Legion mains, what do you want as a buff for them?

Legion needs some love and soon. Hopefully DEV’s will listen to the community and hear us out !

I don't care, just make him fun to play and make him a threat.

Revert all the nerfs and just keep the current deep wound timer (doesn't go down while in terror radious)

Just give me a good reason to use my power. I often perform better if I don't use feral frenzy, and if I do use, I do it sparingly.

My main problem with legion is that their power is just useless after the first hit. I don't know how they can change this since the old version was also terrible. It also doesn't help that their addons basically does nothing useful.

Just completely remove his power and start again, he is a joke.

actually it stops when you are inside the TR or while mending. So the only information you can get is that someone is outside of your TR and still running.

@TheRockstarKnight just an opinion to the "tunneling" point. Why is it so common to call it tunneling when talking about Legion? Tunneling is when you hook the same survivor multiple times to get him out of the game, instead of going for obvious other targets. I wouldn't even call it tunneling when you deny the safe unhook to a pretty unsafe unhooking action. When a survivor offers a hit to protect and you dont take it to go for the unhooked one, then it is tunneling. But DEFINITELY it is no tunneling if you try to down someone during a chase. Also not if you need more than 2 hits. The "problem" was, that Sloppy/Bloodhound was meta to Legion and that made it hard to escape the killer. But that is true for EVERY killer that spends half of his perks for this effect and therefore should be strong. That is not a Legion / Frenzy problem. And shouldn't be called tunneling.

My opinion also is, that the only change needed was the moonwalking abuse. But making the Bleed Out TR related fixed that issue. Everything else was fine, just nobody wanted to learn the counter.

If we stay with the new version of Legion, I would also suggest a Power rework. If not, at least the following changes might help:

• put bleed out survivors into the same state like Madness 3, so they need to mend before they can do anything else. Almost everyone knows that the first Frenzy hit will make Legion run away from you, so many survivors just run to the closest gen, knowing Legion chases someone else and being save as long as inside the TR. Which is kinda stoopid
• When hitting bleeding survivors in Frenzy, there should be any effect applied by default. It is simply unfair that Legion is the only killer that gets punished for using his power. I have seen bleeding survivors body block healthy survivors to cancel the power, without taking any negative effect for that. That should not be the case.
• There are a lot of easy loops that can be abused by running it 3 times to run out of Frenzy. Even the killer shack offers this possibility. If Frenzy does not even help to get easier first hits and just is about the "information", it is really the most useless power of all. increase the vaulting speed again.
• I loved the slashing of old Legion but also understand the change to break the power after a miss. But I would suggest to just reduce the power gauge for each hit. Like 10% after a click and 25% after a lunge. Or something like that. Of course adjustable but don't forget that on average the "running" still will take like 60-80% of the power.
• Fun Fact: talking about "running", a trapper with 3 stacks of Play With Your Food walks faster than Legion is running in Feral Frenzy.

sure ^^

i wouldnt mind that. its generally good to have one threat with all ideas instead of thousands with one idea shattered around the forums. it makes it easier to see all of them.

Feral frenzy should be able to down someone ... lets say 3 hits of FF to down a survivor.

At the moment, i enter FF and red ranks just sit there and taunt me cause they just dont give a **** about my ability. They basically laughing at me.

I don't think Legion's cooldown is a big issue. Rather it is the duration that is the problem. The entire theory behind Legion is that they are supposed to hit one survivor and then switch targets. Then when all the survivors are mending/healing there is less gen pressure and then Legion can start hanging people. That is how it is supposed to work at least. The problem is games just don't work that way. There are a number of reasons why.

Switching targets is very often a bad strategy. You waste all the time you spent chasing the first target w/o hooking or slugging only to start a new chase? How does that realistically help? You still have survivors working on gens the whole time and the first survivor isn't out of commission for very long. But there are several ways to make the theory behind Legion work.

Extend the frenzy duration. I'm not talking by a little either. Increase the base duration by 25%. Then when Legion successfully hits a survivor the meter doesn't just fill back up, it overfills by 33%. The reason for this is so Legion can actually have time to both find and hit a second survivor. Then each time Legion successfully hits a survivor the duration overcharges by another 33%. But what is to stop Legion from just finding and hitting all the survivors? Their ability already has survivor counter play built in. If one survivor successfully dodges a single attack or stuns Legion with a pallet, the frenzy is over. So this really wouldn't be overpowered.

The second thing I want to see for Legion is for their to be some effect when hitting a survivor with deep wounds while in frenzy. It makes absolutely no logical sense for there to be zero effect when a survivor is stabbed. What I propose is for there to be a new effect introduced in the game. For now let's call it "nerve damage". A survivor with nerve damage has 30% reduced speed for all actions (including mending) until fully healed or placed on a hook. This would give Legion a choice and a reason to ignore a survivor.

That will be NURSE tier. Oh god...

Plz buff my stabby friends

I also don't want the dcing epidemic again. The mindless stabbing was just stupid and there wasn't really much survivors could do.

Simple Solution IMO.

1. Remove his cooldown or make it incredibly shorter. It's completely pointless now for him to have to wait to reuse feral frenzy so often when he can't down people with it. (change Frank's Mixtape because it's trash as is and is the only reason the long cooldown makes sense)
2. Massively pump up his Feral Frenzy movement speed and reinstate the old vault speeds. Why should they be so slow if they can't down anyone. That's illogical when you have people like Spirit and Billy in the game who are both fast and lethal.

With both of these changes he gains a ton of map pressure and knowledge. They'd still be an m1 killer but they'd be able to harass people more often. They'd feel like they're everywhere. They'd feel like a legion.

@UlvenDagoth@StarMoral Thoughts?