Nurse never need/needed base changes, only addon changes. Base Spirit and Nurse was strong but fun too fights, new Nurse is clunky and unfun, and I hope the base changes don't hit lives because it would kill one of the only red rank viable killers in the game.
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I made a poll and around 50% hate her new basekit.
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I'm glad someone other than me looks at the big picture here.
Though I agree, the lower tier Killers need help.
And lastly, no need to be so rude. Before you come at me for "Faking" being a Killer next, I can give you hours of footage of me playing Killer, mostly Legion. Stop trying to start drama.
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I disagree, you can do well with any killer at red ranks. 5 gens to kill 1 survivor, and then NOED down 1 more, and that's a draw. Any killer can do that.
If you want constant 4k's you will definitely need to do some camping and tunneling though; perhaps a ton with the weaker killers.
At this point they need to look into the map design more than buffing every other killer. Some maps are incredibly biased for survivor (haddo, blood lodge, etc) and some are very biased for killers (hawkin's lab with nearly every pallet being useless). Just sorting out the pallet situations would solve so many M1 killer problems without needing to rework like 8 of them.
And I've been a killer main for YEARS, and never touch nurse, and I'm glad she is dead. Hopefully as dead as the OP makes it sound. I played her when I was a baby killer.
It's like one of the games long standing issues finally being solved. Think I am going to cry if they ever get rid of infinite windows? No idea why those are still around, but hey 3 years in and they are still on almost every map.
I also never understood the whole "but she is the only one that counters SWF!" argument either. Any killer can slap on a mori or some OP add-ons and it's a game again. The SWF is probably gonna have full builds and instaheals and BNPs and all that, so may as well use your tools as well.
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Just because he/she disagrees with you and actually wants a nerf to Nurse and Spirit doesn't mean he/she has to be a survivor main pretending to be a killer main. I agree with him/her, and I'm a killer main myself. I do think these Nurse nerfs are good and I also think that Spirit will need some tweaks as well. Her counterplay needs to be more skill based and not as much luck based.
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THIS!!! Everyone who played just once against those reeeeeallly sweaty swf groups with multiple thousands of hours and legacy can relate to that. You as Nurse are sweating your ass off, doing one perfect blink after another and any misjudged blink puts more pressure on you because you know these few seconds will make the difference at the end with adrenaline. And at end, you barely manage to kill 2 or even more with 0 gens left just because that optimal swf team was a bit to altruistic and you could capatilize on that. And the only thing in your mind is "freaking hell, thank God you exist nurse..." Because you know you would have lost with any other killer no matter how skilled you would have been with it. And the next thing you do is taking a short break by playing survivor for a few rounds lol.
All the people who say nurse is still fine never played against some really strong teams.
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Instead of all the nerfs why can't we buff everyone else so there is more variety (tho the addons did need changed but that's prolly it)
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So being good with nurse and spirit = I am a bad killer? Interesting...
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Bud, stop being ridiculous. Did you even read what I posted? I saw your poll and you voted 4 times in it. Now let's take into account what I said before, and other major factors..
I could of voted too, but I don't care enough to vote.. At this point it just seems you guys are making up data to try and skew the line towards your favor, but it's clearly not working, and the Devs are ignoring it for good reason.
I'm sorry your favorite killer is being changed, but everyone who plays this game has had to endure some change they didn't like. At the end of the day the Devs aren't out here to kill their own game. Clearly there was enough data on their end, and a majority of people complaining to have her looked into.
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Malarchy. How are you supposed to pip if you are camping and relying on NOED??? I'm talking about rank 1....red rank survivors that know how to abuse every god loop! You aren't hooking most of them 3 times each, which is REQUIRED to pip at red rank. So you didn't learn nurse, got intimidated by the time needed to learn her and gloating at the loss of those that did. I got it.
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You can only vote 1 time. Understand how a poll works before talking to me with your nonsense.
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Legion nerf when I never used the exploits.
That's my change that upset me. Guess what i do now? Play Legion.
That's really the end of it. Devs can see alot more data than us. They decided BASED ON THERE DATA and how they want to take the game. The end.
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then enjoy having no killers at red ranks, ever spirit is balanced because SHE DOES NOT RELY ON THE SURVIVOR TO MAKE MISTAKES TO GET DOWNS just like old nurse. OMEGA BLINK WAS A PROBLEM not base kit
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Not saying that, I am just saying that they are crutch characters. Nothing wrong with using crutches, as long as you can actually get to the same rank without them.
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We see eye to eye. I tried to relax today playing demo and I got two sweaty SWF back to back before switching back to nurse...I finally got the 1st one down after he looped me hard, 2 gens already done (through RUIN BTW). On BBQ I saw all 3 on separate gens! By the time I got the next one down I was down to 1 gen left. 4 gens done and only 2 hooks! I could not have played any better BTW! I was limited by the power of the killer and the decency of the survivors looping and they were genrushing. I then tried to secure a final kill after the last gen was done and because they were SWF they unhooked the guy, and they all body blocked and escaped through the gates. They all said gg. This is how the game is supposed to be played.
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All of our previous interactions seem to favor survivor side. I assume your one of those "killer mains" who does a few games and bumps back over to survivor after your mid rank game was hard and your dailies are done
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Why do people make threads like these when there's a dedicated feedback area? Do they just like the drama?
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yes
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You're missing the vital point. A poll in these forums especially with the numbers that participated is pointless. You claimed a majority in your post, but it's really more around 50/50 even in these forums. Imagine if they did such a poll in-game? What kind of numbers would we see?
If the majority actually wanted the base kit change reverted than who am I to judge? They can do w/e they want with their game. I just hope that it stays at a good point where I can still enjoy it, and If that changes than I will move on.
You have a clear example here in your post. @UlvenDagoth
He is still playing the killer he loves after the nerfs.
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First off, you are making a big mistake in thinking rank = skill. Or that rank matters at all, or especially that red ranks mean the players are skilled. I'd say red ranks just means you are competent at the game. And before you accuse me of not "being skilled" I have already posted a screenshot of me being at rank 1 as killer on this forum. And I play there as survivor as well.
I am just saying what is the bare minimum you need to do to get a "draw" aka 2 kills, against red rank survivors. And that's 1 kill and NOED down 1 more, super easy and can be done with literally any killer. That's the criteria to stay at red ranks, and any killer can do it. Meet that or exceed it almost every game? Rank 1 here you come. I can and do 4k regularly with m1 killers at rank 1. You think I wouldn't ruin some face if I put the crutches on and played nurse? Lol.
If you can't stay at red ranks without having to play like ruin / pop / omegablink nurse I have no sympathy for you.
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This guy gets it.
And I love all these nurse mains using basekit nurse and wondering why it is a challenge beating some of the sweatiest, best teams in the game. If they didn't bring items then you, as a competent nurse main (maybe not all the nurse players in this thread) should win that game no matter what you use. Are they bringing items? Then you have so many addons/offerings at your disposal. But hey, let's continue to lie to ourselves that nurse basekit was fine because the best of the best survivors could beat you when you weren't using everything you had at your disposal.
Or, you can learn to adapt to the new situation, the same advice you loved to give to survivors.
"survivors just want to loop and nothing else!"
"just use stealth!"
"just break line of sight!"
"survivors just haven't learned how to beat nurse"
The same people saying these useless things that don’t truly work against good nurses are the ones crying here, and it's absolutely beautiful.
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Exactly thats what I am talking about and feel about.
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Is it really balanced? If Spirit is a killer that doesn't rely on survivors making mistakes, the converse is true. Spirit is a killer where survivors have to rely on the Spirit making a mistake, or they won't survive.
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"4. Reappearance on survivors side chase power NERF"
You mean "Being able to bodyblock and hit survivors when you haven't even appeared to them yet? Yeah, that bullshit needed to be fixed.
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Spirit OP? I am sayin this to you as a survivor main. Git gud. Spirit has her counterplay and survivors need to git gud. Nurse basekit is fine.
I haven't encountered a single nurse on the ptb that could pose a threat. Maybe there are god nurses out there, props to those, but I sincerely doubt you would be able to keep up with us. This nerf is garbage.
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The other day I played Nurse for a daily after 2 years of not playing her. I was against a competent swf and with an unoptimal build, and after a couple minutes to readjust my playstyle I destroyed them in a few minutes by just using a bit of slugging. That's how powerful current Nurse is.
The change was perfectly justifyable, and if you think otherwise even though everyone considered Nurse being in her own tier way above anyone else, it tells me you don't actually want balance.
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that is why you can get hooked 3 TIMES as survivor and there is 4 OF YOU. there is a reason why you SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO 1V1 KILLERS. the point of the game is to ESCAPE before the killer has had enough time to hook you all 3 times/kill you all. IT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE GAME. the killer should be THE POWER ROLE. the points as survivor is to extend chases long enough so that over the course of the game you can waste enough of the killers time to let 5 gens get done over the course of everyone doing chases/gens. so if the power role was survivors then why is there 4 survivors and 1 killer? answer me this then I will say that spirit deserves a nerf
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It's kinda like there are more killers that take skill (with the exception of some addons) while most play nurse and spirit for an easy way out. Nurse currently is still incredibly strong don't quite know why you gotta mock someone for making a fair point.
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Devs don’t care tbh, whatever survivors want... survivors get.
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The devs don't understand Nurse. That much is obvious.
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You act like those swf groups are common, which they aren't. Balancing the game around them is a stupid idea.
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Noone reads the feedback area. General discussion however brings many opinions into the light for the devs.
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Make a better poll then instead of complaining. I'm limited to the forum polls, I can't implement a poll ingame and the devs will never do it either.
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This would be the correct way to fix things.. instead of nerfing the good killers.. we buff the bad ones. Creates diversity and variation in all ranks.
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